FBI, Working With Banks, Chose Not To Inform Occupy Leadership Of Assassination Plot On Its Leaders
from the gee,-thanks dept
Whatever you thought of the so-called "Occupy" movement of the past year or so, it seems clear that there has been at least a bit of overreaction to them. I mean, treating these protests, which have, by and large, been peaceful, as terrorist groups is just silly. But, as you may have seen over the past few days, that's exactly what the FBI did (as uncovered by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF)), and they did it in a coordinated manner with both Homeland Security and privately held banking corporations. This certainly isn't the first time government organizations have allowed for the appearance of impropriety this way, but just as when DHS held a press conference from Disney's HQ, there's a certain flaunting feeling when the coordination with private companies against the public is so blatant.All that being said, you'd at least expect the FBI, no matter what level of corporate bowing they wish to engage in, to at least keep American citizens apprised of threats against their life. Unfortunately, it would appear the FBI disagrees when the citizens in question are Occupy leadership, as they allowed a plot to murder Occupy leadership in Texas with suppressed sniper rifles go untold until a rights group dug it up.
Last week, Digital Journal reported that the documents obtained by PCJF detailed how the FBI cooperated with the Department of Homeland Security, US military and private corporations to monitor and investigate Occupy Wall Street protesters as "domestic terrorists" and "criminals." The documents prove that federal agencies are "functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and corporate America," PCJF said.
Thorough analyses of the documents has now revealed a heavily redacted file that clearly mentions a plan to use snipers to assassinate Occupy protesters. The names of the groups or individuals involved in the murderous plot have been redacted, so it is impossible to identify them at this time. What is known is that the FBI never alerted any of the potential victims of the danger to their lives.We're talking heavily redacted text here, which strips out a bunch of details, but here's the text that is available.
An identified [redacted] of October planned to engage in sniper attacks against protesters in Houston, Texas, if deemed necessary. An identified [redacted] had received intelligence that indicated the protesters in New York and Seattle planned similar protests in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin, Texas. [Redacted] planned to gather intelligence against the leaders of the protest groups and obtain photographs then formulate a plan to kill the leadership via suppressed sniper rifles.What's plain as day is that some group somewhere was plotting to murder OWS leadership in Texas. It's also clear that the FBI never bothered to inform the targets of the threats against their lives. This stands in apparent contrast to how closely they worked and coordinated with private banks to handle the OWS protests as a whole. And, remember, this is the same FBI who has put tremendous effort over the past few years into breaking up its own terrorist plots. You'd think that when it had a chance to go after actual plots to assassinate leaders of a political movement, they might, you know, actually do something and then trumpet the success in stopping a real plot. Apparently not.
So the lesson here is simple. If you're a private bank, the FBI will help you demonize non-violent protesters as "terrorists," but if you're a protester, you don't get to know that you might have an infrared dot dancing on the back of your head -- or have the FBI take it as serious as one of its own made up terrorist plots.
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The Clear Lesson:
If you are in the illegal drug business, the HSBC scandal teaches us that the best way to maximize profit is not to sell product but to finance those who do.
Get caught selling a couple hundred dollars worth of crack - go to jail (hard time) for 20+ years.
Get caught laundering hundreds of millions of dollars of drug money, suffer a partial deferment of your bonuses. Still make millions in profits.
This is the difference between a bank and a person.
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--- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
It was true then, and it's even more true now.
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Definition of a Terrorist
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Also, under your definition, any CONGRESSMAN proposing changes to current law, especially radical changes, would qualify as a terrorist because they're also "opposing the existing order."
The problem here is that the "existing order", at least in this country, allows for opposing said order (no matter how many idiots believe otherwise), so long as noone is endanger.
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Ummm, that would be the old Pre-9/11 Constitution you are referring to, yes?
Perhaps you missed the article.
The new Corporate Constitution, as interpreted by the USG Post-9/11, does not actually allow for peaceful protests by citizens, unless the citizens in question are military and police personnel wearing protestor garb and the protest itself is specifically performed for the purpose of creating a news story about the violence and unruliness of protestors.
Welcome to Amerika.
Please follow the yellow rubber line.
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Sickening...
