Snowden Says NSA Is Lying When It Claims He Didn't Raise Concerns Through The Proper Channels
from the blow-that-whistle dept
In a new interview with Vanity Fair magazine, Ed Snowden seems to be hitting back at nearly every bogus claim made by his critics. He kicks it off by responding to the claims that if he were a real whistleblower, he should have just gone through "official channels." He claims that he did that and nothing happened. In fact, he suggests that Congress ought to ask the NSA about that.The N.S.A. at this point not only knows I raised complaints, but that there is evidence that I made my concerns known to the N.S.A.'s lawyers, because I did some of it through e-mail. I directly challenge the N.S.A. to deny that I contacted N.S.A. oversight and compliance bodies directly via e-mail and that I specifically expressed concerns about their suspect interpretation of the law, and I welcome members of Congress to request a written answer to this question [from the N.S.A.].How about the silly claim that he took 1.7 million documents? As we've mentioned this number keeps going up. First it was 50,000 documents. Then 70,000. Then 1.5 million. And the latest is 1.7 million. And all of it seems based on a faulty assumption that every document Snowden has ever "touched" he took with him. That is almost certainly false. And, as we've also noted in the past, Snowden has made it clear that he no longer has any of the documents. He reiterated that to Vanity Fair:
Snowden cautions about some of the numbers that investigators have publicized, especially the 1.7 million figure, which, he tells Vanity Fair, is “simply a scare number based on an intentionally crude metric: everything that I ever digitally interacted with in my career.” He adds, “Look at the language officials use in sworn testimony about these records: ‘could have,’ ‘may have,’ ‘potentially.’ They’re prevaricating. Every single one of those officials knows I don’t have 1.7 million files, but what are they going to say? What senior official is going to go in front of Congress and say, ‘We have no idea what he has, because the N.S.A.’s auditing of systems holding hundreds of millions of Americans’ data is so negligent that any high-school dropout can walk out the door with it?’ ”There's more in the publicly released summary, and apparently the full story (not yet released) will have even more. Of course, it won't stop the NSA's defenders from making the same old claims again and again without proof.
“I know exactly how many documents I have,” Snowden continues. “Zero.”
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At this point...
Save for a few individuals, but they're few and far between.
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who's working with the Russians?
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For some reason...
Maybe he just has a trustworthy face.
Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that he hasn't lied yet, while the NSA and USGov can't seem to stop.
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In fact they spread propaganda to attempt to justify what they were lying about and more propaganda to justify the lying.
Of course not them alone but the Five Eyes in it up to their necks, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom, United States (alphabetical order) all playing, we don't spy on our own citizens whilst getting other countries to do it for them or at least pretending too.
How many prosecution for all the crimes exposed, zero, not one, even those committed under oath.
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some speculation
This is pure speculation, but Snowden might have decided to quit his job because, not only were his complaints going nowhere, but in addition he was feeling the backlash from his attempts at reform.
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You haven't been paying attention. Snowden had been filing complaints through official channels, and his career had been seriously damaged as a result.
That's why he had to move to a contractor position and off to Hawaii in order to be able to put together a complaint to the employer of the government, the American people.
Either way, he has to deal with a schizophrenic paranoid megalomaniac.
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he's being accused of as many things as possible just in case he gets forced back to the USA. like that there will have to be a charge that they can use against him!
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Given past performances by various officials, I'd sooner trust Snowden to at least know what the truth was.
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Lie and deny. It's on the very first page of their playbook.
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And Snowden, well, there is no proof that he is working with the Russians. But there is no proof he isn't. So he must be. He definitely can see Russia from his back porch. And seeing Russia from your back porch makes you guilty. Or a viable candidate for president. Or something.
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What is it
What was the last time the US government, or its official representatives, ever admitted being wrong - about anything?
Are they supernatural perfect beings who never make mistakes?
Just admit it - we did wrong. We exceeded our constitutional authority. We're sorry. We'll fix it and we won't do it again. And Snowden was the whistleblower who showed us that we needed to change.
