Guy Who Didn't Invent Email Sues Gawker For Pointing Out He Didn't Invent Email

from the shiva,-you-ain't-hulk-hogan,-either dept

Oh boy. Remember Shiva Ayyadurai? The guy who has gone to great lengths to claim that he "invented email," when the reality is that he appears to have (likely independently) written an early implementation of email long after others had actually "invented email." In the past we've called out examples where gullible press have fallen for his easily debunked claims, but he keeps popping back up. He somehow got an entire series into the Huffington Post, which was clearly crafted as a PR exercise in trying to rewrite history. The mainstream press repeated his bogus claims about inventing email after he married a TV star. And, most recently, he decided to scream at the press for memorializing Ray Tomlinson -- someone who actually did have a hand in creating email -- upon his death.

We've gone through in great detail as to why Ayyadurai is simply wrong in his claims. There's a lot more to it, but the summary we've written in the past is this:

First off, no one denies that V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai -- an apparently very bright 14-year-old at the time -- wrote an email software program for the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (UMDNJ) in 1978. By all accounts, it was a perfectly decent email system that allowed the UMDNJ staff to send electronic messages. Further, no one doubts that, in 1981, Ayyadurai registered the copyright on his program, which was called EMAIL. The problems are that (1) email was invented long before 1978, (2) the copyright is merely on the specific software code, not the idea of email, and (3) while Ayyadurai may have independently recreated the basics of email (and even added a nice feature), none of his work was even remotely related to what later became the standards of email. What's most sickening about this is that as part of this new PR campaign, Ayyadurai is ridiculously arguing that the reason no one believes him isn't because he's simply wrong, but because they can't stand to believe that "a dark-skinned immigrant kid, 14 years old," invented email, and that it was done in "one of the poorest cities in the US" rather than at a famous university.

Again, that might make for a nice story line if there were some factual basis behind it, but there isn't. The history of email is well-documented from multiple sources and it began way, way before 1978. And while early versions were somewhat crude, by 1978 they had basically everything that Ayyadurai claims to have invented (it is entirely believable that Ayyadurai, as a bright kid, independently came up with the same ideas, but he was hardly the first). There was a messaging system called MAILBOX at MIT in 1965. You can read all the details of it here, including source code. Ray Tomlinson is frequently credited with inventing the modern concept of email for the internet by establishing the @ symbol (in 1972) as a way of determining both the user and which computer to send the email to. By 1975, there were things like email folders (invented by Larry Roberts) and some other basic email apps. As is noted, by 1976 -- two years before Ayyadurai wrote his app -- email was 75% of all ARPANET traffic.

For what it's worth, some have disputed the idea that he even added any features not existing in previous discussions. Nevertheless, he's not the "inventor" of email, no matter how many times he claims he is.

We, of course, have not been alone in debunking his claims. Back in 2012, a few weeks after we first debunked them, Gawker's Sam Biddle did a long and thorough takedown of Ayyadurai's claims. Apparently that story really angers Ayyadurai, and I'm guessing that seeing Hulk Hogan win his crazy lawsuit against Gawker helped Ayyadurai to decide to sue Gawker as well.

And, in keeping with my belief that this is all one giant PR stunt, the lawsuit filing was accompanied by a press release that repeats the same debunked claims, and selectively quotes the very media he fooled as evidence that he really invented email. The actual lawsuit is a joke. As in the Hogan case, Ayyadurai is suing not just Gawker, but also the company's founder Nick Denton, along with the author of the articles (in this case, Sam Biddle).

The filing again lays out Ayyadurai's highly misleading version of history, insisting again that getting the copyright on a program called EMAIL is the equivalent of "inventing" email. He continues to conflate patent and copyright law and misleadingly claim that because you couldn't get a patent on software at the time, a copyright is basically the same thing. This is wrong on both counts. You could patent some software at the time, and either way a copyright is nowhere near the equivalent. He also relies on debunked reports in Time Magazine and CBS. And also Wired, though he leaves out that Wired was just quoting Noam Chomsky, who bizarrely has become one of Ayyadurai's biggest defenders, and that the Wired story includes other evidence that Ayyadurai is wrong.

