Innovators Break Stuff, Including The Rules: How Gates, Jobs & Zuckerberg Could Have Been Targeted Like Aaron Swartz
from the do-we-want-to-stamp-out-that-kind-of-innovation? dept
In a conversation with some folks in the tech industry recently, someone pointed out that nearly every super famous entrepreneur likely could have, at some point, been legitimately accused of violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA), which is the law that prosecutors used against Aaron Swartz, and is in desperate need of an overhaul. Over at the EFF, Trevor Timm has a great post exploring how Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg all might have faced charges under the CFAA. You should read the whole thing, but here are a few snippets:On Zuckerberg:
In 2006, while a sophomore at Harvard, Zuckerberg created a website called “Facemash” which compared photographs of Harvard’s entire population, asking users to compare two photos and vote on who looked better. Zuckerberg allegedly got access to these photos by “hacking” into each of Harvard’s nine House websites and then collecting them all on one site. It’s not clear what this “hacking” was, but since the charges against him included “breaching security,” it may have fun afoul of the law.On Jobs:
Columbia Law Professor Tim Wu notes in the New Yorker that Apple co-founders Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, did acts that were “more economically damaging than, Swartz’s.” The two college roommates made what were called “blue boxes,” cheap devices that mimicked a certain frequency that allowed them to trick AT&T’s telephone system into making free long-distance calls. They also sold blue boxes before moving onto bigger and better ideas.On Gates:
In his autobiography, Allen told the story of when the two future billionaires “got hold of” an administrator password at the company they worked at before starting Microsoft. The company had timeshared computers and Allen and Gates were getting charged for using them for their personal work.Of course, defenders of the existing law will argue that these episodes are entirely unrelated to the later greatness that all three of these folks were eventually involved in. But that's not actually supported by the facts. Facesmash almost certainly directly led Zuckerberg to Facebook. And, in the case of Steve Jobs, he specifically told an interviewer:
The two men used the password to access the company's accounts and set about trying to find a free runtime account so that they could carry on programming without having to pay for the time. They also copied the account database for later perusal. However, management got wise to the plan."We hoped we'd get let off with a slap on the wrist, considering we hadn't done anything yet. But then the stern man said it could be 'criminal' to manipulate a commercial account. Bill and I were almost quivering."
“Experiences like that taught us the power of ideas…And if we hadn’t have made blue boxes, there would’ve been no Apple.”Innovators innovate because they hack away at stuff. They push boundaries and they try new things to explore uncharted worlds. Do we really want to be punishing people like that with threats of 35 years in jail? (And, yes, the government absolutely did threaten him with 35 years.)
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Filed Under: aaron swartz, bill gates, cfaa, hacking, innovation, mark zuckerberg, steve jobs
Companies: apple, facebook, microsoft
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as I see it, is that all the above cases, they did it for what might be said to be personal gain. Aaron on the other hand was acting for what he believed to be public interest or the greater good. Gates, Jobs, Woz, Zuckerberg were all relatively unknown geeky kids fooling around, no threat to those in power, like kids at raves or street racing in stolen cars, except with computers.But Aaron was already an acknowledged genius, idealistic, an influential internet personality, already in the administration's sights for his activism and the PACER and SOPA/PIPA debacles. That was his undoing. IMO, his crime was not the unauthorized downloads our the trespasses on MIT property, just the fact that his activism and idealism branded him in the eyes of the prosecution as anti-establishment.
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I've got the fire ready.
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Given that they were the only ones who were preserving and spreading knowledge back then in Europe, you might have had to wait for the Arabs to come up from southern Spain or northern Africa to fill the void, though.
Trivia: Why was it called the "Dark Ages"? Because the King of Bohemia had veto power over the election of the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire (northern Europe). Cultural imperialism at its best!
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The Cycle is repeating at the next level up, with the battle to control or keep the Internet free, along with the battle over copyright. The publishers, labels and studios are the elite this time round, and like the old aristocracy they can see their power ending because the means of production is available to everyone. Similarly the Internet is allowing society to largely bypass the civil service as a means of organising the public, and communicating about public issues.
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Quite a stretch, Mike. -- But pleasant fantasy!
