City Of London Police Keep Shutting Down Websites With No Court Order
from the how-is-that-legal? dept
We've highlighted a number of stories recently about the City of London Police, who have partnered with a few legacy players from the entertainment industry, and are using a bunch of taxpayer money to try to shut down websites the copyright industry doesn't like -- based on no clear legal reasoning or authority. They often seem to just rely on their name and bogus threats to get registrars to kill sites -- a process that has been found to violate ICANN policies for registrars. However, most registrars just give in, because the City of London Police just look so damn official.Over the weekend TorrentFreak noted that a few more sites have been shuttered based on no court order, no judicial findings, but just the City of London Police's say so. This includes FileCrop, a site that hosted no infringing files at all, but which is just a search engine. Once again, the police make no effort whatsoever to hide the fact that they're doing the bidding of the legacy entertainment industry -- directly linking to their favored sites and flat out saying that they're supported by BPI, IFPI, FACT and the Publishers Association.
Perhaps even more troubling is the fact that this censorship is proudly done to support legacy industries who see the internet as something to be shunned and attacked. How would people respond if the City of London Police suddenly, with no court order, shut down BSkyB and proudly announced it was doing so with the support of the BBC? Or shut down AirBnB and announced it was doing so with the support of the British Hospitality industry? Or shut down EasyJet and did so with the support of British Air? Wouldn't people be outraged?
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Filed Under: city of london police, domains, restistrars, search engines, takedowns
Companies: bpi, fact, filecrop, icann, ifpi, publishers association
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City of London does not equal what most people think of as London. It's basically a couple city blocks where the original London was over 1000 years ago. My description wouldn't do it justice, so go to CGP Grey's youtube channel, he has 2 or 3 videos on it that explain in detail what it is (and yes, he cites his references).
And again, I'm just quibbling over the inference that taxpayers wouldn't be supportive of those actions. I personally find them to be reprehensible.
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Corporate Bribery
The funny part is when the left calls for more power for govt to regulate big business, which of course only grants more power to extort more businesses into the whole corrupt enterprise-- not less.
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Thus Tax-Payer = every tax-payer in UK not quite as you describe but the connotations are true.
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What is the tax-free part?
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Visit Washington? You must be joking, I guess I'll have to continue talking of my arse.
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(Not that Prince Roy would tolerate such shenanigans.)
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What about the taxpayers in other parts of London and the UK who are not supportive of the websites being shut down? Shouldn't they get a say? The actions taken don't just affect the City.
The problem isn't the police and taxpayer resources being wasted on actions that will never achieve the supposed aim, it's the fact that these sites are being shuttered with no due process on the say-so of a biased 3rd party. Who pays the enforcement bill is irrelevant.
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Spread the word
Bending to the whims of a pack of technological dinosaurs who despise the technology [the Internet] your very business model relies on is bad for business in the long run.
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Wouldn't people be outraged?
Just not the 'right' people.
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Mike Masnick still thinks he can pretend iTunes, amazon, netflix, spotify, beats, etc etc, don't exist and that punishing guilty parties involved in infringement is about entertainment companies not liking the internet.
Totally convincing, Masnick. Keep up the great work...
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When has vigilante action been the best way forward for society, because the actions under discussion are no more than vigilante actions, carried out by a small police force at the behest of large companies.
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You're a complete fucking moron, aren't you? Move out of your parent's basement and get a life.
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You're the moron here.
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You retain the moron trophy. Congratulations!
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You can only arrest people. You seize property. If you get arrested, there is still due process, i.e. warrant, breathalyzer, etc. You are only allowed to seize property if a) you have a warrant or b) if it appears to be evidence. Neither criteria is met here, there is barely even a crime.
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You can only arrest people. You seize property. If you get arrested, there is still due process, i.e. warrant, breathalyzer, etc. You are only allowed to seize property if a) you have a warrant or b) if it appears to be evidence. Neither criteria is met here, there is barely even a crime.
