Senate Passes CISA, The Surveillance Bill Masquerading As A Cybersecurity Bill; Here's Who Sold Out Your Privacy
from the it's-not-over-yet dept
After rejecting all the good privacy amendments to CISA, the Senate has now officially passed the legislation by a 74 to 21 vote. About the only "good" news is that the vote is lower than the 83 Senators who voted for cloture on it last week. Either way, the Senate basically just passed a bill that will almost certainly be used mainly for warrantless domestic surveillance, rather than any actual cybersecurity concern.If you'd like to know which Senators voted for greater domestic surveillance, here's your list:
- Alexander (R-TN)
- Ayotte (R-NH)
- Barrasso (R-WY)
- Bennet (D-CO)
- Blumenthal (D-CT)
- Blunt (R-MO)
- Boozman (R-AR)
- Boxer (D-CA)
- Burr (R-NC)
- Cantwell (D-WA)
- Capito (R-WV)
- Carper (D-DE)
- Casey (D-PA)
- Cassidy (R-LA)
- Coats (R-IN)
- Cochran (R-MS)
- Collins (R-ME)
- Corker (R-TN)
- Cornyn (R-TX)
- Cotton (R-AR)
- Donnelly (D-IN)
- Durbin (D-IL)
- Enzi (R-WY)
- Ernst (R-IA)
- Feinstein (D-CA)
- Fischer (R-NE)
- Flake (R-AZ)
- Gardner (R-CO)
- Gillibrand (D-NY)
- Grassley (R-IA)
- Hatch (R-UT)
- Heinrich (D-NM)
- Heitkamp (D-ND)
- Hirono (D-HI)
- Hoeven (R-ND)
- Inhofe (R-OK)
- Isakson (R-GA)
- Johnson (R-WI)
- Kaine (D-VA)
- King (I-ME)
- Kirk (R-IL)
- Klobuchar (D-MN)
- Lankford (R-OK)
- Manchin (D-WV)
- McCain (R-AZ)
- McCaskill (D-MO)
- McConnell (R-KY)
- Mikulski (D-MD)
- Moran (R-KS)
- Murkowski (R-AK)
- Murphy (D-CT)
- Murray (D-WA)
- Nelson (D-FL)
- Perdue (R-GA)
- Peters (D-MI)
- Portman (R-OH)
- Reed (D-RI)
- Reid (D-NV)
- Roberts (R-KS)
- Rounds (R-SD)
- Sasse (R-NE)
- Schatz (D-HI)
- Schumer (D-NY)
- Scott (R-SC)
- Sessions (R-AL)
- Shaheen (D-NH)
- Shelby (R-AL)
- Stabenow (D-MI)
- Thune (R-SD)
- Tillis (R-NC)
- Toomey (R-PA)
- Warner (D-VA)
- Whitehouse (D-RI)
- Wicker (R-MS)
- Baldwin (D-WI)
- Booker (D-NJ)
- Brown (D-OH)
- Cardin (D-MD)
- Coons (D-DE)
- Crapo (R-ID)
- Daines (R-MT)
- Franken (D-MN)
- Heller (R-NV)
- Leahy (D-VT)
- Lee (R-UT)
- Markey (D-MA)
- Menendez (D-NJ)
- Merkley (D-OR)
- Risch (R-ID)
- Sanders (I-VT)
- Sullivan (R-AK)
- Tester (D-MT)
- Udall (D-NM)
- Warren (D-MA)
- Wyden (D-OR)
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Filed Under: cisa, congress, cybersecurity, senate, surveillance
Reader Comments
The First Word
“Considering the point of the bill is to authorize secret surveillance programs that even Congress is not allowed to investigate, it may be tough to prove much. Well, until the next Snowden comes along.
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Considering the point of the bill is to authorize secret surveillance programs that even Congress is not allowed to investigate, it may be tough to prove much. Well, until the next Snowden comes along.
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A plague upon their houses.
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Remember kids: It's always, ALWAYS about the almighty dollar. Nothing else.
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Here it is again:
"I guess the internet whiners couldn't stop this one. Oh well. I anxiously await your proof of all the harm this will cause. I assume you'll hold yourself to the same level of rigor you expect others, like copyright owners, to demonstrate. LOL! Of course you won't. You never do."
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Anyone have any ideas?
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The FUD the tech industry is spreading is comical considering they collect more info about your life every single day than this bill ever would.
Don't be a stooge. It looks bad.
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If you mean people that understand technology then, no, that is a cynical, boring perspective.
