Ed Snowden's Email Provider, Lavabit, Shuts Down To Fight US Gov't Intrusion
from the standing-on-principles dept
Early on in the Snowden leaks, it was revealed that Snowden himself was using email services from an operation called Lavabit, which offered extremely secure email. However, today Lavabit's owner, Ladar Levison, shut down the service, claiming it was necessary to do so to avoid becoming "complicit in crimes against the American people." Not much more information is given, other than announced plans to fight against the government in court. Reading between the lines, it seems rather obvious that Lavabit has been ordered to either disclose private information or grant access to its secure email accounts, and the company is taking a stand and shutting down the service while continuing the legal fight. It's also clear that the court has a gag order on Levison, limiting what can be said.Apparently there were just over 400,000 email accounts on Lavabit at the time they shut down -- victims of the US government trying to spy on certain email accounts.My Fellow Users,
I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations. I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on--the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests.
What’s going to happen now? We’ve already started preparing the paperwork needed to continue to fight for the Constitution in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. A favorable decision would allow me resurrect Lavabit as an American company.
This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States.
Sincerely,
Ladar Levison
Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC
It's not difficult to make an educated guess as to what happened. The Feds went to Lavabit demanding access to Ed Snowden's email. Lavabit refused. The feds went to (secret) court and the (secret) court said (in secret) that Lavabit had to turn over the information. And Lavabit's response is noble: it is shutting down and fighting in court, rather than becoming a pawn in this and compromising the trust and reputation its built up over the years. Lavabit also includes a link on their site for a legal defense fund.
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I honestly don't know how this can continue. Given that this is in the 5th Circuit which believes more in the law and order type of precedents, it seems that Lavabit is in for a tough road of fighting for the Constitution.
Godspeed in some very important cases...
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Lavabit also includes a link on their site for a legal defense fund.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY.
I'm kind of short on money. But this is worth the sacrifice.
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I suspect it was a demand to gain access to all emails, not just Snowdons. The NSA seems to think it is entitles to see every bodies communications, and that the FISA court is their to grant them that access.
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I'm willing to listen on port 2525 for ESMTP connections carrying email traffic which is GPG-encrypted for one of my public keys.
The GPG requirement is an anti-spam measure: Any traffic that cannot be decrypted with one of my keys will be silently dropped on the floor. Of course, a spammer could look up my public key just as easily as anyone else. If spammers start doing that, then other measures will be required. Probably white-listing.
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Alternatives to lavabit.com?
Does anyone know of other trustworthy providers in Switzerland or perhaps Iceland?
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All data is end-to-end encrypted, however, with keys only held by the end users. — so that the data cannot be given up, even under pressure.
It is hosted in Norway, and operates under Norwegian jurisdiction — Which is as good an alternative as Iceland or Switzerland.
( disclaimer: i work with Crypho. )
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No email? Then it's not a very good alternative for lavabit.
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There are several instances where the US has made things illegal after the fact -- the laws around the SuperFund sites being one of them, so the "ex post facto" limitation is not 100%.
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While this is true, one must remember the shutdown involved an unwarranted search through Snowden's e-mails through that provider. They are still violating constitutional law with those searches....which Ironically hold no information other than a letter or two about vowing to stay preserved even under torture.
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Any search of *Snowden's* personal effects and papers are fully within the 4th Amendment.
I don't think he should be prosecuted, but since he *is* being investigated and prosecuted, the searches of his stuff are entirely legal.
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In short...they sneaked it in like a North Carolina abortion bill...only the difference was that we were distracted.
"I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on--the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests."
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The "6 weeks" probably is referring to when the data requests started & the gag order was put in place. We're hearing about it now because he lost the first round of trial (hence talking about the 4th Circuit of Appeals) & has to shut down or comply while he appeals.
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Then the gag order would have to be proven unconstitutional...which it certainly is.
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This would be true only if we had a government that followed the law.
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1st Amendment
Uhm, excuse me???
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Let's see here, Congress shall make NO law ... abridging the freedom of speech....
Well, that's pretty black and white - the gag order is illegal and tantamount to treason. (as it goes against the constitution, the american people)
That being said, I believe the gag order could be fought up through SCotUS and do the rest of America a favor making gag orders like these illegal for all time.
Since the gag order is illegal, it's null and void.
Sounds like a job for wikileaks to expose more government treason.
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Misuse of the word "treason" has become epidemic of late, by people on all sides of these issues. Can we all just agree to stop using the word before it is stripped of any real meaning?
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"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."
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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
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Go read the Constitution. It defines treason. Political corruption doesn't qualify.
