Latest Email Dump Shows Hillary Clinton Telling Aide To Send Classified Documents Over Unsecure Fax Line
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In the latest batch of Hillary Clinton emails -- forced out of the State Department's gnarled fists by an FOIA lawsuit and a recently-released Inspector General's report showing the agency flat out sucks at responding to FOIA requests -- there's a conversational thread suggesting the presidential candidate considers her access to classified information more important than the security of that information.
In one email exchange dated June 2011, Clinton instructed her top policy advisor Jacob Sullivan to send her talking points — which were scheduled to be forwarded over the State Department's secured network — over a non-secure fax line. Sullivan reported a problem with the State Department's secure transmission system, so Clinton told him to wipe off any "identifying heading" and send it over using a regular fax line.Apparently, having faster access to the talking points is more important than following the correct protocols. That's an incredibly irresponsible way to handle sensitive communications, especially for someone in Clinton's position.
Calls for criminal charges are filling the air again, but if the US government hasn't engaged fully at this point, there's little reason to believe further mishandling of classified information by Clinton is going to get that ball rolling. Besides, the State Department claims the instructions were never followed and the classified info never sent to an unsecure line, as if that makes everything OK.
On Friday, the State Department faced a barrage of questions about the propriety of that order. "We did do some forensics on that and found no evidence it was actually emailed to her," State Department Spokesperson Kirby said at a daily news briefing on Friday. "There are other ways it could have found its way to her for her use."The agency also claims that just because the document was described as "classified" doesn't necessarily mean the contents of the paper were actually "classified," as if that makes everything ok. But if that's true, it's just more evidence the government routinely abuses this designation to keep non-classified material secret. It also helps explain why the State Department is so FOIA-resistant. This "classified doesn't necessarily mean classified" non-explanation somehow explains the following:
Though Clinton claims that none of the emails she received on that private server were marked classified, at least 1,340 of those emails have since been marked classified retroactively, according to the State Department's own tally.I guess it all comes down to how "classified" is defined by each individual State Department official. Clinton said nothing was classified because that makes using her own personal email server OK. The State Department says some of the emails are, but only now that it's being forced to release these communications. The designation itself is devoid of any true meaning when it's wholly arbitrary and can be deployed retroactively. The State Department's post facto secrecy shows the agency as a whole has a cavalier attitude towards information in its possession. It's this attitude that leads directly to Hillary Clinton suggesting by email that documents need only be designated as "classified" when it's convenient to do so -- whether it's to access talking points faster or, in the case of the State Department, to withhold documents from FOIA requesters.
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If Hillary Clinton doesn't white wash her mistakes correctly the first time the State Department will do it for her.
Must be nice, being able to violate the entire idea of being a PUBLIC SERVANT and just do whatever the hell you want without consequence.
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It's good to be the king. [eom]
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system shouldn't have been abused to hide them from view.
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therefore to the public. They are used for publicity.
You can't really call that stuff a bunch of secrets. ;]
Spitballing that is used to come up with talking points is
reasonably private and confidential because that's where all
the mistakes are made before the grownups find and fix them;
but once that's done your talking points are not classifiable.
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But that said, it all depends on what the talking points were actually about, i.e. the substance, and we're not told this. Nor are we told the intended audience. Nor are we told about the author, and who did the classification. For all we know it may have been about some top secret goings on at Area 52......
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... No matter WHICH side wins the votes, crap like this will go on.
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Democrats have far more blind voters than Republicans.
As evidenced but the current turmoil that exists in the Republican party with the likes of Trump.
The sad thing, those same people willing to vote for Hillary at this stage are beyond recovery. You can easily see tons of students in college that are more than willing to sign petitions to destroy the constitution and hand more and more power over to the police and the likes of Hillary without much resistance.
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"Democrats have far more blind voters than Republicans."
And your evidence in support of this claim:
"the current turmoil that exists in the Republican party with the likes of Trump"
Seems a little weak there, perhaps you have additional data that will further illustrate this alarming condition.
" sign petitions to destroy the constitution"
Like what - any examples? I can recall initiatives from the GOP that would lead to such atrocities, perhaps you have a favorite?
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I don't know if I agree with the above statement, but here are a couple of easily found examples.
http://abovethelaw.com/2015/12/yale-students-sign-a-petition-to-repeal-the-first-amendment- stop-being-stupid/
http://personalliberty.com/no-problem-watch-california-college-students-sign-a-pet ition-to-imprison-kill-all-gun-owners/
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The second one could be completely fake (ie he approaches people and tells them he's going to spout crazy stuff while they sign something and they should just nod and agree), but if not would seem to indicate people will sign any petition.
