Just How Dumb Is It For CBS To Block CNET From Giving Dish An Award?
from the count-the-ways dept
As you may or may not recall, last year, pretty much all the TV networks sued Dish Networks over a new feature it had launched, PrimeTime Any Time (PTAT), with its Autohopper technology on its DVRs. PTAT is where it would automatically record all the major networks' prime time programming and hold onto it for a bit. Autohopper would then automatically skip over the commercials. It's important to recognize that these features, on their own, have been considered legal. VCRs had auto commercial skip ages ago and DVR technology (time shifting) has been called fair use plenty of times. Given that, the lawsuits aren't going well so far.But, in a moment of pure stupidity, some very short-sighted suits at CBS made a really silly decision. As you may or may not have heard, CES -- the massive consumer electronics show -- has been going on all this week in Las Vegas. I just got back from there myself. At the show, Dish announced another merging of some of its products, adding its Slingbox (who they bought years back) to the same basic setup. Slingbox, of course, is for "place shifting" what the DVR is for "time shifting." You hook it up to your TV and it lets you access what's playing on your TV via the internet (so, via your computer, phone or tablet). It's hardly surprising that this is where Dish was heading.
And... the early reviews and buzz were definitely strong. For example, CNET wrote a glowing review in which executive editor David Carnoy suggested it may be the best DVR out there these days. The CNET crew liked the thing so much that they nominated it for their "Best of CES" award.
Editors' note: The Dish Hopper with Sling was removed from consideration for the Best of CES 2013 awards due to active litigation involving our parent company CBS Corp. We will no longer be reviewing products manufactured by companies with which we are in litigation with respect to such product.This is monumentally stupid, for a variety of reasons. Let's see how many we can come up with.
- Hello Streisand Effect. There were approximately one gazillion articles this week about products coming out of CES, and the place was wall to wall with journalists -- probably half of whom were coming up with their own "best of" lists. Most people were completely saturated with CES stories and would barely glance at such a story. Except... now, tons of people are suddenly finding out about this awesome Dish DVR, the Hopper with Slingbox. In fact, they're hearing that the damn thing is so good that CBS is trying to block any news of it from getting out. Talking about increasing the awareness... I have no clue whatsoever what product CNET -- or any other publication -- awarded "best of CES" to. But I sure as hell am well aware of Dish's new DVR.
- Goodbye to the wall that separates the suits from the journalists at CBS/CNET. CBS execs have just confirmed that they don't want their journalists and reviewers to cover things based on the merits, but rather on what it means for their corporate masters.
- Hello slippery slope. Is it really that hard to see where this heads next? Is CNET still allowed to report on the lawsuit if CBS loses? If they can't talk about the products, what about the legal issues themselves?
- Goodbye journalists with credibility. Frankly, CNET has always had some of the strongest tech reporters in the business. For many years I've considered it one of the top tech news sites out there. I have tremendous respect for many of the reporters there. But, now I have to wonder how much the suits are interfering with their ability to report things accurately.
- Goodbye to principled journalists who want to work for CBS. If I'm a journalist at CNET right now, I'd be seriously considering quitting in protest. This move seriously harms the brand and reputation of the site, and this is the kind of thing that journalists should stand up against. Having the suits interfere with what they can write about is generally seen as a massive offense to journalists. I would bet this leads to some of the best, most principled CNET reporters jumping ship to elsewhere.
- Good luck to CNET hiring new journalists. Who wants to jump into that toxic situation?
Of course, they were probably thinking that Dish would likely use the reviews from CNET as evidence in the lawsuit, which very well may be true (and could still happen since the review did go out). But it's not hard to get around that, since the legal impact of a single review is near zilch. In the end, they didn't stifle the review, they made it more well known. They didn't do anything that helps them in their lawsuit. And they're left with an undoubtedly pissed off set of journalists who may now question how free they are to actually report the news.
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Filed Under: ces, credibility, dvr, failures, hopper, journalism, lawsuits, reporting, slingbox, streisand effect
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No. The site stopped being credible in the last decade, when it was bought by CBS.
Only a fool believes otherwise.
It's like Ars Technica, who lost its credibility when it was bought by Conde Nast.
When reading those articles from these sources, one had best have lots of grains of salt nearby.
They'll need them and for precisely the reason outlined in the article.
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Although I'll need to take CNET of the list, Ars is still quality tech news - at least until there is evidence it isn't.