When I hear someone in government admit they were wrong, I'll starting thinking about believing them.
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Many people in power, and especially those in government base their decisions on their beliefs, rather than any form of actual evidence. Any admission of error is an admission that their beliefs are wrong, which undermines the foundations of their lives. It is the same problem as trying to discuss things with proselytizing religious people, they are just not open to argument, or discussion of their beliefs and actions based on their beliefs.
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It's nuts -- but that is also the behavioural pattern we've consistently been selecting for when we vote...
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It is very difficult to trust someone who never admits to mistakes. Either they are suffering from a crippling lack of judgement and self-awareness, or they are liars.
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Pay Back
Some will say they don’t want to waste their vote, but you are already wasting your vote on Democrats & Republicans because they are the ones who have already betrayed us. This should be a joint effort on the part of all Americans , Democrats Republicans & Independent voters ! Organize now before its to late ! Your liberty is at stake and that of your children & grandchildren !
No more lies, excuses rationalizations,or justifications, the public also needs to hold these officials to account to the fullest extent of the law under Title 18 sec. 241 & 242 (Google it), so any future CRIMINALS will know there will be consequences to such behavior.
REMEMBER: POLITICIANS, BUREAUCRATS AND DIAPERS SHOULD BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON. !
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Crimes committed by both Democrats & Republicans and some reasons not to vote for them ! These crimes are a violation of the Constitution, US Laws & International Law ! See link below.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/22887-un-human-rights-committee-finds-us-in-serious-violati on
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Fuck Google
Hell, no. You "Google it" — I'll keep performing my searches on DuckDuckGo, Ixquick, Privatelee, Qrobe.it, and other non-NSA-collaborating PRISM participants looking to "monetize" me by undermining my privacy.
Quit shilling for surveillance-state profiteers.
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All senior managers, government bureaucrats and politicians would love to limit whistle blowers to official channels only. That way they can make sure that their actions are never made public.
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probably too true...
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snow den for president.
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Stupid dare.
N.S.A. officials have demonstrated their willingness to blatantly lie to Congress whenever they find it convenient, and they are the ones in possession and control of all the purported evidence. While there may be copies in the document stash in the hands of Greenwald et al, they will be hard put to cite them in a form that can't be just refuted as fabrication.
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The procedures for the official channels
2. Report evidence to your supervisor.
3. Be ignored by supervisor.
4. Report evidence to oversight.
5. Wait for oversight board to cover up evidence, be chastised by your boss for going over his head.
6. Report evidence to Congress.
7. NSA will intimidate Congress into keeping the evidence on the down low, after all they have a record of everything every congressman has sent over the internet.
8. Get threatened by government goons.
9. Leak evidence to news outlet because the government is not going to let this out any other way.
10. Flee country, get called terrorist and Russian spy by Mike Rogers.
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9) travel to country you intend seeking asylum in
10) leak the evidence to news outlets.
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Lies VS Truth
Actually, this disclosure should escalate the official "Snowden is a Traitor" claims as well as the number of VIPs making them publicly.
And it may just earn Snowden an Obama-drone.
(I can't help but picture Obama sitting in the Star Trek Room, in the Captian's chair, yelling "Arm Photon Torpedoes", as he watches the drone's final appraoch to target.)
Standard Operational Procedure dictates, "When you're caught in a Very Big Lie, tell it more often and louder and get many very important people to swear it is the truth, so help them gawd."
When you have Meta-Dirt on everyone, its real easy to "convince" VIPs that its in their best interest to lend their support and lie to the public using their best "sincere" face.
Remember, it is these officials and these VIPs whose statements will eventually make up history, and thus form the basis for the truth as it is known to future generations. And it really works. This is why we are always doomed to repeat history's errors.
It is absolutely impossible for the Fed and its tri-letter agencies to admit the truth. Policy dictates that they must escalate and embellish the lie when confronted by truth, regardless of the evidence that supports it.
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