Take a loopy tour of Techdirt.com! You always end up at same place!
http://techdirt.com/
Where Mike's "no evidence of real harm" means he wants to let secretive mega-corporations continue to grow.
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Nonetheless, they were effective, and therefore successful in their goals. They are all major names in the industry. That can fairly be described as "greatness".
Disruption is what allows for significant change. Without significant change, there can be no great advances. However, change (and disruption) is not a predictable things and does not always result in a positive outcome.
It's not a question of disruption being good or bad. It's a matter of it being inevitable. Since it's inevitable, it's wise to learn how to use it for good.
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Your arguments could be extended to any invention over the past 400 years to paint them as somehow "evil" inventions.
Airplanes allow drug smugglers to bring in their toxic cargo, and terrorists to take hostages and crash into buildings. Thanks a lot, Orville and Wibur!
Cars kill thousands on the road every year. Thanks a lot, Daimler Motor Car Company!
Railroads allowed a-holes like Cornelius Vanderbuilt and Jay Gould to become obscenely wealthy. Thanks a lot, James Watt!
Three easy examples. Three developments that revolutionized not just the country, but the entire world, and provided incalculable benefit to humankind. Did they produce some bad apples? Yeah - our inventions are merely tools conjured from our imagination and utilized by our flawed souls. They have every bit the capability of evil and good as their human operator. No more, no less. There is no such thing as "bad" innovation. Those who look at change as a threat to their livelihood are both shortsighted and underestimate their own abilities to adapt and change.
That's the kind of "innovation" that I think is good? Frak yeah. Innovation grows us as a species. It actively repels stagnation. It drives cultural and physiological changes and in more cases than not, increases prosperity across the entire planet. Innovation begets change, which begets more innovation. Stagnation begets complacency, which will beget extinction.
To quote Robert Heinlein:
Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded � here and there, now and then � are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as "bad luck."
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Harry is in the wand shop, getting a wand. He eventually gets one, and is told that it is a twin to the wand that gave him his famous lightning bolt scar. To quote the wand salesman Ollivander to the best of my recollection
"He Who Must Not Be Named did great things with that wand. Terrible yes...but great".
Great doesn't automatically mean sunshine and puppy dogs. Everyone knows of the many bad business practices of Gates et al. Again, I urge you to calm the fuck down, get out, seek medical help and also this time, learn some fucking English.
Gates et al did good things. They did bad things too. Does Mike need to mention both every single time they're mentioned? Nope.
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That's breaking and entering, trespassing, embezzlement, and because it was without permission, numerous violations of CFAA (which obviously didn't exist at the time.)
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Slightly off-topic: plea bargains
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In regards to Mr. Swartz, the idea works in reverse. You load up a relatively minor crime with punishments like it was a major crime, and then offer the defendant some ridiculously reduced sentence to cop a plea. Even innocent defendants might choose to not roll the dice.
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What am I missing? This just sounds like larceny.
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The point I'm getting out of this is that the punishment for some of these things should be in range of warning/probation/community service; and not in the range of "the productive portion of your life is effectively over".
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Nope, you've completely misunderstood the point. It's not saying that they did everything right. In some ways it was blatant stealing (the blue box was clearly stealing a service from the phone company, for example). It could be argued that they're good because they allowed these young men to experiment with things they later perfected, but it's irrelevant to the central point whether you call the actions "bad" or not.
The point is that had they been treated like Swartz was treated, their contributions to society would have been lost. That new innovators can be stopped (or made into criminals) before they even start as a result of the same things that people who revolutionised the world a generation or less before them did. That innovators will be shut down because they threaten the established status quo.
"There would've been no Apple" -- and we'd be worse off today how, exactly?"
No Apple II or Macintosh, which means a lot of inspiration for other technological innovations as well as no revolutions in other industries (e.g. desktop publishing and spreadsheets first found popular homes on Apple equipment). No iMac, nor OSX, meaning that Microsoft have a complete stranglehold on the desktop market (assuming that Gates wasn't also locked up, potentially meaning no PC revolution at all). No iPod or iTunes, meaning that digital music may not have taken off in the way it did, and all the benefits that brings, as well as the smartphone and tablet markets that were struggling or dying (or at best restricted to corporate markets). Pixar may not have become what it became without Steve Jobs' involvement during a difficult time of their history. The list goes on...
