President Obama Hints At Asking Silicon Valley To Magically Block Terrorists From Using Tech Products
from the not-good dept
As you probably know, last night President Obama gave a big address from the Oval Office about what he plans to do about ISIS, along with dealing with the threat of lone wolf and other attacks at home. Buried deep within (in fact, I missed it the first time through) was a nod towards the idea of pushing Silicon Valley to magically undermine encryption. Here's the entirety of what he said on the subject:I will urge high tech and law enforcement leaders to make it harder to use technology to escape from justice.That seems like a simple sentence, but it's loaded with meaning, and most of it's not good. As we've noted over and over again, the last refuge of those looking to undermine encryption is to bring up the idea of "if only Silicon Valley techies and law enforcement could get together, surely they could come up with some magic golden key. But that's clueless, because what they're asking for is impossible. This isn't something that's "difficult" -- it's impossible. You can't make a backdoored encryption system that doesn't make everyone vulnerable and less safe.
And, yes, while you can say he doesn't specifically say "encryption" here, the use of the phrase "technology to escape from justice" clearly implies encryption. Of course, as we've noted time and time again, the hand-wringing over encryption is totally overblown. Every time we look at terrorist attacks, they seem to do plenty of planning out in the open. And, even when encryption is used, law enforcement and the intelligence community have admitted that either the people often mess up, making them trackable, or they leave other trails.
Besides, what changes does President Obama think technology needs to stop a husband and wife from plotting at home to shoot up an office holiday party?
The whole thing is ridiculous -- and perhaps the only redeeming thing is that he didn't say he was going to ask Congress for a law on this, but rather just put pressure on US tech companies. Unfortunately, as we've seen in the past, sometimes that pressure can be intense and almost impossible to refuse. The President's statement today just undermined a whole bunch of the US tech industry's claims towards keeping information private. He just handed a gift to foreign companies.
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The First Word
“I think we should backdoor bullets so that they can't be used by nefarious criminals to kill innocent people.
And no, I don't accept your claims that such thing is impossible and that it would also enable criminals to use such backdoors.
It's for the children, for our freedom and for our safety. Even if it looks like I'm curtailing your freedom and diminishing your safety. That's speech from hipsters and terrorists.
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"Thank you Mr. President" -Every criminal and terrorist out there
Calls for destroying encryption don't just help foreign companies who might actually care if their product is secure, it's a major boon to criminals of all stripes, who have got to be salivating at the idea of so much poorly protected, and highly valuable information available to them, courtesy of the government.
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technology to escape from justice
Telephones
Motors
Weapons
Zippers & buttons (in clothes)
admittedly, if terrorists cannot use technology, they would be very very easy to spot.
BTW. "Escape from" is not "evade", "escape from" actually includes being caught first.
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Or they're Amish.
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Or they're Amish...
Or they've used the Amish as an example of not trusting technology. Even before the internet came of age any use of mail or phones was only to set up meetings; the plans and instructions were given face to face. Even today the smart ones only use email and cel phones to set up meetings, and normally using innocent messages that are intended to confuse any outsider that might be listening. The important instructions are still delivered "face to face" and not Facebook.
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The Amish are pretty safe if terrorists were not to use even flint axe-level tech.
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-Unofficial motto of politicians everywhere.
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I think you make an assumption there.
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Sooooo...
Technology is this wicked, demonic thing used primarily by criminals to commit all sorts of foul and terrible acts and needs to be carefully regulated, controlled, limited and broken.
Guns are cute, cuddly toys that everyone should have and are at best only peripherally involved in crime.
right?
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I would say there is a HUGE technological jump from a club to a gun
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The black forestock grip fled the scene and is still at large.
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specially in governments.
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I see they are stealing policy ideas from IS/Saudi Arabia.
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Techno Illiteracy or Totalitarianism?
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Genius and Nobel Peace Prize
to NOT USE technology???
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Denial
The Left is in denial about the role played by Islam in terrorism.
So they agree to gang up on the tech sector as being the ones who need to change.
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there is only a left right dychotomy
https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
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Yes, because law is how you prevent people from committing mass murder.
California has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation and yet people, intent on mass murder, still purchased fire arms. No firearm control law stops those intent on committing harm from doing so. No criminal/terrorist would hesitate to break the law acquiring weapons if they intend mass murder. The reason firearm control laws are demanded each time is the same reason encryption back doors and surveillance is demanded, control.
