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Finally, Someone Acts Like An Adult: District Attorney Drops Charges Against Bullied Teen Who Recorded His Tormentors

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Fri, Apr 18th 2014 5:33pm — Tim Cushing

South Fayette School in Pennsylvania, along with a complicit criminal justice system, recently made headlines with its groundbreaking anti-bullying program, which apparently deters bullying by punishing bullied students.

Here's a short recap:

A bullied student used an iPad to make an audio recording of other students abusing him. He brought this to school administration who a) called in a police officer (after being advised by its legal team that this might be a violation of the state's wiretapping law) and b) deleted the recording.

The police officer, unable to actually bring a felony charge against the minor, settled for disorderly conduct. This charge brought him before a judge, who first stated her firm belief in the school's inability to do wrong before finding him guilty.

Throughout the entire debacle, not a single person involved even considered the possibility that the student had committed no crime or the fact that he had followed all of the school's prescribed steps for reporting bullying incidents. Instead, the desire to punish someone was obliged every step of the way.

Finally, someone within the justice system has chosen to act like an adult, rather than a bunch of clique-y, vindictive children.

Stanfield (the student) had announced that he and his attorney would file an appeal to that ruling but his fight may already be coming to an end. Today, Benswann.com has been told by Stanfield’s attorney that the District Attorney will allow the appeal to go forward but will no longer pursue this case.

More specifically, both the wiretapping charge (which was apparently still brought despite the involved officer's statement otherwise) and the disorderly conduct charge (which the judge found the student guilty of) were dropped.

A wiretapping charge against a South Fayette High School student who recorded two classmates bullying him has been dropped by the Allegheny County District Attorney's Office.

Mike Manko, a spokesman for District Attorney Stephen Zappala, said Judge Robert Gallo signed an order Thursday to withdraw the citation against 15-year-old Christian Stanfield.

"No one in our office who is authorized to give advice on wiretap issues or school conduct issues was ever contacted in this matter. We have made multiple attempts to contact the officer who wrote the citation and (the) results have been unsuccessful," Manko said in a written statement. "We do not believe this behavior rises to the level of a citation."

Odd that a police officer wouldn't talk to a district attorney. Unless, of course, a little bit of hindsight made him realize his every move fell between vindictive and buffoonish. Lt. Murka, who apparently considered both wiretapping and disorderly conduct to be appropriate "remedies" for a bullied student recording his tormentors, seems to have recused himself from the public eye. Manko, speaking for the DA, hits the heart of the issue -- one simple sentence that any of those involved could have deployed to call an end to this ridiculous situation before it ended up in front of a judge: "We do not believe this behavior rises to the level of a citation."

The school has now gone on record to declare it's everyone else who's wrong:

The South Fayette Township School District wishes to address recent reports in the local and national media concerning a student of the South Fayette Township School District. It is to be noted that certain information being disseminated by the media is inaccurate and/or incomplete.

Rather than clear up what exactly was "inaccurate and/or incomplete" about the reporting, it instead has chosen to hide behind "confidentiality."

The School District is legally precluded from commenting specifically in regard to these reports as the issue involves a confidential student matter.

Considering the story has been all over the news, it seems a bit weak to claim the matter is still "confidential." It would seem it could comment on any of the specifics already in the public domain. The story has gone nationwide, so it's disingenuous to pretend it's still a "confidential" matter.

While it's nice that the DA has dropped the charges and allowed the student to proceed through school without criminal charges hanging over his head, one wonders if this same outcome would have forthcoming without the attendant public outcry. Any adult can start acting like one with enough public shaming. But the application of a little common sense would have averted this incident completely.

A bit more troubling is one of the suggestions that escaped the lips of a local politician who showed up to the teen's "not a criminal" celebration.

State lawmaker Jesse White joined the rally, telling Stanfield he wants to name a law after him. He said it would close the loophole in the wiretapping law and allow victims of bullying to record it as proof for police and school officials.

His opportunistic heart's in the right place, but naming laws after people often indicates the new law is a bad one. This isn't an issue where a new law will fix things. This is an issue where no one in this chain of events showing the courage (and common sense) to stand up and ask why they were punishing a bullied kid for recording bullies.