Ayyadurai claims that Gawker's articles were defamatory, specifically stating:

As described herein, the February 2012 Article arises to the level of defamation per se, in that it falsely states that “[Dr.] Ayyadurai is a fraud.”

As described herein, the March 2012 Article falsely alleges that:

a) Dr. Ayyadurai engaged in “semantic tricks, falsehoods, and a misinformation campaign.”
b) Dr. Ayyadurai is engaged in “revisionism” in his claim of invention of email.

As described herein, the 2014 Article arises to the level of defamation per se, by stating that Dr. Ayyadurai is a “fraud,” thus falsely accusing Dr. Ayyadurai of a crime and causing prejudice to his personal and professional reputation and business.

The 2014 Article also falsely states:

a) Dr. Ayyadurai is a “renowned liar” with respect to his statements that he invented email,
b) Dr. Ayyadurai is a “big fake,” and
c) Dr. Ayyadurai is engaged in “cyber-lies.”

These defamation claims seem extremely weak. First off, as the detailed records show, Ayyadurai did not invent email. So truth is generally a good response to defamation claims. Second, even if he did create email (and he didn't), most of these statements would be protected as either statements of opinion or rhetorical hyperbole. Finally, Ayyadurai as a self-proclaimed public persona would have to show actual malice for it to be defamatory. Hilariously, the lawsuit claims no actual malice is necessary, which is nonsense. Ayyadurai is so focused on making himself a famous person over his exaggerated claims to have invented email that for him to try to argue he's not a public figure is laughable. His lawyers also show no evidence that there is actual malice from Gawker but insist that if they could get to the discovery phase, they could find evidence supporting actual malice.

There are then three other claims: one for "intentional interference with prospective economic advantage," one for "intentional infliction of emotional distress" (the "my feelz!" argument), and one for (and I'm not kidding) "negligent hiring and retention."

Ayyadurai goes into detail about how people pointing out that he is exaggerating his claims has made people less willing to work with him. But that's not the fault of accurate reporting. It's the fault of him focusing so much on a false claim to have invented email.

This is the situation here: Defendants’ false statements in the articles at issue had the effect of so severely discrediting Dr. Ayyadurai—based on the false statement that he is a “fraud”—that Dr. Ayyadurai’s career was severely damaged. As a direct result of Defendants’ publication of the false and defamatory statements about Dr. Ayyadurai, on information and belief, Dr. Ayyadurai has lost teaching positions at MIT, lost several paid speaking engagements at the time and in the future, lost an accolade and display dedicated to his invention at the Smithsonian Institute, lost contracts and renewals, lost opportunities for investment in his emerging companies, suffered substantial personal and professional reputational harm, and suffered substantial harm to his career, business and income.

I'm sure that's distressing, but it's not the fault of Gawker for pointing out that Ayyadurai was exaggerating what he did. It's what happens when you exaggerate like that and make grandiose claims that are not accurate.

The "negligent hiring" claims seems to just be an attempt to attack and mock Sam Biddle. I'm not a Sam Biddle fan by any stretch of the imagination. I think he has a history of taking things completely out of context and creating sensational posts that are misleading, at best. But that's not defamation. It's just bad reporting. And Ayyadurai's claims about "negligent hiring" basically accuse Biddle of being a drug addict and, potentially, mentally unstable. That claim is not going to last very long and seems to serve no purpose other than to attack Biddle's reputation.