No, I don't care that it was TECHNICALLY legal, you can NOT crash the economies of 2 continents without doing SOMETHING illegal.
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There were many aspects, perpetrated by many players, which were and still are definitely outside the bounds of what is considered legal. They were not prosecuted because it would be too difficult, too big to fail, cost too much, the list of excuses goes on.
Your attempt to change the facts is rather silly.
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I reckon the chances have gotten much better having read this story.
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Anyone been to the movies lately?
And now I come here and see this.
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Leadership?
> somewhere was plotting to murder OWS
> leadership in Texas.
All during the height of the Occupy protests, one thing remained consistent across the country-- the protesters insisted it was an organic movement with no structure and no leadership.
Maybe the reason the FBI didn't inform the leadership about a plot against them is that there was no leadership to infomrm?
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After all, the assassination contracts appear to have been taken out by the banks themselves, and thus the assassins were already paid for.
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Offer protection to American citizens is not in the police job description?
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> in the police job description?
Actually, no it's not. Police officers swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not the public.
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"On my honor,
I will never betray my badge,
my integrity, my character,
or the public trust.
I will always have
the courage to hold myself
and others accountable for our actions.
I will always uphold the constitution
my community and the agency I serve."
http://www.theiacp.org/PoliceServices/ProfessionalAssistance/Ethics/WhatistheLawEnforceme ntOathofHonor/tabid/150/Default.aspx
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First, that's a boilerplate oath that departments are free to use, but most departments develop their own. For example, that's not the LAPD's oath.
Second and more important, that's not the oath a federal law enforcement officer swears, and since we're talking about the FBI, that's what's really relevant. Here is the federal oath of office:
I, [name], do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
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And we all know how that ended up...
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Yeah, Cosette got laid and Valjean was forgiven by the ghost of a dead prostitute.
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Really?
Some are blind, I'll admit ... but if some nut case wants to kill you, doubtful it's over nothing.
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yes, some are truly blind, welcome to that group.
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Had nothing to do with interfering in the business of other sovereign nations. Nothing at all.
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Guess the word!!!
"An identified [undercover agent] of October planned to engage in sniper attacks against protesters in Houston, Texas, if deemed necessary. An identified [undercover agent] had received intelligence that indicated the protesters in New York and Seattle planned similar protests in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin, Texas. [Agents] planned to gather intelligence against the leaders of the protest groups and obtain photographs then formulate a plan to kill the leadership via suppressed sniper rifles."
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When people that are dangerous are ignored, it seems the FBI can't be bothered to investigate the people that need it. Instead, their entire focus is on those looking to change the social order.
They'll never learn from their own short-sighted view of the world. As they've stated, "They want to throw people in jail"
That's far different from actually trying to do a good job of protecting the public.
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> of occupy protestors in NYC. They wouldn't
> allow the NYPD to make arrests at the stock
> exchange.
The Park Service only has jurisdiction on the actual NYSE property, and then only to protect it as a national landmark.
Any violation of the law that occurs on the public streets and sidewalks around the building is NYPD jurisdiction and the Park Service has no say in it. And even on the NYSE grounds, if a violation of state law occurs there, it's NYPD jurisdiction to investigate and arrest.
It would be just like if one staffer murdered another in the White House. Neither the Secret Service nor the FBI would have jurisdiction to investigate that crime. It would be a matter for the homicide cops in the DC Metro Police.
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Would that be NYPD, or state patrol/state bureau of investigation?
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> bureau of investigation?
If it's in the city of New York, NYPD.
That's not to say a state trooper couldn't make an arrest for a crime in NYC, but NYPD has primary jurisdiction within the city limits.
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Wtf?
Apparently you haven't heard about the last Portland Oregon's OWS "peaceful protest", that imported their own supply of vandals?.
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Then maybe the WTF will become OMG.
:)
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I don't find it silly at all. As governments become increasingly tyrannical/authoritarian (and how anyone paying the least amount of attention can argue ours isn't moving increasingly in that direction) any sort of civil disobedience or challenge to authority will be deemed as terrorism and/or traitorous (thousands of years of history have shown this to be so, even in the most neutered of history textbooks).