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Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2014 @ 5:59pm

Back It UP!
Your first mistake, Mr. Stanfield, was in not backing the recording up, somewhere else. Now, who is going to address the issue of the destruction of evidence? This "school district" needs a huge lawsuit to stop this sort of thing in it's tracks.
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2014 @ 6:04pm

Ridiculous, doesn't even begin to describe this whole situation. South Fayette High School appears to be a public school, which means he recorded audio on public property.

Doesn't wiretapping laws apply to telephone conversations? I guess anyone who records high school football games, is an alleged felon according to the so-called 'judge' in Fayette county.

After all, modern day 'justice' systems aren't really about dealing 'justice'. They're about dealing out convictions. Nothing more.

In my local county, our court has over a 98% conviction rate. It doesn't matter if the original charges brought against someone sticks or not.

Around here, and I'm sure it's the same all over America, the Prosecutor will keep lowering the charges if you're falsely accused of a felony. They'll even lower it to a misdemeanor, but you're not walking out of the court house scott-free without being convicted of something.
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2014 @ 6:20pm

Did they ever deal with the bullies he recorded?
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mr. sim (profile), 18 Apr 2014 @ 6:20pm

the responding officer should have arrested the principal for conspiracy to commit child abuse, destruction of evidence, and intimating a witness. it's time these petty little dictators are taught that letting kids be bullied because they aren't on the "Favorites" list is a crime.
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Quiet Lurcker, 18 Apr 2014 @ 6:21pm

Re: Back It UP!
A civil suit is a very small step in the right direction; a slightly better idea would be for the entire staff of the district, from the newest hire to the head of the board of education in that district, the DA, the cop, the judge, everyone involved even indirectly to give up their salaries for six months - a pointed lesson that someone somewhere did something wrong. That might cause the people in charge to think twice before doing something this stupid again, for fear their colleagues would not approve.

And while we're at it, cancel extra-curricular activities at all levels until the entire staff of the district demonstrate proficiency in critical thinking.
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dave blevins (profile), 18 Apr 2014 @ 6:38pm

Re: deal with bullies
Bullies? What bullies? Show me the evidence of bullying!
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PopeRatzo (profile), 18 Apr 2014 @ 6:51pm

dumb statement
but naming laws after people often indicates the new law is a bad one

That's a dumb statement. There may have been dumb laws that were named after someone, but they're being named for someone didn't "indicate" anything.

There are also instances of good laws named after people. It's a way of getting public support for legislation, nothing more.
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2014 @ 8:04pm

Re: dumb statement
OK, Name ten. Considering the total number of laws on the books, that's less than one tenth of one percent.
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2014 @ 8:22pm

It might be interesting to know the family names of the bullies in question and find out if those families are prominent in the area. That would go a long ways toward explaining this fiasco.
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Apr 2014 @ 9:01pm

Re: dumb statement
Oh it indicates plenty actually. The best thing they had going for it was that it was named after high profile victim X. Talk about damning with faint praise.
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G Thompson (profile), 18 Apr 2014 @ 10:49pm

I might be cynical here though wouldn't the DA stating they will not pursue the case (ie: Not defend the appeal) be an easy CYA for the DA's office & the state so they don't get slapped down hard by the appelate courts and get a "with prejudice" loss too.

Any US attorneys wanna chime in with whether or not a with prejudice can be obtained if the DA doesn't make a showing?

Also the charge of disorderly conduct I would surmise cannot technically be dropped (only quashed maybe) since the defendant has already been found guilty of it by a lower court and has not gone to a higher court yet on appeal. Or does your sentencing/charge system work totally different than anywhere else?
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 1:56am

so why no mention of the idiot at the school who made the charges and called the police? i can only assume he/she is so ashamed of acting like a complete moron and the fact that the original story basically went viral, the persons name would follow?
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That Anonymous Coward (profile), 19 Apr 2014 @ 2:21am

School teaches valuable life lesson to someone who is 'different'. Do not expect those in power to have any concern if your rights are being abused if they feel it might reflect poorly on them. They will instead find a way to make sure that they and punish you for daring to bring to light their failings.

Bullies protecting Bullies.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 5:05am

DA - wants convictions.
Government prosecution of criminal offenses. Will use tactics like overcharging with unrelated and mostly ridiculous charges to acquire a guilty verdict via a "plea deal". Conviction rate is how he is judged.