The filing also spends a ton of completely wasted space on other lawsuits against Gawker, as if trying to prove that the company has a history of bad actions. But the litany of bad actions listed are extremely exaggerated. Yes, Gawker has been sued for defamation, but Gawker has not lost those cases and they are extremely unlikely to lose them. I mean, you're reaching really, really low if you're citing Chuck Johnson's laughable defamation lawsuit against Gawker that has already been tossed out of a Missouri court for being ridiculous. And yes, Johnson also filed an identical case in California, but it's going nowhere (it was so identical that it focused on the harms in Missouri, despite being filed in California). But Ayyadurai's lawyers pretend that it's evidence of Gawker's defamatory history:

Gawker has been sued multiple times for defamation, including currently in an action in New York State Court, by the Daily Mail newspaper, and in an action in California by an individual named Charles Johnson, for writing and publishing false and unsubstantiated rumors that Mr. Johnson had been involved in misconduct and criminal activity.

The lawsuit also cites a variety of other lawsuits involving Gawker that have nothing to do with defamation at all, including (obviously) the Hulk Hogan case that will almost certainly be overturned on appeal, and also a copyright lawsuit from Dr. Phil and a few other examples of people being unhappy with Gawker's coverage.

This case should go nowhere fast, and Ayyadurai may be opening himself up to a world of hurt in exposing himself to discovery, should the case even reach that stage. Unfortunately for Gawker, Massachusetts -- where Ayyadurai filed this lawsuit -- has an anti-SLAPP statute that is much more limited and unfortunately may not be that helpful to Gawker. Yet another reason why we need a federal anti-SLAPP law as soon as possible.

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  • icon
    DB (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 10:58am

    To be clear, he wrote a program that he named "EMAIL", despite it not having the essential elements of a real email system.

    It was more like a cubbyhole system at a rural general store than a mail system. It worked only within a single machine with a fixed set of known users. It never had to deal with the challenges of queuing, batch delivery, handling different address formats, etc. that were the challenging problems.

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    Mason Wheeler (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 11:01am

    In Hindu mythology, isn't Shiva the name of The Destroyer?

    Just saying...

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    • icon
      Christopher Best (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 11:40am

      Re:

      I thought Gozer was the Destroyer?

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      aldestrawk (profile), 12 May 2016 @ 3:48pm

      Re:

      “Shiva is the name of the lord of creation and destruction in the Hindu religion,” she says. “And Shiva” — her brother — “is truly the creator. He will fight for destruction if it means fighting for justice. And he will die in that fight for justice, at any cost.”

      This is from a 2012 article where the author talks with Ayyadurai's sister.
      http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2012/05/shiva-ayyaduri-email-us-postal-service/

      The "fight for destruction" sounds ominous. I am not sure what she means by that. I kind of feel sorry for Shiva Ayyadurai as loss of this suit will destroy him. I can't understand his obsession with being recognized as the inventor of email. He could still use his mind to create innovative things.

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    • identicon
      Niks, 14 May 2016 @ 2:41pm

      Re:

      Yes similar to "God - The father of Jesus" in christian mythology.

      Just saying..........

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    Matthew Cline (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 11:03am

    So...

    How much does it sting that he's suing Gawker instead of Techdirt?

    ;)

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    orbitalinsertion (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 11:39am

    And Ayyadurai's claims about "negligent hiring" basically accuse Biddle of being a drug addict and, potentially, mentally unstable.


    This is a perfect example of argumentum ad hominem, for everyone who likes to use the concept incorrectly. Strictly bonus.

    Mason Wheeler:
    In Hindu mythology, isn't Shiva the name of The Destroyer?


    Yeah, Vishnu (The Preserver) is more in line with current email retention laws. But Shiva The destroyer is more in line with actual practice.

    If this filing isn't simply binned, i hope the case goes a little way toward informing some groups that the guy is full of himself. Not that it would stop some of the crowds, who will claim reality has been manipulated to conspire against someone who is a minority in the States. (Which is frequently true, and it's sad that this idiot is hijacking that for his own self-aggrandizement.)