It's true that some of these innovations may have come about without Apple, and certainly they were better at innovating rather than inventing - so, other people may have innovated in similar ways. But, the world would be a very different place if Jobs & Wozniak had found themselves dead or in jail as a result of their early phreaking attempts.
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Thank goodness the DOJ was helping to protect us from this menace. Despite that JSTOR wasn't pressing it and the state AG considered it unimportant.
If this isn't stopped, the next thing you know people will be thinking they have a right to free air to breathe without paying! Making the air free devalues it. It must be licensed.
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But Aaron was already an acknowledged genius, idealistic, an influential internet personality, already in the administration's sights for his activism and the PACER and SOPA/PIPA debacles. That was his undoing. IMO, his crime was not the unauthorized downloads our the trespasses on MIT property, just the fact that his activism and idealism branded him in the eyes of the prosecution as anti-establishment.
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What innovators?
Jobs: Began by copying Xerox's innovation, but actually did build some new and useful concept on the foundation they laid. (Which Microsoft immediately went and produced a bad ripoff of. See above.) Never managed to get anywhere with his products because he and his company insisted on too-tight control of everything and making life too difficult for developers. And as soon as he actually got a little bit of power in the marketplace, he went waaaay off the deep end and instituted policies far more evil than anything we ever saw coming out of Microsoft. I suppose that could count as an innovation...
Zuckerberg: Began by breaking into systems, but that's OK, because he later ended up stealing from his employers who hired him to create a site, taking their design--which was essentially just a MySpace ripoff--for his own. He then proclaimed privacy irrelevant by royal fiat, participated in a massive act of securities fraud when he took his company public (for which no one was ever prosecuted that I know of) and screwed investors out of billions while padding his own pockets considerably.
Like they say, hindsight's 20/20. I'm having a hard time seeing why these people shouldn't have been prosecuted for their early crimes and prevented from going on and causing further harm. Can someone come up with some examples of guys who actually contributed in a positive way?
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Gates: the real innovation - and it was primarily a business one, I won't argue - was seperating the hardware and operating system from control by the same company. He licensed the OS to IBM and retained his control to improve and sell it to other companies. And ultimately, that is what made DOS and later Windows successful, in that it allowed a huge amount of competition in the hardware space and made the PC revolution possible.
Jobs: yes, he took everything that Xerox had (and wasn't using) and turned it into something that people wanted (and yes, Gates then copied it all, too). But without him, we may never have had personal computers.
And since you wrote that comment on some version of a personal computer (or smartphone descended from them), and the comment travelling over a network-of-networks used to allow all those PCs to communicate, then I can say that they contributed in a positive way. Unless you want to return to a time before these things, you need to accept that.
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In memory of Aaron Swartz, Bunnie released his book free, telling his adventures hacking the Xbox and the legal hops caused by copyright and patents.
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Again again the willfully blind ignores the fact that the Sentencing Commission Guidelines are all but conclusive on the Court and continues to insist that there was actually a chance in hell of Swartz of getting 35 years. Good job Magoo.
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Whether or not he should have been intimidated by those threats is a completely separate issue. I think most people would have been very intimidated. That's why they make those threats.
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It's not as though they say "we're going to push for 50 years, but the federal sentencing guidelines say you can only get 20". And anyway, stop pretending (AC, not John) that there's no problem because he could "only" have gotten how many years? 10? 15? For entering a server closet he shouldn't have.
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The psychological fear that the DoJ use of 'up to' whether correct in practice or not is the epitome of the stick in the carrot and stick analogy. This is the main way they get plea bargains accepted.
IF they instead had to inform the defendant of the actual process and the likelihood based on standing, history of defendant, previous rulings, social norms, etc then that 'stick' would be absolutely useless like it is (and should be) in every other civilised country of the world EXCEPT the USA
Whereas everywhere else in the world it's quite
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Then the US Attorneys Office never should have threatened him with 35 years. But they did.
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