Declaring Cyberwar On Russia Because Of The DNC Hack Is A Bad Idea
from the calm-the-fuck-down dept
There's been plenty of talk, of course, about whether or not Russia did the hack that exposed various Democratic National Committee emails and other documents. While we've already pointed out that this shouldn't impact the newsworthy nature of the material leaked, it's still an interesting story. We've highlighted some reasons to be skeptical of the claims attributing the hack to Russia, but it does appear that more and more evidence is pointing in that direction. Thomas Rid, over at Vice, has a pretty good analysis of why much of the evidence points to Russia as being behind the attack, and the FBI is now apparently on board with that as well. While I'd still prefer more evidence, at least at this point, it should be admitted that there's quite a lot of evidence pointing in Russia's direction making it, at the very least, the most likely suspect.But, then, of course, there's the question about what it means and what should be done about it. And we're seeing some hysterical responses. Over at Ars Technica, they have a "guest editorial" from a cybersecurity firm CEO, Dave Aitel, (who also is, of course, ex-NSA), more or less arguing that we should declare cyberwar on Russia over this:
What occurred with the recently disclosed breach of the Democratic National Committee servers, and the dumping of stolen data on a WordPress site, is more than an act of cyber espionage or harmless mischief. It meets the definition of an act of cyberwar, and the US government should respond as such.This is insane for a variety of reasons, and hopefully no one is seriously listening to this. First of all, hacking happens all the time. In fact, as Ed Snowden points out, revealed documents show that the US itself has authorized the hacking of foreign political parties. So if Russian hackers possibly doing that to us is a "cyberwar attack" and it's the kind of thing we need to hit back on, then, uh, haven't we been committing "cyberwar" on tons of other parties via the NSA -- for which we, too, deserve retaliation?
Second, the idea that hacking into a political party's servers is "cyberwar" is a ludicrous exaggeration -- especially when their own security practices were suspect. As the ACLU's Chris Soghoian reminds us, it wasn't that long ago that our very own CIA director John Brennan found his personal email hacked by a 16-year-old. Was that a "cyberwar attack" as well? People are going to get hacked. It happens. Sometimes because they have weak security, and sometimes because the hackers are persistent and determined (no system is completely secure). That, alone, should never make it something that escalates to the level of "war."
Finally, beware of so-called "cybersecurity" firms continuing to beat this drum. Their entire business relies on keeping people freaked out about this stuff, including the idea that "nation state" hackers are trying to break into everything. They have lots of incentive to play up attacks and get people worked up about "war." "Cyberwar" (whatever the hell that means) is good for business for cybersecurity companies. In fact, some of those companies admit that the lessening of "cyber" tensions between the US and other countries is bad for their business:
Reminder: Cybersecurity firms like FireEye & Crowdstrike have a $$ incentive to keep nation-state hacking fears high pic.twitter.com/HIkSAGmEXg
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Cyberwar
Then both countries will send in their best solders who will fight it out in the ultimate game of team fortress. Whatever side wins has won the war. Suddenly "Cyberwar" becomes a lot less deadly and much more fun way to handle wars.
Of course depending on the conflict the countries could choose different games, but same idea still would apply.
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Now having a virtual reality war, that I can see making sense considering if we get the technology good enough we could fight an entirely virtual war and prevent any real death or damage.
Sadly though I think we are more likely to just keep going with the "lets build robots that can kill" idea. So in the end we can all die a horrible death at the hands of our own robots.
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That's a pleasant view of war, if this was 100 years ago I would agree. Now its all about enriching the coffers of companies that manufacture weapons, plus what you said.
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I mean come on, what are these wars even over these days? Lot of times it seems to be stupid religious fighting. You don't follow same god as me so I must kill you junk. How about we all just drop the stupid fighting and instead focus on more fun things like going into space.
Imagine the things we could do if all the military budgets world wide were taken away and directed at space programs. I bet we would have already colonized a few planets by now.
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At the end of the day, physical violence is the only solution. Those that say it is not, well, tell them to talk things out in a kangaroo court with false evidence against them and a lying judge, cop, prosecutor, and ignorant as fuck jury after their life.
Might makes right, no matter how wrong any asshole is!
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Really just look around the world today. I don't think anyone would call the US military weak, yet they are sure having a lot of trouble with these little terror groups.
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"So if Russian hackers possibly doing that to us is a "cyberwar attack" and it's the kind of thing we need to hit back on, then, uh, haven't we been committing "cyberwar" on tons of other parties via the NSA -- for which we, too, deserve retaliation?"
How do we know this isn't? We've been doing shitty things all around the world and in Cyberspace. Why is it we think there are no repercussions for our actions? Do as I say not as I do? It doesn't work that way.
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This whole fiasco is clearly a case of 'chicken coming home to roost' for democrat.
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Now... if you're a Senator... particularly one that has gone through what her and Bill did... you know DAMN WELL that running your own server is a big no no, and the only thing I can conclude is she wanted to be a sneaky bitch. And it worked too.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hillarys+missing+emails&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=hillary%27s+miss ing+emails
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Hacking email vs. hacking infrastructure vs. war apparatus
Of course it is worth considering having real security to prevent such attacks in all circumstances.
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You don't want anyone to know their classified weapons system is leaking valuable data, they might plug the leak. Their email though? That is rather useless and boring and not such a big deal if you loose access for a bit.
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Then again, he hopes Clinton would win the election, and then it would just be her problem.
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Well, little donkeys, quit your whining and enjoy the bed you've made.
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A few cuise missles up Russia's butt
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Oh, it's really not.
It's not insane. It's profitable -- for Dave Aitel, and for every specious "expert" like him who is willing to hype threats so that they can line their own pockets. Why should he care about the hundreds of millions of people who'd be adversely affected...as long as the cash register is ringing?
If you want sober commentary on security, dismiss self-promoting frauds like Aitel and turn to academic researchers. The typical post-doc researcher offers a much more reasoned and nuanced analysis, devoid of the necessity of exaggeration for profit's sake.
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Definition?
Um, whose definition, and where can I review it, Dave?
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Other than the Snowden-papers, which are more bragging about capabilities than evidence for successful data retrieval, there are few stories of US hackers getting anywhere with breaking into foreign systems. One can't help but wonder if the US cyberwarriors are really playing in the same league.
If they aren't, it might not be such a good idea to start a cyberwar ...
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I'd say that's pretty good.
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But:
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And look how that (didn't) turn out.
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The whole it's not a crime when we do it doesn't work if the other guy has just as strong a military as you do. You can't bully them then.
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