USTR Pushes Congress To Approve Trade Deals... But Threatens Reps With Criminal Prosecution If They Tell The Public What's In Them
from the transparency! dept
For years now, we've been trying to understand why the US Trade Rep (USTR) is so anti-transparency with its trade negotiations. It insists that everything it's negotiating be kept in near total secrecy until everything is settled, and the public can no longer give input to fix the problems in the agreement. It's a highly questionable stance. Whenever this criticism is put to the USTR directly, it responds by saying that it will listen to anyone who wants to come and talk to the USTR. But, as we've explained multiple times, "listening" is about information going into the USTR. "Transparency" is about information coming out of the USTR. They're not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.As the fight over new trade agreements gets louder and louder, a key stumbling block is having Congress approve so-called "fast track authority" or "Trade Promotion Authority," which basically means that Congress can't even jump in to try to fix the problems in whatever the USTR negotiates -- it can only give a straight "yes" or "no" vote on the entire package. For reasons that aren't entirely clear, Congressional Republicans are all for this, even though it means directly giving up Congress's Constitutional authority to a President that the Republicans appear to hate. Meanwhile, Democrats seem reasonably skeptical of these new trade deals.
So the White House and the USTR have been pushing a charm offensive on Congressional Democrats concerning these trade deals, but the charm offensive also comes with this rather startling statement: if you reveal what we're telling you, you may go to jail:
As the Obama administration gives House Democrats a hard sell on a major controversial trade pact this week, it will be doing so under severe conditions: Any member of Congress who shares information with the public from a Wednesday briefing could be prosecuted for a crime.Yes, the USTR has declared that the briefing is entirely classified. Why? Mainly to keep the details secret from the American public. As Rep. Alan Grayson notes:
"It is part of a multi-year campaign of deception and destruction. Why do we classify information? It's to keep sensitive information out of the hands of foreign governments. In this case, foreign governments already have this information. They're the people the administration is negotiating with. The only purpose of classifying this information is to keep it from the American people."The USTR's lame response to all of this is that any member of Congerss is allowed to come to its office and see the text of the negotiating documents. But that's misleading in the extreme. As we've discussed before, the USTR tells elected officials that they can't copy anything, take any notes, or even bring staff experts on trade agreements (or related issues)... even when those staffers have security clearance.
We pointed out this was a problem back in 2012 and it appears to be ongoing. The Huffington Post article above quotes Rep. Rosa DeLauro who appears to be having the same problem:
"Even now, when they are finally beginning to share details of the proposed deal with Members of Congress, they are denying us the ability to consult with our staff or discuss details of the agreement with experts. This flies in the face of how past negotiations have been conducted and does not help the Administration’s credibility. If the TPP would be as good for American jobs as they claim, there should be nothing to hide."Rep. Lloyd Doggett also seems amazed that his staffers with security clearance are blocked from getting information about the TPP agreement:
"I tried to find out what level of classification applies," he said. "Can my top cleared staff read it? If he can hear about ISIS, is there something in here that prevents him from seeing these trade documents?"It really does make you wonder, once again, just what is the USTR hiding here? There is simply no reason to keep these details secret -- except if you know that the American public won't approve of them.
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Sarcasm aside, your comment is dead on, if they're being this secret at this stage, claiming that even people with high security clearance aren't allowed access to the documents because they're 'just too sensitive to be talked about', there is no way they'll make them public should they manage to shove them through a well paid congress. Instead, at that point expect nothing less than a continuation of the total secrecy, with any details requiring lawsuits to pry lose.
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I mean, it's always the CIA.
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I think it could only ever be aired like this.
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"Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy;"
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No problem. It doesn't have to. Just another secret law to go along with secret courts, secret indictments, etc., etc...
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The above cannot be enforced...
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They may or may not able to obtain a conviction, but they can ruin a person with prosecution alone.
