Other Government Agencies Wanted Access To NSA Surveillance Data For Other Investigations... Including Copyright Infringement
from the seriously-now? dept
Going all the way back to 2010, we've talked many times about how much of the "debate" over "cybersecurity" was really a kind of turf war between the Defense Department (really, the NSA) and the Department of Homeland Security, over who would control both the budgets and the information they were collecting. So it should come as little surprise to see the NY Times reporting that this turf war has been playing out behind the scenes with various other government agencies demanding access to all that sweet, sweet data it has on everyone for whatever their personal area of interest was -- including:...drug trafficking, cyberattacks, money laundering, counterfeiting and even copyright infringementTo its credit (and I can't believe I'm saying that), it appears that the NSA has rejected most of these requests, saying that those other issues are not high enough of a priority and they don't want to violate privacy rights (don't laugh). Still, given how much pressure is coming from other agencies of the government, you have to expect that sooner or later the NSA will be pressured into opening up the data to other parts of the government. In fact, part of the concern about CISPA and other cybsersecurity legislation wasn't just that it would put the NSA in control over such information, but that it also made it clear that government agencies would be free to share that data with each other, for almost any investigative purpose.
And, of course, that brings us to the "copyright infringement" bit. It's no secret that different parts of the government -- including the DOJ and ICE (a part of Homeland Security) have taken it upon themselves to act as if copyright infringement is a huge problem that they, personally, need to stop. The idea that agencies are even seeking access to the NSA's data to deal with copyright infringement claims shows just how incredibly obsessed they are. Copyright shouldn't even involve federal law enforcement in the first place, as it really should only be about civil cases between private parties. It was troubling enough that the government was deputizing itself to be copyright cops -- but to find out that they also wanted to use the data the NSA collects (which is already of questionable legality) in order to further work on their copyright obsession is downright ridiculous.
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Talk about comedic court cases...
Prosecutor: The accused, Redacted, is hereby accused of copyright infringement for downloading Redacted on the date of-
Judge: I'm sorry, but do you think this court is a comedy club to practice jokes in? Either take the case seriously, and read the filing correctly, or I'll hold you in contempt of court.
Prosecutor: I am taking it seriously your honor, the evidence as filed by my client, and provided by... an anonymous third party has a number of bits redacted and covered over.
Judge: Let me see that...(Glances over the paper) How about that, you were right. I haven't seen so many black marks since the Prenda lawyers took their bar re-certification exams.
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Re: Talk about comedic court cases...
Imagine if they read that foia requests one reader wanted to duct tape in a cycle and fax back a while back. I mean, how do you read a page of black ink?
"Screw it!" said the judge as he stormed out of the court. A few weeks later he was found living in a trailer near Yellowstone fishing with pointy tree branches and smoking some native weed.
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I suspect that it is just a matter of time before other agencies like DOJ/ICE are outed as having gotten data from the NSA (despite their continued protests of "we don't do that").
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DEA's Special Operations Division
But you can't use secret tips in Court, right? Well, says one former DEA agent, "It's just like laundering money - you work it backwards to make it clean" - in a process called parallel construction.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-dea-sod-20130805,0,2087915,full.story
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Hey, I've written that if Google's data on YOU PIRATES were turned over
ALL SPYING IS BAD, EVEN FOR YOU PIRATES!
When you think surveillance, think Google!
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Stridently denying something while at the same time accusing others of it, might want to check out the wiki entry on 'Psychological projection', as your actions fit the psychosis perfectly.
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Re: Hey, I've written that if Google's data on YOU PIRATES were turned over
I don’t see you going after any of those, so until you do, quit singling out Google as the only problem in town.
Also: HOSTS file block on Google and all its services (including YouTube, Blogger, and Gmail), use HTTPS Everywhere, disable cookies, use DuckDuckGo. There, your Google problem is (mostly) solved.
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"Turnkey tyranny" - Only there is no key to turn and there is no deadbolt.
America is fucked because we're led, in fact, by a bunch of scared ass pussy cats, pussies who'll shut down everything instead of work harder at achieving what they're supposed to stand for.
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Do it. Share it and spread it all round
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When the NSA, with all its malware spreading, corporation colluding, secretive spying, encryption cracking, ISP collaborating, and this last bit is key, DRM hijacking, REJECTS your calls for a Luddite utopia, your philosophy is dead.
There is such a thing as a tipping point, and I think the NSA rejecting the chance to enforce copyright while it abuses every privacy moral out there tells you everything. It means it's over.
And who is to say that the internet will stay the way it is now? What if in 20 or 30 years' time the internet is ten thousand times faster and ten thousand times more anonymous? What, dear copyright believers, will you do then? Apart from bellowing your self-pitying Luddism left, right and centre?
I know what I will do as a radical crowdfunding supporter: rejoice at that ten-thousand-fold increase's power to reap in much more crowdfunds much faster. Not a hint of Luddism exists in my philosophy.
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I have little doubt that the internet will eventually become effectively a locked-down broadcasting medium rather than the the public forum it is now, and it will be relegated to serving the same people and needs as cable television. When that happens, we will have to replace it with something else.
So I'd rephrase your question: What if in 20 or 30 years' time the popular replacement for the internet is ten thousand times faster and ten thousand times more anonymous?
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But if the huge databases had been intended to go after the lesser drug dealers or the small-scale copyright infringers, now, then it starts to make much more sense...
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Umm, there is such a thing as criminal copyright infringement (just ask the NinjaVideo defendants), why shouldn't law enforcement use the tools at its disposal. Bummer when criminal laws are enforced, huh?
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And that, right there, is a very good reason why the the NSA's activities should not be allowed. Their special dispensation to spy into the private details of all of our lives inevitably become just about "law enforcement tool" -- one that would be absolutely illegal if the law enforcement agencies themselves ran it.
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Never said otherwise. Am merely saying there shouldn't be. It makes no sense.
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Societally, that carries at least as much importance, or more, as copyright violations.
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Don't be too quick to give them credit. You already know that aren't concerned about privacy - except for theirs of course. A much more likely explanation is that it's nothing more than a power game.
Why give away what you can trade for almost anything you want? This is the most valuable commodity on the political market. It's like an unlimited supply of IOUs from every other branch of government. The only value this has anything to do with is trade value.
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Regards:
Do You Need an Accountant to Divorce?
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