Police Officer - wants criminals.
Is not a law specialist. Relies on other Government parties to tell him what to do. Getting the "criminal" is all he is interested in. Can use questionable tactics to get what he wants. His word will always be held as more important because he said it. Arrest rate is how he is judged.

School "board" - wants an APPEARING to be, perfect school.
No bullying exists at the school = "better school" = more funds = higher wages for those up top. Bullying is a problem for the school IF people find out that there is a bullying problem. In the same way that pupils who don't pass a test are a problem IF people find out. Education is irrelevant, only test results are relevant to them.
"Performance rate" in multiple(too many) areas is how they are judged.

They all use authoritarian methods to subjugate people to get what they want. The system more or less asks for it.
The DA can charge someone with apparently anything.
The cop can arrest a person for apparently anything using only his word.
The school can "discipline" a student for apparently anything.

I would check to see what else the school was doing. How many "low test scoring" pupils have been thrown out etc... ?
Not that you could do anything about it. The system sucks.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 5:11am

Re:
They are protecting their "level of bullying at this school" stats.

The kid probably didn't score too good on tests either. So not only was he trying to attack the schools "level of bullying at this school" stats, he also was attacking the schools "test result" stats.

Not justifying it. They are scumbags for being like that. They truly are the selfish scum of the earth.
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Spaceman Spiff (profile), 19 Apr 2014 @ 5:37am

Sue, Sue, Sue
I love Sue, but this is the other kind. I hope this kid and his family sues the school, school district, the officer involved, the police department, the city, and the judge who found him "guilty", and gets a gazillion $$ in compensation for their total stupidity! The citizens of the town deserve the cost because they either elected or hired the "officials" in question.
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trollificus (profile), 19 Apr 2014 @ 5:49am

He must have been asking for it.
I mean, look at this crap.

Other students at the school don't like him, bully him.

School administrators see the kid, and proof of bullying...and THEY bully him and call the cops on him!

Cop sees him, says "You must be guilty of something...one from column A, one from column B." and hauls him off.

Judge sees him, says "You're guilty of whatever they charged you with. Case closed."

Man, at every step of the way this poor kid elicits a real negative response-not just from the other kids, but from adults-in their PROFESSIONAL roles! The unanimity of negative response to this kid is mind-boggling. He should be studied. Maybe he emits some kind of pheremonal scent opposite that of babies or something. Alternatively, there's more to the story that hasn't come out. I'd suspect that, rather than the existence of some hitherto undiscovered "He Hate Me" gene.

Seriously though, the politicians' solution is alarming. It was a recording of public activity, in public-how is freaking "wiretap law" even invoked?? What "loophole" is he talking about? Sounds like a bad law we are to be grateful to politicians for carving little exceptions out of. Ugh.

Lastly, even the very best-reported "media narratives" are incomplete and unnuanced (somewhere in the range of, ooh...100% of the time). If a law needs to gain public support through appeal to the media narrative surrounding a well-known case rather than its merits...it's probably a bad law. So Tim's statement is not stupid at all.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 5:51am

"Deleted" does not mean gone forever. A little forensics might bring the recording back into the light of day... Good to see that even in the U.S., some days the dragon does not win. (:
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 7:05am

Anyone care to bet that the little a-hole that was the subject of the recording might be related to someone connected to City Hall, the PD, etc.?
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Mason Wheeler, 19 Apr 2014 @ 7:10am

Re:
Doesn't wiretapping laws apply to telephone conversations?

Exactly. This appears to be missing two necessary components for an act of wiretapping: a wire, and a tap.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 7:53am

Re: Re: dumb statement
I can think of one at the moment,
- The Sherman Antitrust Act
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 8:03am

Re: Re:
The "selfish scum of the earth" are those who put such policies in place. The school administration is given little latitude and apparently lacks fortitude required to do anything about it. Meanwhile, the teachers are blamed for most of what occurs even though they have little to no choice short of quitting. It's all part of the grand plan to destroy public education and replace it with corporate indoctrination.
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art guerrilla (profile), 19 Apr 2014 @ 9:59am

Re: Re:
well, no...
not so much a 'wiretapping' prohibition/notification law, as a RECORDING law which says both parties most be notified...
the means -wire or air or a laser reading window glass vibrations- is not the issue, notification is...
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art guerrilla (profile), 19 Apr 2014 @ 10:03am