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Hatred doesn't spend well, money does
It's simple enough to explain when you think about it. 'Hatred' doesn't make 'donations' or 'campaign contributions'. 'Hatred' doesn't offer lucrative positions once you're out of office. 'Hatred' doesn't host lavish 'fund-raisers' or offer other completely-above-board(promise) perks to 'friends'.
Basically, as much as they may hate Obama, they love their money and power even more, so in this case at least they're willing to put the hatred aside and focus on the money.
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Who contributes most to Republicans? Large multi-national corporations.
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Like the Democrats aren't on the take, also?
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If the USTR was keeping military agreements secret it would make sense. The entire thing, specially if it may need legislative changes makes absolutely no sense.
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i.e. "the enemy"
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"Double Secret Probation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0cF2piwjYQ
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FUD ignores the Speech and Debate Clause
And that's probably the crux of it. No Congressional member thinks this is the ditch worth dying in. Especially if there's no chance the fast track will be passed by both bodies AND signed by the president.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause
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Indict the USTR
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That's exactly what someone should do to call their bluff against threats of prosecution.
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USTR == Clusterfsck + !@#$storm; cognitive meltdown guaranteed.
Don't mince words. It's either insane or illegal or both. Taxpayers pay USTR's and his boss' salary! Everything the USTR does, and how it demands it done, is ridiculous. How politicians get away with !@#$ like this, I don't know. They should be laughed out of town when they present it for consideration. The whole thing's a pathetic farce!
Reminds me of civil forfeiture. Insane on its face.
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Is this fscked up or what? WTF is going on in Washington? Are you people crazy?
If only there was some sort of nationwide investigation thingie that would look into anomalies such as this ...
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The cynic in me...
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Isn't that a shady car-salesman trick? Tell you to sign something without reading/understanding the fine print?
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Who are the terrorists here?
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USA Pigstie, 2015.
Sure, there is. Who's pushing the USTR to implement this? They want to keep their names out of it letting the USTR carry the spear instead. I wonder why? I'll guess Hollywood and Big Pharma are in front. I'll guess there's plenty of other "moochers" standing right behind them cheering it on.
You've created a uniquely accessible form of government, USA, but for special interests, not you. Kind of stinks of Imperial Rome, but whatever works right?
Sorry for this but, wallow in it.
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What do we do?
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My Senators are Boxer and Feinstein, so... I'm not going to bother contacting them.
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I may be repeating myself, but ...
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on the Plus Side
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Is it just me or is Barack Obama getting more and more ridiculous as time goes by?
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Scary
Horrifying.
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If "listening" was the same as "transparency", the NSA would qualify as the most "transparent" organization in the world.
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Yet another step toward Communism.
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Capacity and secrecy
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I wonder how that can be?
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http://org.salsalabs.com/o/1439/content_item/freetpp
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The ones pushing it should be arrested on charges of suspicion of treason
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USTR, et. al.
For months now, I've been trying to understand what TechDirt doesn't understand about the nature of the government alphabet bureaucracy.
Hint: It's what you get when you cede individual rights to third parties, who once ensconced in power begin to look after their own interests, instead of yours.
But there is Masnick, and the majority of commenters, failing to see that the failure was in the initiation of the USTR and that everything following on is just an endless soap opera of finger pointing and ill-informed accusations respecting the conduct of the USTR that will never be resolved. The creation of the political institution establishes a de facto corrupt entity that every avowed stakeholder will seek to hold sway over.
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For reasons that aren't entirely clear, Congressional Republicans are all for this, even though it means directly giving up Congress's Constitutional authority to a President that the Republicans appear to hate.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You can't give these people the benefit of the doubt. As for what's in the agreement, follow the money trail from Fast Track enthusiasts to their campaign donors. It's pretty much anything that benefits those guys.
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ISIS: the Top Secret Terrorist Organization.
Personally, I'd like very much to know what kind of secret information his top cleared staff can hear about ISIS, that the run of the mill American Citizen is not allowed to hear.
That would be very interesting methinks.
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