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I think a reasonable definition of treason is: The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies
The US Supreme Court has said that 1st Amendment Rights are not absolute; falsely yelling FIRE in a theater, for example, can be prosecuted. And on (too) many occasions they have said that National Security can take precedence to hold back speech. Unfortunately, from my perspective, they don't ask for proof that National Security is actually involved.
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But if you really think it's bad precedent, then by all means try and do something to get the precedent changed (civil disobedience, nonviolence, you get where I'm going with this).
[As for the yelling fire in a theater bit, I wonder if that's been extended to causing a panic in a room full of people yet (wouldn't be surprised since we're living in a "post-Aurora shooting world").]
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For example, free speech isn't granted to you, it's something you naturally have, the constitution just places a limit on the government with regards to your free speech.
If I understand it correctly, at what point did the constitution become less as limiting the government and more as granting the citizens of the USA rights that they naturally have?
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What made The United States Of America relatively free has been a LACK of Born Rich (being an adequate meritocracy up to fairly recent, despite the HUGE flaw of slavery) and stands on moral principles, ours actually clearly written: that gov't is a servant of the people, not a tool of The Rich. But as time goes on and privileged kids grow up with everything just handed to them -- especially entitlement to live off laborers -- it has of course run down and is under attack by the perpetual enemies of progress who want to drag us back to savagery. And this time, the tyrants have learned to avoid some mistakes of technique, besides have computers* to surveil us!
[That'd be Google, among others, not to stint you whom my mention of an amoral mega-corporation seems to annoy, as if you identify with it...]
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That's why we have Amendments...to ensure that no branches of our Government have too much power. This is called checks and balances...unfortunately for us US citizens...whose rights are supposed to be dutifully protected from tyranny of any level concerning ruling powers in the US by the Constitution...are finding it rather difficult to understand why our governmental Administration continues to trample on our basic inalienable human rights to not only self govern our lives within the confines of what is otherwise reasonable law.
In other words...we are whole heartedly confused as citizens as to why our own current administrators and representatives would be so foolish to violate the rights of the citizens they are supposed to represent.
You ever hear the term "Corporate Cronyism"? It's often used as a description to the US Congress...well now they are a step above that with "Self serving interests"....they now rarely support honest business establishments and are largely backed by Hollywood.
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> that no branches of our Government have too
> much power. This is called checks and balances
Umm... no. The checks and balances are found in Articles I through III, not in the amendments.
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This is correct.
The idea is that there are certain rights, though, that are inalienable. These rights are not granted by the Constitution, but are acknowledged by it.
Also, we often use a kind of shorthand, talking about certain things (free speech is a good example) as if they are rights granted by the Constitution, when they are not, really. The first amendment prohibits the government from infringing on an inalienable right (free speech). It doesn't grant the right of free speech to citizens, which would be pointless as citizens naturally have that right by virtue of existing. But it conversation, it's easier and quicker to call it a "constitutionally guaranteed right".
I'm not sure if that clarified things, but it was worth a shot.
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I don't understand why people constantly cite Schenck v. United States (the fire/theater "clear and present danger" case) when it's no longer even good law. It was overruled by Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969, which held that "the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit the State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action".
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What makes you think SCOTUS would actually rule gag orders illegal? It's not like they've been a shining beam of constitutional defense lately...
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Legally, "treason" has a very, VERY specific definition:
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."
The sticking point for many seems to be the definition of "Comfort." It's not "peace of mind," or "laughs," or "agreeing with them." It's straight harboring enemy combatants (like, letting them hide in your house), or giving them money.
You're not guilty of Treason just for breaking the Constitution.
Interestingly, the most recent example of *actual* treason was HSBC Bank laundering money for drug cartels and known terrorist organizations.
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1.) One who disagrees with the government
2.) Violent criminals
3.) Please elect me so I can buy another vacation home
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Another thing...
So no matter how you look at it, it seems the NSA has gotten itself into the trap they created for Snowden.
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That's what Google should do! Too big to prosecute, anyway...
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-06/10/tim-wu-google-boycott
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As far as customizability...it's perfectly legal to Jailbreak or "Root" a WiFi only iPad....my favorite mod is getting Mac System 6.0.8 running on an iPad via emulation...some have even taken that as far as modding an iPad to be the screen of a classic Macintosh like the one in my avatar...and surprise, the Apple Bluetooth Keyboards and Mice all work well in Mac OS 6 ^_^
Now I could get into the history of it until adnoseum...but it has almost nothing to do with the article at hand.
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I thought with the Apple post, we'd at least start getting some variation to the same parroted Google squawking day-in and day-out.
Wishful thinking on my part. Sigh.
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link ...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
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When faced with either being forced to hand over client accounts, or shutting down, the proper response is to shut down. It's also the proper response in a business sense; if you advertise your service as being secure, but show that you're willing to hand over user information even if you believe it would be misused, then no-one is going to trust you, or do business with you, in the future.