Re:
as the article mentions, it is only because it became widely known that any positive result came about; what about the, what? -dozen?, hundred? thousand?- other similar situations which we don't hear about, or get successfully squashed with no one squawking ? ? ?
it is the WHOLE SYSTEM which is infected/infested by this false 'morality' and draconian punishment for non-crimes...
*AND* the mechanisms to oversee and correct these institutions has been broken or coopted; there is no recourse...
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 10:23am

I think Mr Stanfield's parents need to send him to self defense classes , I'm not blaming him In a perfect world he won't be bullied again but we know this world isn't perfect
and and the system is backwards in dealing with such issues
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Reality bites, 19 Apr 2014 @ 11:02am

Send him to concealed carry class then SYG laws apply
Stand your ground laws can be used for good too.
Next time the bully steps out of line shoot to kill.
Soon no more bullies.

Bullies have defective brains, they are cured by lead.
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alan turing, 19 Apr 2014 @ 11:33am

Re:
Then he's in trouble with the system all over again.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 11:48am

Re: dumb statement
The Clinton law against Flunitrazepam (roofies) is really retarded when it's just another anxiety/insomnia medication in the class of benzodiazepines, which there is already a huge variety of available, some even more amnesic in properties than Rohypnol. It was named after some women who got date-raped if I remember. That was retarded, I have more examples in mind but i'd need to research and i'm not feeling too well (damn, I hate spring, all that melting snow is releasing bacteria everywhere).
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 11:51am

Re:
Eh...the richest family in Canada is named Thompson. That's one hell of a generic last name.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 12:05pm

Re: He must have been asking for it.
If we're gonna be silly...remember that episode of the Simpsons (that was during the last good seasons, 12-13..so 10 years ago) where Lisa finds out that victims of bullying emit some sort of fear chemical in their sweat which attracts negative attention/beatings etc.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130224181311/simpsons/images/b/b4/Francine_Attacks_Lisa.JPG

Yeah that's the one. If only it was so simple.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 12:07pm

Re:
If I can do it with EASUS Data Recovery Pro, I'm not sure that's even forensics if anybody can do it.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 12:12pm

Re:
Indeed, this smart little guy who went to the same high school as me had problems not with bullies at school (they somehow start dropping off/going to tech schools that only require a grade 10/11 to enter) in his neighbourhood, where, excuse the word, but they're a reality, wiggers started to fuck with him in the streets as he was walking to a bus stop. 5 on 1. What they didn't know was that he was a Taekwondo Black Belt, he got rid of all 5 in a flash, would be hard to believe he could do that when you looked at him, but yeah, I encourage every kid out there that has bullying problems to take martial arts classes. Not only does it strengthen you physically, but also mentally where ignoring (non-physical) bullying becomes a very easy thing, resorting to violence (self-defense) is only a "no other choice" situation.
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Letemdangle (profile), 19 Apr 2014 @ 2:13pm

I remember complaining as a child about getting bullied. The teachers didn't care then and they don't now. The bullied complain and they are usually the least liked by staff and students. So the teachers who still carry around the "I want to be popular" side with the more popular kids who are usually the ones doing the bullying.
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Letemdangle (profile), 19 Apr 2014 @ 2:13pm

I remember complaining as a child about getting bullied. The teachers didn't care then and they don't now. The bullied complain and they are usually the least liked by staff and students. So the teachers who still carry around the "I want to be popular" side with the more popular kids who are usually the ones doing the bullying.
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Letemdangle (profile), 19 Apr 2014 @ 2:17pm

Re: Re:
Try to sell that to a school board. They'll just suspend the kid for fighting. I still support a kid fighting back, but the kid will get a record that will follow him through his school career.
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Letemdangle (profile), 19 Apr 2014 @ 2:19pm

Re: Re: Back It UP!
You can't fix stupid. I've tried on many fronts. Simply not possible.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 2:58pm

Re: Re: Re:
even so... It's still called "throwing someone under the bus" to preserve stats.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 3:58pm

Re: Back It UP!
Its, not it's
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Doodmonkey, 19 Apr 2014 @ 4:21pm

original intent of wiretapping laws
The greatest thing about the narrative of this story is these laws were created because of bad police actios. Created to stop police from doing warrantless wiretaps. So now they're using these laws again against us. It just seems to happen over and over again the police.
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Anonymous, 19 Apr 2014 @ 4:34pm