So you jaywalk or spit on the sidewalk there won't be a warrant or breathalyzer. Unexplained, large amounts of cash get seized all of the time. And like it or not, property does not have the same presumption of innocence as a person.
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Vigilante justice" is rationalized by the idea that adequate legal mechanisms for criminal punishment are either nonexistent or insufficient. Vigilantes typically see the government as ineffective in enforcing the law; such individuals often claim to justify their actions as a fulfilment of the wishes of the community.
Describes the actions rather well.
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You cant enforce the LAW without a COURT.
Fuck you.
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I'm sure the rights holders would be happy to greet them on the courthouse steps with a few subpoenas of their own.
But they located their site in Ukraine for a reason, so I don't expect they'll do shit in a UK court.
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Here in the U.K. the police can only hold such finds for a limited time, unless they can produce enough evidence to proceed to court. If they cannot find evidence of illegality and bring charges within a limited time, they have to return the cash or other sized property.
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Never-mind this troll who cannot parse that there was no court case and therefore no guilty party.
Oh well, proper fertilization requires good manure.
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Try again, Lowery.
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If I run a red light and lose my license, my friend can still use my car.
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Yeah, you can just have your property removed until you go to court at your own expense. that's justice, alright.
That's astounding stupid, even for you.
"Yuri knows"
Cite?
Look, you can argue all you want, but you're an utter failure at guessing the actions, motivations and opinions of others. You're always wrong.
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That's astounding stupid, even for you.
God, you're a moron Paul. What happens when you get stopped by a traffic cop and he finds a large bag of money in the back seat? You know it gets confiscated.
And how do you get it back? You go to court at your own expense. The law is different on the internet. Sorry.
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No, I don't. I've never looked into the rules when driving, to be honest as they've never affected me. I know the rules for customs though, and they sure as hell don't allow indefinite seizure unless accompanied by a court order.
Maybe that's fine in your screwed up country, but we're not talking about that. In the civilised world I'd hope that it only gets seized if there's other charges and/or evidence of other criminal activity, or at least the opportunity to prove that I got it through legal means. Not because a civilian 3rd party claims it's suspicious.
Again, you apparently think it's OK for someone to have their property seized forever because someone "thinks" there might be something wrong, not because a person is proven to be breaking the law. It's telling that you not only don't see the problem here, but actively defend it.
Oh well, at least you're basing an argument on reality this time rather than whatever idiotic fantasy about me jumps into your head. That's a start.
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Mike Masnick still thinks he can pretend iTunes, amazon, netflix, spotify, beats, etc etc, don't exist and that punishing guilty parties involved in infringement is about entertainment companies not liking the internet.
Totally convincing, Masnick. Keep up the great work...
Couldn't be more true. And pretending that filecrop is some innocent bystander is one more of Masnick's litany of excuse-making for grifters, charlatans and crooks. Filecrop is a database of all the cyberlockers out there. It basically searches through the web for infringing files and stores links and the source of the link in its database. You search the name of a file and filecrop search through all those cyber locker (megaupload, fileserver, hotfile, filesonic) and provide you a list of download links it found, for you to download.
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Same info is available elsewhere.
Search engines are not illegal.
Oh, and, citation please.
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If we wanted to sit around and call people names, we could point out that these labels can be easily applied to record labels, movie studios and book publishers, all of whom have a long and inglorious history of ripping artists and consumers off for their own monetary gain. You have no moral high ground here so stop acting like you do.
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No. That's *your* thing, not Masnick's.
You need to stop lying.
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He admits they all exist. After your backward heroes have stopped spending their lives trying to force iTunes to change their pricing to make up for imaginary losses, withholding content from all of those sources, restrict them geographically, whine that giving them 80%+ of their grosses isn't enough profit, etc., then maybe we can address some of the other real reasons why these other services exist in the first place.
But, every time these are brought up, liars like yourself attack the people pointing out that making content available is the best way to stop infringement as being "pirates". That's why you always fail. You can't even address the words people are really saying, let alone the reality of the modern marketplace.