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Is it asking too much to base your condemnation of a source on demonstrable evidence of bias?
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Heck, how many of these sources would dare allow someone to use their monopolized communication mediums to challenge their government established monopoly status? and why wouldn't they allow such challenges to be heard over their monopolized medium? Because it's not in their best interests. IOW, what they are giving you is watered down propaganda.
Most of these mediums are very pro-IP and they seldom, if ever, allow IP criticisms to be communicated. and to the extent that they do, it is minimal. To the extent that they have gotten slightly better at this it's only because of the Internet's influence on the media. Even this telecast entirely works under the presumption that pharmaceutical patents are a good thing without allowing criticisms to even be heard. Tell me this is not propaganda.
Heck, major ISP's would censor websites criticizing them from their users if it weren't for free speech laws preventing that (and in the early days of the Internet various ISP's have tried to censor various websites from their users and either public backlash or court rulings have caused them to change their mind).
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For the kinds of low-level hardware analysis that Ars used to be known for, I read Anandtech (which has been around just as long, but has been maturing over the years).
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I gave up on them, I want to say around 7 years ago, when I got banned from their forums for showing journalistic integrity.
Not to mention download.com has been a festering cesspool of CNET-sponsored adware and bloat for the better part of the last decade, despite "tested adware-free" still being part of their slogan. It's so bad now I'd sooner go to shady Russian sites for my freeware downloads.
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Really? I thought Ars was more biased towards how awesome they think Apple is.
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Stretching...
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Google should censor all articles from the search engine that say anything remotely nice about the EU?
CNET is not in litigation, CBS is.
We should expect all of the media companies that are now just subdivisions of other major corporations to filter out any actual news that covers anyone they are suing?
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Frankly the "free world" in the west should probably be trademarked and have a forced mention of "brought to you by..."
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For true journalism having the freedom to write about the truth is what is important. It is the reason we have the 1st amendment.
Sure this is a private business here, but the principle and concepts are the same. As soon as there are business rules regarding what is ok and not ok to report you lose your freedom as a journalist in that environment.
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Besides, I don't think the lawsuit is about whether Dish delivers on it's promises or not, but whether those promises are illegal or not.
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CNET is a news service.
Their parent, CBS, is in litigation with Dish.
According to you, boy, CNET shouldn't report news regarding the CBS/Dish suit if it involves a negative result for CBS?
You obviously don't know what journalism is about.
But you DO have a handle on propaganda!
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Just like it would be legally foolish to publish an opinion piece saying it is a box of donkey scrotum rubbed in skunk feces, as that may only lead to your liability.
The safest out, just don't do a review of the product.
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Why, because lawsuits are more important than conducting your business? Sounds like another reason why the U.S. struggles to compete on level ground with other nations.
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*corrected first word for you*
A review that says a piece of technology has a great functionality has nothing to do with whether the functionality is legal. Saying I like it is not the same as saying it is legal.
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Liability for what? Anyone is perfectly free to publish an opinion piece describing something in that way (or any other) without any legal liability.
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Fair enough if they are just a new analysis and commentary site. But if the work is influenced by litigation in this way, that work cannot be journalism.
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This is just horrible by CBS and CNET.
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Fuck You CBS,Fox,?ABC,Disney, and all you other damn MAFIAA Greedbags.
CNET you should not have Budged but you have shown your true Colors. Green for Money and Yellow for Cowards.
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Your point #2 has always been a problem
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No, I stand by my point that the others are not as biased as Fox, they're just trying to catch up. Fox news started playing dirty tactics to, successfully, attract viewers. The others merely started imitating Fox's anti-professional style to hold on to their share of the shrinking pool of viewers who are even willing to watch TV news.
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Actually, boy, they just show one side of a lot of issues.
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Would that be "the other side"?
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Apologies to Gary Larson.
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The right way to do it is to accurately convey the whole story to the public without any interjected opinions or embellishments, and let the public decide for themselves how they feel about it and take sides if they so wish.
Nowadays, mostly due to vested corporate interests, the news is presented in a way that tells the public what to think instead of letting us make up our own minds. The easiest way to accomplish that is by reporting in a clearly biased manner only one side of the story. Some folks are able to see through this charade, but most aren't.
It also doesn't help that the reporting of news in the 21st century went from being a serious, honorable profession, to one that is a joke thanks mostly to the entertainment format it's often presented in. Not only is it biased, it's been dumbed down to make sure the widest possible audience is influenced by whatever message it is you want them to believe. Anything counter to the corporate welfare isn't reported at all, copyright issue being an excellent example of this.