Constitutional Rights don't make you safe. Constitutional Rights make you free.
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The USA has a range of gun control laws that range from lax to very lax by European standards. Calling the California laws "strict" looks like a joke from where I'm sitting.
Terrorists will still try to commit mass murder whatever you do but without legally available guns it will be harder for them - and they may have to resort to less effective (knives) or less reliable methods (bombs).
Why make it easy for them???
You are in denial.
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Jesus Christ
and NOBODY has guns like in the US, specially in Switzerland!
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European gun laws are generally stricter than the US - however as you point out - in the Schengen zone you effectively have the law of the laxest country everywhere. (Also true with states/ state borders in the US.
Your example of Switzerland is a bad one because:
1) Switzerland isn't even in the EU let alone Schengen.
2) Switzerland does have very high gun death rates relative to its overall crime level.
The UK on the other hand - where borders are more strongly policed and gun laws are the strictest anywhere - has a gun death rate 1/10th of Switzerland and 1/40th of the USA.
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the citizen voting rights
and the government- to- citizen fscking
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like through Germany and into France...
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I suppose I was really talking about the UK where both gun control and borders are stronger than in France.
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Then perhaps you can explain The Troubles in Ireland?
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Keep grasping....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_population_analysis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ill egal_immigration_to_the_United_States
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Then perhaps you can explain The Troubles in Ireland?
Ireland is separate Island from Great Britain - and that certainly helped to reduce the impact of the troubles.
The troubles are long gone now and guns were never quite the issue anyway.
N. Ireland has laxer gun laws than the rest of the UK so is not relevant to this discussion.
Basically the UK has very strict firearms control and consequent extremely low (and actually falling) gun homicide rates.
Gun control works here and has saved lives.
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oh YES the UK prison is an example for the planet to follow
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Perhaps it's different in the U.K. Their geography, (Island) combined with their Orwellian style of government, allows them to protect the people while simultaneously removing their freedoms. If that is what they chose to do, then good for them, it is their choice. We on the other hand, had forefathers that had the forethought to write it into our constitution so those freedoms will never be taken away from the people.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional- duty-to-protect-someone.html?_r=0
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Our government is no worse than yours in general - and in many ways it is often better. Only lack of knowledge could lead you to that accusation.
Your forefathers had the stupidity not to realise that times would change and allowing everyone to arm themselves would in the end just result in more death - often accidental.
Plus you don't really follow the 2nd amendment anyway because not ALL types of weapons are allowed.
Plus - your law enforcement is more aggressive and extreme than ours. Reading all the articles about police brutality and asset seizure in the US and comparing it with the UK where these things are somewhere on the spectrum between rare and unknown has convinced me of that.
Plus many of the worse cases of injustice in the UK in frecent years have occurred at the instigation of US corporations or the US government.
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Matter of opinion. You have the government you deserve, as do we. I have the freedom to go buy a gun, you do not. You can't stand that, I really do understand why you can't stand that, I just don't agree with you.
"Your forefathers had the stupidity not to realise that times would change and allowing everyone to arm themselves would in the end just result in more death - often accidental."
Now your just being childish. Just because our society is different, doesn't mean the people that created it are "stupid". Or are you saying that you know better than the people that created our country what is best for us? Hubris much?
"Plus - your law enforcement is more aggressive and extreme than ours. Reading all the articles about police brutality and asset seizure in the US and comparing it with the UK where these things are somewhere on the spectrum between rare and unknown has convinced me of that. "
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? We have unsecured borders, a well armed populace, and a good portion of us have have a case of the "Don't give a fucks". Of course our police are aggressive and can get out of control. That's why we have to reign them in on occasion. Yet another price of freedom we have to pay.
"Plus many of the worse cases of injustice in the UK in frecent years have occurred at the instigation of US corporations or the US government."
Don't go blaming us for your problems. You take care of your country, I'll take care of mine. Fix your own house before you worry about mine.
Richard. It's obvious you don't give two fucks for our freedoms. You have given yours up for security, that is your right. Good for you, more power to you. Our forefathers made sure it would be damn near impossible for our government to take ours. Yes we have death's from guns. We have accidents, murders, robberies, gun crimes of all kinds. But we also have the ability to stand up in armed protest if required to secure our freedoms and put an out of control government back in check. Anyone that says "you have guns, they have drones" is an idiot, we have more civilian guns in this country than people, that will and does give pause to our government.