As examples like this become more and more commonplace (almost at an exponential rate at this point), all it does is highlights how out of control the government and the major corporations are becoming. and there is nothing silly about that.
I've argued for close to a decade now that the only significant difference I see when I compare the US today with the American Colonies of the 1750s, is that the people pulling the strings today control massive corporate conglomerates instead of being powerful lorded landholders. Of course, that also means that it'll very likely be a couple more decades before tensions mount to the breaking point and the majority of people can still live with their heads in the sand.
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what part of jihad do you also have trouble with, (btw it DOES NOT mean Holy War).
it means to struggle.
Jihad =
"fighting against those who fight against us."
just like masnick does against those he sees as the enemy, like the LAW's of your country, copyright, copyright holders (including himself), patents, inventors, companies, industries, they are all against Masnick.. (in his mind)..
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Besides, what has Muslim jihad got to do with the Occupy movement?
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I am quite sure, that the MOST common use for that term is NOT about any inner spiritual struggle. That might have been it original intension but the COMMON use of that terms most certainly means a lot different than that..
everyone by now knows what the common use for the term Jihad means..
"common use" is not the term you were looking for I am sure, possibly historical use, or original intended use, but today, it's common use, is what we have TODAY..
like the common use of the word "gay" is not the same as the common use of the word gay today, as it was 40 or 50 years ago.
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Mostly they are disorganized and while individually dangerous, as a whole they do not threaten the world as a whole,
Sometimes A truly evil individual, or group comes along, capable of manipulating significant numbers of these fanatic nuts.
(in the US, westbrough church, in Afganistan, the taliban)
All large enough Communities of moderate believers have fanatics in their midst. These communities need to care for their vulnerable members. and perhaps watch out for and deal with those in their midst, willing to twist, distort religion for gain.
Personally I Contend that the US government are better at containing/controlling those who would manipulate the fanatics in the US. than the relevent religious community in the US.
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Islam in those parts is like Christianity in the middle ages, dangerous.
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> the destruction of the West. They simply
> want to practice their faith in peace as is
> their right.
But even those Muslims are pretty intolerant of anyone else exercising *their* rights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg
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Common use by whom, Muslims or Rush Limbaugh? Where are you getting your information about what this Arabic word means?
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Then you are certain of your utter ignorance. Congratulations.
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do you read the bible as a literal work ?
or do you read the bible for it's common use idea's, or not at all.
most people (except a large number of americans) do not consider the bible a literal truth, if it were and you broke a commandment you would be killed (by God), that does not seem to happen, but it's common use (don't kill people for example) is still a viable concept..
and no I do not intent to cook my baby in it's mothers milk either, which is a literal biblical construct..
nor do I think eating fish is an abomination, or that slavery is ok.. or it is ok to kill a slave owner and do a runner.. (moses)..
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I understand it. But outside of the standard percentage of extremist crazies that every society has, this is not the mindset at all.
Then the correct course of action is clear: we should stop fighting against them so they'll stop fighting against us.
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The US Govt is fight against the people (see above).
Search DOJ on TechDirt to get an eye full of "The US Govt is fight against the people."
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Please take them quickly before you start to drool on your keypad.
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FLOOD LOWER MANHATTEN,, and you do not consider that an act of terror ??
" Juravich and others have however said that conflict can be important in attracting attention, with much to be gained if occupiers are seen as victims of the violence, providing occupiers keep their own aggression strictly within limits." !!!!!!
"In the words of one occupier, it can help them gain media coverage if they "make things a little sexy and badass""
" Not all occupiers have upheld the commitment to nonviolence, with aggressive tactics being used in Spain from as early as 15 June, and with some journalists saying the New York branch of the movement did initially accept protestors who had not signed up to nonviolence."
"By November 2011, media sources began to report an increase in violence, with allegations of sexual assault and incidents of violence from occupiers against the police, including one officer allegedly stabbed with scissors."
"In late January 2012, the movement's commitment to nonviolence was questioned after clashes with the police that saw about 400 arrests in the U.S. city of Oakland."
""It was organized by a very militant anarchist segment of the movement;"
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We normally just call them cops in drag.
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If I were American I'd be really scared now.
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Yes, If I were American I would be really scared now too.