The only way to get an accurate picture these days is to get your news from as many sources as possible before forming an opinion. Unfortunately we live in a relatively lazy society where doing this is just too much effort for most folks. Easier to just take what Fox News is saying at face value and believe it (just replace Fox with your favorite entertainment based news source).
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Aren't extreme, or aren't wrong? Certainly the latter, not so sure about the former. Though I don't watch any of them so take anything I say about it with a grain of salt.
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Big Search, duh. Didn't bob tell you?
Dont put words into my mouth.
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Dish is trying to present the content the way that people want to consume it. Heaven Forbid!
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At least if you're observing a rather astonishingly large portion of big business anyway.
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Oh, CNET...
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But in any event - if not for my DVR, I wouldn't watch TV at all. The 'hopper' is the only thing that's ever tempted me to look at dish; and if I had it, I'd watch a lot more TV.
But lengthy commercial breaks... are HISTORY for me, if I'm 'forced' to watch them - I won't watch at all, I'll go Netflix or just video game more.
Keep them short, to the point and I don't mind watching a few ads. Run them long and annoying - like AMC, SciFI, etc - and I won't watch your network at all, because it's just not worth watching the butchering of shows.
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One box delivering all the things the suites object to no wonder the suites flipped.
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Why do I say it's useless?
1. These technologies should not been needed in the first place if the boneheads running the media would fucking embrace the internet.
2. The internet is a tool and one of the most powerful tools we have ever come to know of so far. It has redefined the world and how we all operate. It can be used for all kinds of shit like good shit,evil shit,stupid shit,important shit,funny shit, boring shit, fapping shit & shitty fapping if you're a real pervert, gaming shit, chatting shit, reviewing shit & shitty reviews, and even talking shit.
Alright #2 was most likely not needed lol.
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information is neutral, it's what you do with it that is what's most important
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That distant thumping sound? It's Edward R Murrow spinning in his grave.
Now it's never been as perfectly clean as all that, but it is the rule. To say it's been tested by the near-implosion of the ad-supported media model is an understatement. But the idea that the business side would just flagrantly dictate editorial content is still so far beyond the pale that it leaves me at a loss for words. And I am never at a loss for words.
The charitable explanation for this is that CBS doesn't consider CNET to be a 'real' news operation. You know, cuz they just piddle around with that newfangled interweb thing. If they were real journalists they'd be on the television.
I just pray that that's the explanation. Because the other option is that this was the death of CBS News. I wonder what Ed Murrow would say about it?
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I take it you don't watch Fox News, else you'd permanently mute.
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No. Never have. Just judging from the clips I've seen and reliable reports from others, I don't really consider them a news organization. Every legit news person I've known who ever worked for them quit within a year or two.
On the other hand, it's a brilliant play by Roger Ailes, creating a political action committee that turns a profit.
One could raise questions about the editorial/business relationship in opinion journalism. One could ask where MSNBC fits on that spectrum. But none of that's relevant to CBS self-immolating its credibility.
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Journalism?
"CNET shows you the exciting possibilities of how technology can enhance and enrich your life. We provide you with information, tools, and advice that help you decide what to buy and how to get the most out of your tech."
Where in here does it mention "journalism"?
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It can't be journalism unless it uses the word "journalism" to describe itself?
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It places a responsibility on me to be where I need to be at a certain time that influences my approach to other appointments.
And I don't know about you, but I honestly enjoy the commercial breaks that accompany my nightly viewing!
No commercials would mean less tasty snacks during my favorite shows as well as providing the perfect pause in programming to make use of the "Original Hopper".
I am happy without the Dish's Hopper, its shifting time schedules or locations.
Really who wants one of those ugly dishes on their roof or to watch a show on your 4" phone anyway?
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Even if the TV structure changed to be an always available on demand video streaming surface, I can't imagine any reason why they couldn't stick to making videos available at a specific schedule. They could even stagger release times to get the same effect as TV. The only difference would be that, after it was first broadcast, it would be available perpetually when, and where you wanted it.
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So you're reliant on TV programming in order to be able to manage the rest of your life? I think there's something askew there.
It doesn't mean that for me. I just press "pause" anytime I want and go get snacks, etc.
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Today the while the miasma of prejudice still lingers, it has improved.
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Cant have backlash, if they dont report it, thankfully, the internet is the sweet thorn on that side
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