Re: Re: Re: dumb statement
I antitrust anything the government does.
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Anonymous, 19 Apr 2014 @ 4:40pm

Re:
And people wonder why schools get shot up.
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aerilus, 19 Apr 2014 @ 5:06pm

Re:
most states have wiretapping laws where only one party's consent is needed to record the conversation. so the only one who can't record is the one in the conversation. if this isn't the case in this state, instead of making a new law they should be switching to a system that most of the rest of the country is already on.
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Anonymous Coward, 19 Apr 2014 @ 6:59pm

I wonder if the kids that shot up Columbine were dealing with shit like this.
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KRA, 19 Apr 2014 @ 8:23pm

I wonder
If this was all kept quiet (not in local and national news), I wonder if the DA would have gone along with the rest of the power structure on this one. That office did, evidently, allow the kid to be prosecuted in the first place.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Apr 2014 @ 6:18am

Re: Re: dumb statement
Megan's Law.
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Dreddsnik, 20 Apr 2014 @ 10:51am

Re: Re:
"Doesn't wiretapping laws apply to telephone conversations?"

In Illinois, the act of recording a public conversation without the knowledge and consent of those recorded violates 'wiretapping' laws here. My theory is that too many politicians were being caught lying on tape and so the law was created to protect them from their own words.

Just a theory.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Apr 2014 @ 7:15am

Schools ignore bullying until one of the bullied kids goes on a shooting rampage and then they act like they didn't know. I wonder how much of this is done to cover their own asses should something occur.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Apr 2014 @ 7:16am

Re:
I thought the same thing when I read this.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Apr 2014 @ 7:27am

Re: Re:
What do you expect when all the laws are being written by corporations for corporate interests. They don't apply well to people anymore. Even the ones that do apply to people are hard to understand by the justice system, because the primary concern is protecting the capitalist establishment.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Apr 2014 @ 7:31am

Re:
Seems like they just outlawed the nightly news to me.
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Ben, 21 Apr 2014 @ 2:14pm

Tampering?
One has to wonder how they thought a wiretapping charge would stand when there was no evidence because they deleted it. And if they then got on the stand to swear under threat of perjury that there had been an illegal recording made, wouldn't they then be admitting to tampering with evidence in a criminal investigation?

I kind of wish they would push the case forward just so they can make the cop and principal admit in court that they tampered with evidence.
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phwest, 21 Apr 2014 @ 2:21pm

It's stories like this that convince me most school administrators are WAY overpaid. Anyone with this quality of judgment shouldn't be employed in a position of authority, and if they are "enforcing policy" then they should be paid minimum wage, since by their own admission they can't be trusted with discretion.
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TMLutas (profile), 21 Apr 2014 @ 2:23pm

The recording was legal
Here's the kicker, the recording was entirely legal in the state of Pennsylvania. I actually looked up the law and blogged about it here:
http://flit-tm.blogspot.com/2014/04/dont-skip-looking-up-law.html

Title 18 Section 5704 Subsection 17

Any victim, witness or private detective licensed under the act of August 21, 1953 (P.L.1273, No.361), known as The Private Detective Act of 1953, to intercept the contents of any wire, electronic or oral communication, if that person is under a reasonable suspicion that the intercepted party is committing, about to commit or has committed a crime of violence and there is reason to believe that evidence of the crime of violence may be obtained from the interception.
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PacRim Jim, 21 Apr 2014 @ 3:01pm

PA --> PU
I remember when Pennsylvania was crowded with babbling idiots.
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GMC70, 21 Apr 2014 @ 3:06pm

Re: dumb statement
nope. The surest sign that a law is a bad law is that they had to name it after someone. If it won't stand on its feet without the rallying cry of the named "victim," its a dumb law.

Jessica's Law.

Adam Walsh act.