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      aldestrawk (profile), 12 May 2016 @ 4:01pm

      Re:

      The attack on Biddle's mental health is not just an ad hominem attack. It is the basis for the 4th cause of action in the lawsuit. Here, it is assumed that Biddle's "abuse" of benzodiazepines and SSRIs are responsible for his "caustic and reckless" writing of articles. According to the lawsuit, Denton and Cook should have known that and continuing to employ him was negligent on their part.

      Unless you're a scientologist, I don't see how using SSRIs can be termed abuse, much less responsible for the writing of caustic articles. I wonder if Biddle was using antidepressants and, if so, how Ayyadurai's lawyers knew of it (that's part of his medical history and covered by HIPAA).

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    Dan (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 11:49am

    Trial on the merits?

    The downside of a weak anti-SLAPP law is that the case (probably) can't be summarily disposed of at the early stages, and thus Gawker will need to pay quite a bit to defend themselves. The upside is that this entitled idiot's claims can be tested, and shown to be false, in a published court opinion for the world to see. I doubt it will shut him up, but it should be better authority than "techdirt says so".

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 11 May 2016 @ 12:09pm

      Re: Trial on the merits?

      It isn't exactly the same situation, but don't forget that an East Texas jury decided that Whitfield Diffie wasn't convincing and didn't really know what he was talking about when it came to encryption.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 11 May 2016 @ 12:13pm

      Re: Trial on the merits?

      Maybe he will then sue the court for defaming him and calling him a fraud as well.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 11 May 2016 @ 12:17pm

      Re: Trial on the merits?

      Yeah, if anything, taking this guy to trial would offer Gawker's lawyers the opportunity to get Ayyadurai on the stand—he would probably welcome that!—and destroy his “I invented the Internet” claims once and for all. He would lack any ability to invoke the Fifth Amendment, and he would have no way of discrediting all the evidence that email existed before he wrote his program.

      Ayyadurai thinks he’s put himself in the driver’s seat vis-á-vis getting all these “defamatory claims” revoked. All he’s done is aim his car toward a brick wall and hit the gas.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 11 May 2016 @ 12:05pm

    Shiva Ayyadurai is a great example of how 'obligatory xkcd 386' can damage society: when the crazy is strong, laughing it off and leaving it unchecked leads to a world where... well, I guess 'look around' is the easiest thing to say.

    (Everyone here probably has it bookmarked, but: https://xkcd.com/386/)

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 11 May 2016 @ 12:15pm

    sadly, money will change hands

    Sadly, once something gets into our legal system, truth and facts are often distorted by a myriad of legal stunts in the courtroom (mostly by omission of whatever the lawyers can convince the judge is irrelevant). Jurors are notoriously naive, usually have no tech savvy of any kind (carefully chosen to not have engineering or scientific backgrounds) and so often want to help the perceived "underdog" that reality is lost at the door. I wish I could say I will be shocked if this guy wins and wins big but I will not be. After that recent joke of a trial with Erin Andrews, a good actor/actress can clean up big-time.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 11 May 2016 @ 12:40pm

    Too bad he didn't seek the advice of Walter O'Brien, the world's smartest human that ever lived, who figured it out all by himself that suing ungrateful disbelievers is a dumb idea.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 11 May 2016 @ 12:42pm

    Clearly DB has no idea what he is talking about. It (the EMAIL program) had all of these features if you looked at it carefully. Where are you getting your information.

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      dakre (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 1:14pm

      Re:

      Clearly Anonymous has to claim someone is wrong without including any sources. Welcome to the internet, where everything on it is true.

      This is just me poking fun, since stating someone "clearly has no idea what they are talking about" without clearly proving them wrong (I.E. include sources) is the same as stating an opinion, not a fact.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 11 May 2016 @ 4:43pm

      Re:

      Yawn.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 11 May 2016 @ 5:24pm

      Re:

      If I have to "look at it carefully" to see all these features, then they're clearly not important, integral pieces of its design and implementation.

      Also, you really, REALLY suck at shilling.