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I did read it. The second one is absolutely fake, it's more of a punk than anything. But the original post stated;
" You can easily see tons of students in college that are more than willing to sign petitions to destroy the constitution and hand more and more power over to the police and the likes of Hillary without much resistance."
I didn't really believe it, so I googled it, and sure enough this is what I found. I'm not sure about the "tons" metric, but their were plenty of students in fact "willing to sign petitions to destroy the constitution" The fact that it's fake doesn't change the fact that they were willing to sign it.
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My comment to him was that I want people who will think for themselves and not tow the party line just because it is the party line.
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You seem convinced, maybe there is a wealth of data that shows this is the case. Did you perhaps get this info from Trey Gowdy?
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Aside from her admitting she broke the law found here.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/22/hillary-clinton-admits-she-broke-u-s-law-in- benghazi/
How about the New York Post?
http://nypost.com/2015/09/27/yes-hillary-clinton-broke-the-law/
Or the Daily Caller?
http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/21/eight-laws-hillary-clinton-could-be-indicted-for-breaking/
N ational Review?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/414777/yes-hillary-clinton-broke-law-ian-tuttle
I could go on and on. Left, Right, Center, it doesn't really matter. Some try to spin it, but they can't deny it, she broke the law.
1.) 18 U.S. Code § 793 – Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
18 U.S. Code § 798 – Disclosure of classified information
2.) U.S. Code § 1924 – Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
3.) 18 U.S. Code § 2071(b) — Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
4.) 18 U.S. Code § 641 – Public money, property or records
5.) 18 U.S. Code § 1505 – Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/21/eight-laws-hillary-clinton-could-be-indicted-for-breaking/#ixzz3x8 ZSxCk5
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You are absolutely correct. These were just the easiest to find on Google. If you actually dig deep into this, it gets much worse than what it appears on the surface.
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"I'll look the other way today, if you look the other way tomorrow."
Neither side wants to rock the boat and set precedent that politicians, even presidential candidates, have to follow the law, so while they may gripe about her neither are terribly interested in actually punishing her for her actions.
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The field of people I can vote for this fall is pretty much zero. Some because they're clearly idiots, some because they're clearly evil, and HRC because she clearly thinks it's her turn regardless of things like her actions, opinions, or the voters.
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I also think he's the most honest candidate the Democrats have in the field, even if I don't like some of his ideas (i.e. President Carter is also a very good honest man, although a lousy President).
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He's actually the best bet.
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I'm not aware of any crimes where the sentence is being disqualified from running for President. It sounds nice, but I don't think there's any legal mechanism to do that. People have run for public office from prison.
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The qualifications for president are specified in the Constitution. I think it would take a constitutional amendment to change them, and that hasn't happened.
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Robert Taft Memorial
"Let us see that the state is the servant of its people and that the people are not the servants of the state."
Hmm, we've come a long way from that.
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Must be nice...
If you or I had done that, I can guarantee you we'd be prosecuted for a variety of charges and there would be no explaining it away.
But when you're politically connected you only get a ... wait... has she even gotten a handslap?... oh wait... instead of prosecution... she gets to run for president.
Some animals are more equal than others.
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As Mel Brooks said, "it's good to be the king".
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The question no one is asking is why was she using it in the first place?
There is only one reason someone would use personal accounts and that is because she didn't want someone to be able to find her communications in the future.
Chris Christies people in New Jersey did the same thing.
A government employee who uses these tactics should be arrested for violating the spirit and the letter of the Constitution.
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Spirit and letter? ... citation?
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During the most recent Democratic debate, Sanders said he doesn’t expect “to get too many campaign contributions from Wall Street.” He added: “The CEOs of large multinationals may like Hillary. They ain’t gonna like me and Wall Street is going to like me even less.”
The choice is clear unless of course you are a racist redneck. Bernie Sanders is the only logical choice among candidates that have a chance.
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All FAX lines are--to a significant degree--secure (which is not the same thing as "secured"), being point to point connections that are illegal to tap (unless, of course, you're a govt. agency [with or without a warrant]). So, are we trying to keep the NSA or FBI from listening in on or capturing our govt.'s "Classified" communications?
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By fax or by email ?
Is that code for "yes, it kind of might have been sent by fax" ?
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You think the people actually pick the president? Ha.
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Let me get this straight: Secretary of State never gets sent any classified material?
As per Hilary (and the state Department, too, it seems), Hillary, as state secretary was sent work mail to her private server, and NONE of it was classified. Seriously? Nobody ever sent any classified stuff to the Secretary of State? If you can believe that, I've got this bridge I can let you have on the cheap ...
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