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1. Virtually the entire Legislative branch exists to serve nothing more than itself. The response to the public's anger over the Snowden revelations was to ratchet up surveillance? Totally a dick move.
2. How fucking awesome is Oregon?
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Too bad the state above you screwed the pooch.
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Hopefully his down vote represents a change of heart, but the cynic in me tends to think otherwise.
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Bloody Traitors
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Hmm
This for me falls into the category of "Obama is coming for your guns!". 7 years after being elected, he hasn't come for the guns, but it doesn't stop pundits and some politicians from claiming it will happen any day now, so you better donate to the cause. The number of stories on this on Techdirt in the last 48 hours really shows that sort of twist on this one.
There are days when I think Techdirt is just hauling water for Wyden, or vice-versa. I can't help but think that 74 to 21 is a pretty clear indication of democracy in action, a large majority vote across party lines. If you don't agree with them, work to replace them. But publicly trying to shame them for their votes is a pretty low way to go. It sort of comes out of the Karl Rove playbook, don't discussion the issue, instead make it personal and make it nasty.
The great thing about democracy is that you can vote the bums out if you don't like them. If you want a fight to fight, then take that one up.
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In case you hadn't noticed, there is a difference between business and government. When a business treats customers poorly, said customers usually have an option. When government treats citizens poorly, what ya goin to do, move?
... and FUD? really? FUD is used to influence public opinion, which the "law makerz" clearly do not care about.
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"coming for your guns".. whatever, Whatever.
The simple matter is if there exists a liberty then someone, somewhere wants it corralled and if there exists a bit of identifiable information then, apparently, your governments *need* every last bit. To say *nothing* of the fact that sufficient information existed to prevent or drastically alter the events of 9/11 already only "not my fault" turns into fucktastik incursions into the very premise of freedom and liberty.
It's shameful that we seem to now be led by those that would prefer the use fear over facts to govern. Public shaming of representatives offends you? Consider your vote counted.. and all of the good that it will do. Shame on. My senators suck, absolutely.
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Also, are you really saying it's okay for the huge spying to be legalized even after Snowden revealed that they were abusing it all along?
This bill is like a governor enacting a law which states that police cannot investigate how much money he stole from a bank. Even though there are bankers claiming that they saw the governor walking out of the bank with huge sacks of cash.
Would you believe that governor? Would you seriously say "Well that old chap is just trying to protect himself. Those terrorist bankers are just trying to hurt muh freedumbs."?
Because that's what you're doing in not suspecting the big three letter agencies in this scenario. Especially after numerous reports citing them doing this exact thing, and especially after they work to make the thing they were caught doing 'legal' for the purpose of not being investigated for doing it.
Furthermore, Representatives ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY MUST be shamed for the things they vote for. If they vote for something backwards-ass completely braindead stupid, they DESERVE to be shamed for voting like a collection of corrupt bootlickers/boneheaded stone polishers. Where did you even imagine this idea that it's not okay to shame the people whose job is making informed decisions when they make poor choices regarding shoddy legislation?
Reminder, it isn't in contention if this is a poor choice or not. If you seriously think legislation that puts an agency beyond reproach is OK in any form of government, I would like to direct your attention to this nice "Soviet Union" place that had dozens of agencies that were equally protected and abused their power dozens of times throughout their history.
I hope you at least realize what you said was shortsighted, even if you don't agree entirely with me.
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"you can vote the bums out"
This myth is tired and has completely lost all its hot air. Perhaps you would like to address those living in heavily gerrymandered districts. Or maybe those who recently had to get new Ids at the DMV but the nearest offices had been closed. Disenfranchisement is the new favorite tool of the crazy caucus. So, please ... enough of the bullshit propaganda.
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Tech companies don't have the ability to incarcerate me. To take away my freedom or impose crippling financial penalties. The government does.
The only person spreading FUD here is you.
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No fucking shit, my anonymous big brained friend. I'd call you cap'n obvious but that's a far too generous rank.. even for that observation. And here I thought it was all about coke and hookers.. . wait.
.. encrypt and decentralize. At this juncture, it seems like that is the only way to even begin to resist. That and buy local as much as possible.. or use bitcoin .. or cash. Hm. Yeah, it's not looking good. .. But on the bright side you do look good in that volunteer seaman garb. "Me decks are ripe from the dung of yer like! arrr. And I've a brush for yee, mate. Tip to stern or I'll see yee churn, beneath my rudders deep."
Tally your hoes!
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.. The "protective perimeter" has developed itself a genuine god complex.