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      techflaws (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 9:42pm

      Re:

      It (the EMAIL program) had all of these features if you looked at it carefully.

      YEARS after other people's programs had those. Your point?

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  • identicon
    Glenn, 11 May 2016 @ 1:07pm

    Apparently he was, at 14, not smart enough to discover that "email" had already been "invented" (almost before he was even born). Of course, if I remember correctly, almost all 14 year olds think the world revolves around them. It seems, however, he hasn't grown up since then. With age and experience comes wisdom... except in this case, where the delusion continues unabated.

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  • icon
    DannyB (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 1:36pm

    Question

    If I didn't invent email, then can I also sue someone for pointing that fact out?

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 11 May 2016 @ 2:31pm

    V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai is right about one thing

    V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai is right about one thing, I don't believe that a 14yr old dark-skinned immigrant kid invented email.

    I do however believe that a dark-skinned immigrant kid wrote ( not invented ) an email program. Sure is a shame that bright kid grew up to be a pompous ass.

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    • identicon
      David, 11 May 2016 @ 3:58pm

      Re: V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai is right about one thing

      I do however believe that a dark-skinned immigrant kid wrote ( not invented ) an email program.

      Without transport it's not really Email. More like a bulletin board. But he did call it EMAIL, so there.

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      • identicon
        Wendy Cockcroft, 13 May 2016 @ 5:54am

        Re: Re: V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai is right about one thing

        Well let's give the man some credit; he did that. It's a shame he let his early success go to his head.

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    Espryon (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 2:46pm

    Wow this is hilarious. Copyright == perpetual extension until the end of time in the US and now it means you've created and/or invented something too. Don't quite understand why Chomsky is defending this guy, I have a lot of respect for the guy but wow lol.

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    • identicon
      Wendy Cockcroft, 13 May 2016 @ 6:12am

      Re:

      Over 'ere we'd call V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai an effnick minor'i'y. I daresay Chomsky does, too, in his own way, which means that by the laws of political correctness Mr. Ayyadura is in a Designated Protected Group. People in those positions are usually referred to using ever-changing adjectives that sound more pretentious with each successive iteration and are almost never consulted on what the latest term to describe them is — or whether or not the rest of us should celebrate certain holidays with public displays in commercial environments.

      I actually feel sorry for this chap: he's in a crap sandwich where one side is, "You're lying about your achievement; you invented A way of sending electronic messages long after email as we know it had been invented." On the other, he's got influential people encouraging his delusions of grandeur to demonstrate how politically correct they are.

      In this case his supporters will ultimately do him more harm than his detractors, and his fall will be long and hard.

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    Kronomex, 11 May 2016 @ 3:59pm

    He must be short of money and/or having "celebrity" withdrawal symptoms.

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  • identicon
    TheCarl, 11 May 2016 @ 5:12pm

    Can I sue Gawker too?

    Can I sue Gawker too? They never said that I didn't invent e-mail when in fact I never invented e-mail. I want them forced to recognise the fact that I never invented e-mail.

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    MrTroy (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 6:39pm

    What if...?

    It would actually be kind of fun if Gawker lost this case. I mean, imagine the precedent - it's defamation for other people to point out that you didn't actually do things that you said you did.

    Writing a CV would suddenly become so much easier!

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 11 May 2016 @ 10:01pm

    I said it before, I'll say it again...

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160308/08034033830/guy-who-pretends-he-invented-email-whines-eve ry-journalist-writing-obit-guy-who-actually-helped-create-email.shtml#c581

    In the 38 years since he thinks he invented e-mail, what has he done?

    Your entire life & promise boiled down to a single event. Sure it played well in some circles, and you can even drum up support playing the racism card but you wrote a program that couldn't exist without the hard work of others you seek to discount.

    38 years... your single claim to fame is a lie that consumes your every waking minute trying to force reality to accept your fantasy.