"Filecrop is a database of all the cyberlockers out there."
So, a search engine. You admit that Filecrop don't store files themselves, they only link elsewhere. You admit that they list all files on the cyberlockers, legal or not. You admit that someone finding a file through that service will have to go to a different source to download the content. You admit that the service only returns results of what the person is looking for, that they don't encourage them to look at specific content. In other words, you admit that everything they do is already available elsewhere, and shutting them down has no effect on piracy.
Why do you insist on attacking 3rd parties in ways that will have no positive effect on sales rather than addressing the real problems?
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obvious troll is obvious though I guess
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I guess such consideration only applies to grifters, huh? You know what they do wouldn't withstand full legal scrutiny but you don't care because most probably get away with it and it means you and your freeloading friends can continue to enjoy the creative output of others without paying a single dime.
Eat shit, you slimy piracy apologist.
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Really now, might want to make sure your own arguments can't be turned against you so easily in the future, or don't be surprised when your comments do nothing more than showcase your double-standards when it comes to the law.
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It's extraordinary how the 'arguments' some of the more vocal anti-piracy, pro-copyright types devolve so quickly into childish insults and name-calling. It's like listening to an under-achieving teenager. You're trying to convince us that we shouldn't take stuff for free and should give you money instead, and this is the approach you think will work?
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Now why is The City of London Police getting a website suspended and shutdown when the website in question has already been previously blocked months previously by the ISP's in the UK by a High Court ruling to block access to the website. What a waste of effort to shutdown a website by a country to whom access from to the website is already blocked and no access can be made.
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I would also prefer to have PIPCU face the law that they are choosing to ignore and abuse. How a third person can do that is hard to say when I have no financial stake.
So only bitching and moaning here or there. Maybe a petition to politicians could help pointing out how PIPCU ignores the law and justice.
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I am not a fan of the IRS or the Tea Party but that sort of thing ain't right. What about the Benghazi massacre and the ensuing cover up.
It is like Girls Gone Wild with governments. I want to see Barack Obama give Putin a little tongue.
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The site itself isn't deleted, but any attempt to go to foo.com will go to the squatter/hollywood/city of London landing page.
However, foo can buy foo.info and put the site back up under a different name.
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Since we don't really have a federal law-enforcement agency in Britain, the two police forces in the capital get to do a lot of stuff that the US would hand to the FBI or the Secret Service; lots of domestic anti-terrorism work is handled by the Special Branch of the London Metropolitan Police, for example, because they supply the security details for government officials and visiting diplomats.
And the City of London Police? Well, since their beat covers an area with the most banks and corporate headquarters per square mile in the entire country, they do most of the criminal investigations for fraud and other 'economic crime' that goes on in this country.
Something to think about next time we hear of a multinational getting caught fixing the inter-bank lending rate or laundering money for Mob, isn't it: Did someone get a tip-off, but couldn't follow up because the computer forensics unit were all occupied hassling people for bootlegging porn?
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Come on now, you can do better than this!
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If its being done with no authority
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Robyn of Locksley would be so proud; Robert Peel not so much.
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If the police are shutting it down, then let's get real here, the sites contain illegal pirated software and media.
Furthermore, the author has offered no evidence supporting his claim that these sites are in fact down and not just a local hardware issue. Did the author try to restart his cable modem? What about pinging google.com from the command line? There is no information provided, so it is impossible to determine if this was or was not just an local outage.
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Just because the police shut something down does not automatically make it illegal or even civilly incorrect, especialyl when there are no warrants or pre-judicial hearings.
And really, straw man of it being a tech support issue?
For all the money these illegal monopolies make, you'd think they could buy better shills.
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U.K police
as i know there was a notice on every link..that if you see any copyright infringement let us know.
so the site was never responsible to violate any law and being indulged any kind of criminal activities.
now the registrar should file a case of bribery on u.k police to being a victim of taking bribe from sponsors.
sponsors should contact to registrar to take his product link down.
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