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Oh wait, that just makes people read it. I guess you must be an idiot.
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do we need another internet blackout?
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Guillotines.
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And below.
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Taxation without....
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Rand Paul
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Did someone in Jersey find a magic monkey paw?
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I anxiously await your proof of all the hacking incidents this bill stops.
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Um, actually that will (somewhat ridiculously) make you less safe. At least with this there are *some* limitations on what can be collected. Under EO 12333, the NSA has a free hand to collect data outside the US...
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We are still at the "dawn" of the electronic communication age. In the same manner as at the start of the age of the telephone and long distance, the congress sees the need to establish laws in regards to the medium, and to work to both meet the needs of the security of the people while respecting their rights under the constitution. It's a tricky business. The phone is a relatively simple concept and it took a very long time for both written law and the caselaw to back it up to be settled. There are still arguments in court all the time about the validity of a landline phone warrant.
History is important to understand.
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Or how about the gun restrictions that make some guns suddenly illegal to own. Or how about the gun registration that was then used to confiscate guns that were deemed illegal under the aforementioned new laws.
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All this running around and protesting various bills that are bad for the public is like the chickens running around the Perdue farm protesting that they don't want to be eaten, and the results will be exactly the same.
Short of a violent revolution (which will probably never happen due to apathy), nothing is going to change for the better. The government will just keep voting to give itself more and more power, and will continue to hand more and more power to the corporations that bribe them. Any concessions they make which seem to be in favor of the people are nothing more than a distraction.
You might as well go yell at a tornado, it will have about the same effect.
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Or how about the gun restrictions that make some guns suddenly illegal to own. Or how about the gun registration that was then used to confiscate guns that were deemed illegal under the aforementioned new laws."
-AC
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Especially ironic is the fact that Techdirt is using Google Analytics while they tinfoil hat rant about "privacy".
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How much more inept can these people be at their jobs?
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So effing what?
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But we still have the stooge that is Chris Christie.
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No. It's time to stop using those sorts of services entirely. It's long past time, actually.
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See his cloture roll-call here:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&s ession=1&vote=00281
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I cannot think of a single candidate that will stand up for the Constitution now.
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I've never once used Facebook.
But I use gmail, and youtube. hmm...
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Inhouse corruption is not a secret. If you even bothered to take a look into U.S. history, Government abuse and corporate sabotage are not myth. Our own government has confessed time and time again of wrongdoing.
Nobody is innocent unless proven otherwise.
If you don't believe this, buckle-up. You're in for a ride.
Or better yet, go read more about industry.
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Basic game theory
The reaction of anyone who still wants to protect their privacy is going to be to encrypt even more of their traffic and to stop using third party services wherever possible, meaning this law reduces both the governments ability to see what I'm doing and my security at the same time.
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I mean, of course, our government is wholly good and undeceiving. Just as our big corporate neighbors really think we should get the absolute best price value for our groceries, and internet service. Right? This is evidence enough for you, I'm sure.
If you lived under a rock.
Seriously. I'm waiting for facts to come out of you rather than assumptions.
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Yes, how dare we even consider holding our representatives accountable for their votes. Shame on us.
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First they came for...
But that's the way it's always been: the refuge of the oppressed comes from organized crime.
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Wow! That's really good!
Now call Masnick a hidbound reactionary. Just once? For posterity?
Please?
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Amazing. You're a regular TD reader and you pretend that the idea the government might someday abuse its authority to inappropriately spy on Americans is paranoid nonsense.
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When someone is running for president, he doesn't give two tiny hamster poops about the public, he cares about getting elected, and nothing else.
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But no one wants to be THAT tyrant or patriot.
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Who our representatives are is public knowledge, right?
And how they vote is also public knowledge, right?
See where I'm going with this?
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Please sort by state first, then last name?
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By voting for Lessig. Voting for either of the "chosen" candidates is a wasted vote.
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Re: A plague upon their houses.
(I'm sure that's what Shakespeare would have said today.)
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Michael Jackson
This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it. I can not be ignorant of the fact that many worthy and patriotic citizens are desirous of having the National Constitution amended.
Abraham Lincoln
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Spying
The (mass surveillance) by the NSA and abuse by law enforcement is just more part and parcel of state suppression of dissent against corporate interests. They're worried that the more people are going to wake up and corporate centers like the US and canada may be among those who also awaken. See this vid with Zbigniew Brzezinski, former United States National Security Advisor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZyJw_cHJY
Brezinski at a press conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWTIZBCQ79g
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MSN Services Agreement
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