With great freedom comes great risk and responsibility, and unfortunately sometimes blood. Freedoms are not easy nor are they safe. They are dangerous and sometimes uncomfortable things that have to be fought for and paid for, sometimes with life.. even innocent life. For whatever reason, you can't stand that. But that's ok. I invite you to stay on your island, and worry about your own.
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No - they are the ones that have prevented attacks using guns in the UK.
Note that in the UK the attackers have had to make do with knives - so fewer deaths.
France is part of Schengen - so French laws don't prevent gun leakage fromother countries where laws are laxer.
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the million-cameras orwellian UK is the example to follow, specially because it is an ISLAND with NO BORDERS
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the million-cameras orwellian UK is the example to follow, specially because it is an ISLAND with NO BORDERS"
Island, or prison?
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Sorry - it is no worse than the US in those respects and at least our "prison guards" aka police don't shoot us at random quite so often.
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wow, you are not a SHEEP
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Two different cultures, two entirely different points of view. You see your country as "safe", we see it as a "prison". Freedom is dangerous, it comes with a price. We are prepared to pay the price, your not. Apples and oranges.
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Whereas you sacrificed security for freedom - and then gave up on the freedom anyway!
Plus - the freedom to shoot (or be shot by) my neighbour is not one I'm very keen on!
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Now your getting it Richard! Security doesn't mean shit without freedom.
"and then gave up on the freedom anyway!"
I can run down to a gun shop right down the road and buy a gun right now, can you? I would say I still have that freedom!
"Plus - the freedom to shoot (or be shot by) my neighbour is not one I'm very keen on!"
And now we are at the root of the problem. Richard your not scared of the guns, your scared of the freedom.(Unless of course your just a coward, and if that's the case I guess I'm wasting my breath, but I'm going to assume that's not the case.)
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Which means that as long as you've got guns, you don't give a rat's about anything else.
I'd like to see what you and your gun could do about TSA molestation at the airport.
Guns are a fetish, a charm like a lucky rabbit's foot. They're not doing much to secure your rights at all.
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You think someone who wants to kill a bunch of people is going to say. "Oh, we can't use guns, it is too hard to get legal ones and illegal ones will make us criminals."
DeNile is the longest road.
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while at the same time I will send TOW missiles (Tube launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided), and Toyotas with machine gun turrets to ISIS so that they can use tech to escape from justice,
and why not send some high tech guns to mexico drug gangs, too
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Even the DoJ is afraid of librarians. Not only do they read books, but surrounded by all those stacks of paper books, they'll survive nuclear war.
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the invisible man
animal farm
1984
brave new world
fahrenheit 411
island of doctor moreau
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Of course he is really after just furthering the police state. At the rate we are going, it will be possible to stop a husband and wife secretly plotting w/in their own home.
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who the fsck are the "high tech" leaders and why the fsck would they listen to Obama if THEY are LEADERS?
Is he talking about the Forbes top 20 ?
cause they do own his ass,
don`t they?
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what the fsck are the "law enforcement leaders"?
the cop who issued the most parking tickets last month?
or the one who shot most dogs last year?
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france wants to ban it "during a state of emergency"
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-because we are on state on emergency, would you like some cookies with your latte?
*yes, please and another banana ice-cream
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http://www.dw.com/en/criticism-for-draft-german-wi-fi-law-seeking-more-connectivity/a-187187 89
or just google: germany public wifi
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iphone 7 will include a "soul tenderness sensor"
and will graduate the size of the backdoors accordingly,
samples with a broken sensor will be gold coated and flashed with custom firmware and screen savers for the "elite only" limited version
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I think we should backdoor bullets so that they can't be used by nefarious criminals to kill innocent people.
And no, I don't accept your claims that such thing is impossible and that it would also enable criminals to use such backdoors.
It's for the children, for our freedom and for our safety. Even if it looks like I'm curtailing your freedom and diminishing your safety. That's speech from hipsters and terrorists.
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whot? I though Obama-likes are hip?!?!
I have to re-arrange my facebook then
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wouldn`t THAT be easier?