Need I go on?
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Deserttrek, 21 Apr 2014 @ 3:37pm

there needs to be a list
needs to be a list of all officials, elected, appointed, or hired who violate the rights of citizens. just like sex offenders, the school officials, cops, and judge need to be removed from their jobs,and put on a list so they may never ever work in these fields again.
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willis, 21 Apr 2014 @ 3:59pm

Lt. Manko's citation was consistent with police who find themselves in the same situation as their fellow bullies in the classroom. Citizens caught "wiretapping" the police bullying someone are often arrested and cited for illegal recording of a police officer's crime.
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CBDenver, 21 Apr 2014 @ 4:18pm

Re: The School Idiot
Agreed. I had heard that a school attorney was the one who suggested the criminal charges against the student who recorded the bullying. The school police officer followed that advice. Who was that school attorney? He/she is the one who should be shamed publicly.
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Eric, 21 Apr 2014 @ 5:02pm

Re: Back It UP!
Actually, in the original news story that I read, Stanfield's mother made a copy of the recording. The evidence still exists.
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Douglasfir, 21 Apr 2014 @ 9:51pm

The DA Must Not Be A Democrat!
A conservative/libertarian would never be such a ridiculous nannying bully and bureaucratic nitwit as those on the left have proven, over and over, to be.
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Doubting Rich, 22 Apr 2014 @ 1:57am

What do you mean, nationwide? I am in England and read the earlier report, agog. We can be thankful that sense has prevailed, but I have sympathy for the poor kid bullied by his peers then bullied by the school, police and "criminal" "justice" system.
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Apr 2014 @ 4:41am

Re: PA --> PU
Do you remember a time when it wasn't crowded with babbling idiots? (PA native here)
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Manual Paleologos, 22 Apr 2014 @ 4:41am

The Real criminals, here
The school principal, the arresting cop (I won't dignify him with the title "Officer."), and all the members of the school Board, should be fired, should lose their pensions, and should be prohibited from ever working within 1,000 yards of a child.
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Eric Rasmusen, 22 Apr 2014 @ 7:48am

Re: I wonder
That's a very good question. I'd like to know if the district attorney was contacted earlier and refused to intervene on behalf of the bullied child.

The comments in this thread are good. I don't know that a civil suit would do any good (what would the damages be?), but the district attorney should be made to answer the question of why he won't prosecute the principal for destroying evidence.
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Tom Billings, 22 Apr 2014 @ 11:41am

Re: The Bullies, versus "the Recorder"
Before you ask that, remember that bullies often bully specifically because they know the student will get no backup from the school administration. This is especially the case if the bullied student was born on high functioning end of the Autistic Spectrum. As I heard many times between 7th grade and Senior Year, ..."you've just got to learn how to get along" is the most such a student can get out of any administrator. Add to this, ...were the bullies prominent members of one of the schools jock teams?

Recording *anyone* in favor, doing something that would get them in trouble if the administrator cannot just dismiss it with the above reply to the bullied child sparks particular outrage in many police today. They don't like being recorded themselves when bullying, and want to establish that it is outside social norms. So, if neither the administrator or the police liked what the bullied child was doing, it becomes far more clear why we got the reaction seen in this case. Praise to the young man for standing up to them!
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richard40 (profile), 22 Apr 2014 @ 2:51pm

Re:
Good comment, and you made me think of something else. Proud parents are always recording their kids performance in the school play or sing along. They can probably not avoid recording other kids than theirs, and I doubt if they get releases from all of them. Does that make these parents felons.
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Pragmatic, 23 Apr 2014 @ 3:27am

Re: Re: He must have been asking for it.
Actually, you do produce a "fear chemical" when you're scared. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090306142536.htm

However, it's body language and general behavior/demeanor that draw the bullies in. Basically, expecting to be bullied creates a self-fulfilling prophesy. I discovered this as a before-and-after when I learned to stand up for myself instead of just taking it on the chin and hoping it would go away or trying to ingratiate myself with bullies (neither of which ever worked).
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Pragmatic, 23 Apr 2014 @ 3:48am

Re: Send him to concealed carry class then SYG laws apply
Whut? This is what "overkill" means. It's out of proportion, buddy.

Sheesh! Why do people think violence is a handy one-size-fits-all solution to everything? Bear in mind that bullies can get guns, too.

Enhanced bullying for the purposes of standing one's ground, here we come! Because gun ownership is a human right, or something.
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Pragmatic, 23 Apr 2014 @ 3:50am

Re: The DA Must Not Be A Democrat!
What, like Reality bites, Apr 19th, 2014 @ 11:02am above? Uh, no.
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