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It gets uglier and uglier
Tell you a little secret, and it's totally serious:
The government plays to win, and they will always win one way or another.
They don't care what the law says, you know. They made the law, ok? What it is today is not what you think it is, and it is their law against you.
Even if the SC rules in someone else's favor. By that time the government will have destroyed the lives of those who wish to fight it.
Think I'm kidding? I wish to high heaven I wasn't-but I've been through the grinder before and it's totally rigged against the innocents.
All that said, I do wish the owner of Lavabits the very best and all the mojo. He's got more credibility than his opponents, for sure.
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I got bit
Luckly I used my domain to forward to my lavabit address, so I can just redirect to a new address.
I looked at a few but they are tons more expensive than lavabit was.
Been looking at posteo.de but I need to brush up on my German some more. MyKolab is crazy expensive to start up.
I've ran my own before but it really is a pita to keep running, and using a residental ISP makes it even harder.
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Basically, I would choose an email provider that has been around for a long enough time to where chances of them shutting down one night without warning are slim. I don't trust the new providers that have popped up which are specifically about anti-prism, pro-freedom. Because they haven't been around long enough to prove if they are actually going to be reliable and stick to their word. Which is one of the reasons I admired Lavabit. They stuck to their word to the very end.
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That's the funny thing -- (almost?) nobody here thinks he's wrong in his fundamental point. He's just offtopic and spammy about it, and erroneously equates what the government is doing with what Google is doing.
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This man is my god.
oh, and...
The Senator [Stephen Decatur] from Wisconsin cannot frighten me by exclaiming, "My country, right or wrong." In one sense I say so too. My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEi5PAFkiNI
We the people are the POW's.
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Now all my emails are getting bounced from my lavabit address, and I have to find a new provider.
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Terrorism: Systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective.
The United States government is by far the largest and most well-resourced terrorist organization in the world. And I'm pretty damn tired of shit like the OP happening because they can't stop peen-waving.
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China is now the old USA and the USA is now old China.
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On a side note....true reform never comes from those who campaign on a promise...it only comes when that promise is your only camping. You cannot make a promise without a clear idea of your core principles and I think that's exactly what the Obama Administration sorely lacked. Never vote on a person with extreme charisma who is promising total sweeping change and reform...Humanity learned that the hard way with Hitler.
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Hitler Delivers!
The difference is that Hitler delivered in exactly the way he promised. Obama went in on a bringing-American-freedoms-back campaign and then... evolved, I guess.
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News like these...
I also think sooner or later they will freeze his Paypal funds as well.
The Yanks are absolutely terrible at this.
One one side, they preach freedoms and on the other...well, this.
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All that you have done is graphically highlight what a bunch of self serving, hypocritical, neurotic, psychopathical, bunch of suckling pigs you really are.
Time to find an European home for my email and boycott all US products and services for the forseeable future....
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What a wonderful precedence we set for more authoritarian regimes to control people.
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Chicken or the egg problem. You’re gonna need most of the folks with whom you correspond also using the same encryption method. That has always been the problem with encrypted mail.
I’m hoping current events will make that easier. But I don’t know what it will take to hit critical mass.
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But I would still prefer my government keep their eyes off my regular emails to my non-tech-savvy mother who wouldn’t necessarily think the encryption was worth it.
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God Help us all
Sometimes you HAVE to take a stand and do the lesser of two evils and if the other evil was handing over even one bit of data this was the lesser evil.
I worry about Paypal donations. Paypal will freeze that account the second any meaningful amount of money collects. If your not a US government puppet Paypal will be more than happy to seize your money. Look and look fast at other donation gathering methods. Bitcoin is one obviously but you may be able to get an EU payment processor on board at least for a while.
As for anyone doing IT business in the USA or UK its time to start moving things to a safe country now. If you stay your doing a major disservice to yourself and your customers. Its sad but the supposed land of the free is the last place you want to be.
I wont get into the US constitution and stuff. Im not a Citizen. But it appears that its just a rag now. It has no relevance since the Wikileaks saga. Its getting worse not better every time the Government overreaches. The thing that scares me most these days isnt China or North Korea or some other Axis of Evil country. Its the god damned United States of America that frightens me most as a Freedom loving Australian Citizen.
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lavabit to Finland?
There's no NSA in Finland _and_ email and written letters
have extremely strong protection by law.
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shame on america
PS: hopefully they won't track my ip otherwise they will sent them 'muricans hillbilly from marines to bring "DEMOCRATHAA" to my country as well.
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The forth reich
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Re: The forth reich
Maybe this time, after a good and bloody civil war, after another holocaust, those who survive will understand that it can happen anywhere.
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