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Obama's speech wasn't about gun violence, he's using these latest incidence of gun violence to jump on the 'don't do encryption' bandwagon. Democrats have become a national security risk to the welfare of this country.
How is it that Democrats keep calling for more gun control laws but won't advocate or call for our law enforcement to enforce the laws that we already have. All we keep getting are new laws that nobody enforces.
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American ingenuity is great, so I don't really believe all these computer science experts who say that it's "too hard" to make a soul tenderness sensor and an instantaneous world peace app.
A whole lot of good people have said it’s too hard … maybe that's so.... But my reaction to that is: I’m not sure they’ve really tried.
Maybe the scientists are right. But, I’m not willing to give up on that yet."
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Sweet Baby Jesus
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Roll it back to zero
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Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton
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"I do my own sh!t on my own email server" and
"I erase my own email server"
... Clinton ?
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Says a man that avoids the use of technology to escape from the law and justice.
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and that is kind of technological?
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and scaring the jonas brothers and sh!t
is he?
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Snowden's NSA blowback
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Game over!
Does that mean that nobody should deliver hard disks to the NSA data processing center in Utah? Because make no mistake, the capacities planned there are far outside the specs needed for constitutional activities.
How is Congress going to communicate without telephones?
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to give more facebook- likes to himself
and to remove facebook- likes from the trrrist
"In coming days, the White House will talk to companies in the tech sector about developing a "clearer understanding of when we believe social media is being used actively and operationally to promote terrorism"
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-shooting-cyber-obama-idUSKBN0TQ04J20151207
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I think this is important because these leaders keep demanding magic from technology because they cannot distinguish it from each other.
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Obama's speech was never about gun violence, he just used the recent violence in San Bernardino to headbutt Silicon Valley into halting their plans for stronger encryption in technology.
Silicon Valley is gonna bow down to Obama.
Yeah, right! Obama has as much chance at convincing Silicon Valley as we have of the sky falling down on our heads. Obama is a first class, world class, MORON.
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governments of the whole planet are colluding into banning encryption, but somehow you sheeple still think there is something like OPPOSING political parties in the US? REALLY?
you think OBAMA is something more than a speech reading actress?
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Yes, I do. He's a reasonably good speaker so it is sufficient to handle him at bullet point, excuse me, hand him the bullet points. As opposed to his predecessor, you can let him talk freely for minutes on end without him coming off as an utter and clueless idiot.
He is not too stupid but too unprincipled to be more than a sock puppet.
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Please choose one
2. Open to law enforcement, the government's of US, China, Russia, and Anonymous, and hackers.
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FFS, people the statement is NOT about terrorists, it is about Hollywood and the recording industry. It is about supporting existing monopolies (duoplolies) and assisting them in making everyone overpay for entertainment. And until the technology industry bribes,,, er 'lobbies' more than the entertainment industry it will continue to be about that.
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because mp3 royalties!!!
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kill millions
they call it democide
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Could we possibly stop calling them clueless? It implies the people calling for golden keys to back doors in encryption are simply ignorant and not too bright. That if only someone could sit them down and explain it so that they understood, they'd realize it couldn't be done and would stop asking for it.
The word you want is duplicitous. Most of the people calling for these things are smart people who damn well know what they're asking for is impossible. If they didn't already know that themselves, they have staff plenty capable of explaining that to them. They just don't care. Want they want isn't magic encryption that the bad guys can't use, or that only the good guy can break and the encryption is psychically capable of telling which is which. What they want is to be able to continue spying on their own citizens electronically. They don't care that it would open the average citizen up to greater risk. They just want their minions to continue to be able to violate their citizen's privacy at will.
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excellent!
but as far as I understand THEY THEMSELVES ARE MINIONS, too
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Crooks and good looks
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Because it is a far lot easier to threaten and bully tech companies to do your bidding then it is to get the law changed that will do just the job.
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The Nobel War Criminal in Chief Believes in Unicorns
Do you mean escape from justice like US politicians escape war crime and torture tribunals?
Or
Do you mean escape from justice like US banksters did while committing massive control fraud that cost the US trillions of dollars?
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This is easy
[ ] I am over 18 years of age or I am under 18 years of age and have my parent/guardian's permission; and,
[ ] I am not a terrorist
That would work well.
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