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This group, and their actions have instilled terror in your, they have created terror where it did not exist before.. the very definition of a terror group is a group that instils terror when acting as a group.
it was not the Government instilling the terror, it is the protesters who resort to violence and other terror tactics that have resulted in your feelings of terror.
the Government would be out of control, if they allowed
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this AC is a good example of a regular American. Blind to the truth, scared of everything that is new and different from the established system. The bright side is that there are people in the Us that actually want change. Some of them are in those protests.
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And those students in Cali ... they were actually sitting right there on the sidewalk. That's a macing!
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I call it research and development into temporary living apparatus.
About your other allegations, well, go back to the 80's and see if people haven't behaved themselves lately.
Even the police had show some restraint, although less than the occupiers, if we get all the reports of blue on OWS and OWS on blue, the blue score is probably higher there.
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Another Beradine Dorn- Bill Ayers couple. (Friends of Barack)
Rich, Spoiled and totally demented.
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If the news is true then I will stick to the infiltration tactics. It is fairly obvious that there are people infiltrated in those movements with the intent of discrediting the thing as a whole. GOVERNMENT SPONSORED.
Always take news with a grain of salt. Revert back to Kim Dotcom story where the news came as if he had shoot the police, resisted arrest and so for, all of the claims proven false after the real facts started coming to light.
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It's ironic how when protests erupted in middle eastern countries such as Egypt, Obama got on stage and praised the people for acting in a democratic fashion, yet now we learn how the FBI, in collusion with banks, was plotting to kill OWS "leaders" with snipers. That should tell you something.
I think I understand why such a thing was leaked. They're intentionally releasing this info in order to try to dissuade people from protesting in the future by stirring up fear of being killed by the government. In other words, it's an indirect threat. You see, in order to be afraid of their guns, you have to be afraid of death. No matter how big and powerful these people like to imagine themselves to be, they're still only flesh and blood and once their time comes, all their accumulated wealth and delusion of power will be gone in an instant. All that will be left is their soul as they stand before God.
Don't fear the government nor any other worldly power.
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> infiltration tactics.
Of course. Someone always trots this nonsense out whenever liberal groups are caught behaving badly. The meme goes something like this:
Conservatives caught being racist/behaving badly = proof that conservatives are bad, racist people.
Liberals caught being racist/behaving badly = proof that conservatives have infiltrated the liberal group in order to discredit them, because we all know that liberals are pure as the driven snow and they would never do or say anything negative like that.
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I thought this was about chemical weapons; when did racism enter the discussion?
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That's what the / symbol is for. It's generally understood among people with even a basic grade school-level education to be shorthand for the word 'or'.
But you're right to call me on it. I really shouldn't assume even a rudimentary level of intelligence among many of the commenters here. I will endeavor to be more puerile for you folks in the future.
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http://filmmakeriq.com/2011/10/jon-stewarts-note-to-occupy-wall-street-protester-shitting-on -a-police-car/
Question Authority!! or shit on them...
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federal burro
See twenty years of my work in the FIRST 3 alt links below for an insight into the political & societal corruption of USA by murderous bullies of fbi/cia:
http://austin.indymedia.org/article/2013/10/15/primer-modern-political-science-usa
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2013/10/425393.shtml?discuss
http://barcelona.indymedia.org/newswire/display/474475/index.php
Me:
http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/Resources/nam_photo.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DqgGlJ4sr5s/TrxA4-9GlaI/AAAAAAAAGFc/ZbS_mCNAdWo/s1600/PB100002.JPG
federal burro:
http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/436163-geral-sosbee/1929821-public-notice-attributed-to-and-owned- by-the-fbi
forced suicide by torture is murder:
http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v194/__show_article/_a000194-000463.htm
The Age of Madness:
http://vancouver.mediacoop.ca/story/age-madness-critical-review-fbicia-operations/9375
fbi operative says:"kill yourself, geral sosbee":
http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/hatemailpartsix.html
Violence and the nation that engenders and feeds on same.:
http://sosbeevfbi.ning.com/profiles/blogs/see-my-reports-on-violence-as-a-virus
http://www.indy media.org.nz/submissions/630
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