    38 years... you now hock an ebook.
    38 years... you have some connection to a tv star.
    38 years... you spend hours a day tweeting into a void.
    38 years... and you haven't created anything of value.
    38 years... and your will always be that fuckwad who claims he invented email.

    Awesome legacy.
    ---

    If I were to name a software program EIFFEL, and then try to tell the world that I was the real creator of all the things Eiffel ever created but they wouldn't believe me because I'm a homosexual... I'd be on my way to the funny farm.

    You named a program after a preexisting thing, and now claim to have done it all. The fact anyone bothers to listen to this fuck shows a huge failing in the media.

    Will someone sue this asshole for copyright misuse and get his cancelled. He is trying to use a copyright on a shitty ancient program to cover far beyond 1 shitty software package and create income from doing so. If that isn't misusing copyright... Then he can sit and scream how it was all of the white racist devils out to get him, and we just just go back to ignoring him.

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    • icon
      John Fenderson (profile), 12 May 2016 @ 7:40am

      Re: I said it before, I'll say it again...

      This is a really great point. I have made a few reasonably impressive accomplishments in my long tech career, but I don't put the ones from 20 years ago on my resume. Why? Because nobody cares (and the few who do will already know) what you did 20 years ago. Times change, and what's important is what you can do right now -- which is better indicated by what you did last year than last decade.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 12 May 2016 @ 4:07am

    Thank you Shiva

    I did not know who invented the email, i did not care

    But now i know for sure, that YOU didnt

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    Ryunosuke (profile), 12 May 2016 @ 4:45am

    an update... of sorts

    From Ars:

    "RFC 733 is a document, not software, drafted in November 1977," the lawyer wrote. "It was, at best, a specification attempting to provide a standardization of messaging protocols and interfaces. RFC 733 was not 'e-mail underpinnings' as some have said, nor equated as e-mail: the electronic software system intended to emulate the interoffice, inter-organizational paper-based mail system, created by Dr. Ayyadurai at UMDNJ in 1978."

    Harder further argues that Tomlinson’s work (his RFC #561 describes "network mail" in 1971) is too ancient to be considered proper e-mail.

    "Ray Tomlinson modified a pre-existing program SNDMSG, which was a local user electronic 'Post-It-Note' system, using borrowed code from another pre-existing program CPYNET, a file transfer protocol, to allow a user on one computer to append text to a file on another computer," Harder wrote.

    "The user had to type in cryptic commands to even make this happen. It’s the equivalent of a ‘caveman Reddit,’ and very different from the email system that people use today. Dr. Ayyadurai wrote 50,000 lines of code to mirror the entire interoffice mail system—virtually the same system we use today; he named it ‘email;’ and he obtained the first U.S. Copyright for the invention and name."



    there are a FEW *IMPORTANT* details here.

    1) I could not find said copyright under said conditions
    2) I could not find said PATENT under said conditions

    so.. without PROOF that he has done so... I, for one, have to question his claim.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 12 May 2016 @ 7:01am

      Re: an update... of sorts

      Most people question his claims, thus I can't understand why this guy won't stop. His claims have been debunked time and time again. This is nonsense that just won't die.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 12 May 2016 @ 8:03pm

      Re: an update... of sorts

      ...he obtained the first U.S. Copyright for the invention...

      When someone claims they obtained a copyright for an invention, you know they're full of you know what.

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      • icon
        Ryunosuke (profile), 12 May 2016 @ 11:20pm

        Re: Re: an update... of sorts

        hence why I also searched the USTPO for patents under the conditions he set forth

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    Thomas Haigh (profile), 13 May 2016 @ 2:04pm

    Shiva wants to read my email

    I'm the historian who has been maintaining a comprehensive guide to Ayyadurai's claims http://wwww.sigcis.org/ayyadurai. Now he's abusing Wisconsin open records laws to try to read my emails about him. http://tomandmaria.com/Tom/emailgrab

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