The NYPD's Third 'Forfeiture' Option: Call Seized Items 'Evidence;' Never Give Them Back
from the the-system-works dept
It's not just asset forfeiture being used by law enforcement to take property away from people. With civil asset forfeiture (as opposed to criminal asset forfeiture), property is deemed "guilty," even if its former possessors are not. Kaveh Waddell of The Atlantic is highlighting another way law enforcement agencies are taking possession of property: by calling it "evidence" and playing keep away with former defendants who've had their cases dismissed or have been acquitted.
Last summer, Kenneth Clavasquin was arrested in front of the Bronx apartment he shared with his mother. While the 23-year-old was being processed, the New York Police Department took his possessions, including his iPhone, and gave him a receipt detailing the items in police custody. That receipt would be his ticket to getting back his stuff after his case ended.
But the ticket is worthless. His case was dismissed but no one involved in the seizure of his items showed any interest in returning them. He brought the court's dismissal to the NYPD to retrieve his iPhone but the property desk claimed it was being held as "arrest evidence" -- even though there were no more criminal charges forthcoming. He was sent to the District Attorney's office to ask for permission to obtain the no longer needed "evidence," but the office was less than interested in helping him reclaim his belongings.
Clavasquin needed to get a release from the district attorney’s office stating that his property would no longer be needed for evidence. Over the following three months, he repeatedly called the assistant district attorney assigned to his case, but he neither got a release nor a written explanation of why he was being denied one.
Then, with the help of an attorney at the Bronx Defenders, a public-defender office that had been representing him since the day after his arrest, Clavasquin sent a formal written request for the district attorney’s release. He got no response.
Clavasquin's iPhone was seized in the summer of 2015. His case was dismissed in December. The phone is still in the possession of the NYPD while Clavasquin has continued making monthly service contract payments for a phone he can't use.
The article points out that this noxious blend of asset seizure and bureaucratic malaise affects "hundreds, if not thousands" of New York City arrestees. The city is now facing a class-action lawsuit over this process, filed by Clavasquin and two others with the help of Brooklyn Defenders. In these cases, neither form of asset forfeiture -- civil or criminal -- is being used. Instead, the NYPD is tying up possessions seized during arrests in miles of red tape, subverting what would appear from the outside to be a straightforward, two-step process: case dismissed, items returned.
Even if someone is able to move heaven, earth, and the District Attorney's office, that's not the end of the frustration. One thing most arrestees carry often disappears into the evidence locker as well, greatly increasing the difficulty of retrieving possessions.
The NYPD property clerk, which actually holds on to the items, requires two forms of ID before releasing any property. Drumming up two forms of ID can be difficult on its own, but it’s made harder still if the person’s wallet, which may contain a driver’s license, is in police custody. (The property clerk won’t count a seized license as a valid form of ID.)
Not only is the process labyrinthine, frustrating, and nonsensical, but there's a clock ticking the whole time. A person has 120 days from the point the criminal case has ended to demand return of their items from the NYPD. If their case has been dismissed, they have 270 days to secure the elusive release form from the DA's office -- something that explains the office's disinterest in answering phone calls, emails or letters asking for this piece of paper. Once the clock runs out, the city is free to auction off the seized property.
If the DA's office wants to put seized items into indefinite limbo, all it has to do is classify them as "investigatory evidence," which means they might be used at some point in future to further a criminal investigation. The DA's office has every reason to put seized items out of reach of their owners and very little compelling it to relinquish control of property that can eventually be used to (indirectly) fund its office. In practical terms, being arrested by the NYPD means losing whatever you had on you permanently -- unless you have the funds to pay an aggressive lawyer to navigate the deliberately daunting retrieval process.
Also of note is the fact that the most common item in NYPD evidence lockers are cellphones. Considering how many of these were seized during run-of-the-mill arrests, one has to question assertions made by district attorneys like Cyrus Vance, who claim there are hundreds of phones prosecutors and investigators can't access because of encryption. Sure, the numbers may be correct (Vance claimed his office was dealing with 175 uncrackable phones), but one has to ask how many of these actually may hold evidentiary value, and how many are simply sitting around waiting for the clock to run out so they can be auctioned.
It's just another form of legal robbery, once you strip away the bureaucratic lingo and law enforcement statements that try to give this a veneer of respectability. When criminal cases are dismissed, seized belonging are "evidence" of nothing and should be released to their owners. Instead, law enforcement agencies and district attorneys offices are working together to keep non-criminals from their rightful belongings.
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"Why no, we seem to have misplaced the paperwork, and will continue to do so for... 56 more days it looks like."
If the incentives were reversed like that, if stealing items from those they arrest, stonewalling requests to get it back until too late, and then selling them padded not their wallets but helped pay for the defense of those they accuse I imagine they would not only not stonewall, they'd go out of their way to either 'lose' the items in some cop's house or return it as quickly as possible.
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We're gonna take their property, because we can, & then auction it off to cover the costs of arresting them. It doesn't matter if the charges end up dismissed, they need to pay for having drawn our attention.
We're gonna have a list of sex offenders, but we are going to expand the "crimes" that can get you on that list making it mostly useless except for punishing people. So what if they can't find a place to live, they never should have peed in that alley.
It is becoming clear that the only difference between the justice system & gangs is better matching uniforms & badges.
People never seem to care until it directly nails them, & then are outraged that it can happen... ignoring the thousands others who got screwed over before them that they ignored assuming the system is fair & just.
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- Attorney General Edwin Meese III
Surely that applies to cell phones too.
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"TROOPS is filmed on location with the men of the Imperial Forces. All suspects are guilty--period! Otherwise, they wouldn't be suspects, would they?"
- Bill Farmer (1997) [Intro opening monologue for the Star Wars Troops/COPS parody]
Only today on this planet, it is not a parody, but a reality.
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Note from NYPD.
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On the topic of corrupt crap like that: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/19/john_oneill_sexual_risk_order_it_consultant_insane_sec_ban/
( He lost by the way.)
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Can't go through, under or over the wall....
1. You get arrested, the charges are dropped.
2. Request the return of the evidence in writing immediately.
3. Cops/DA stonewall, delay, refuse, etc.
4. File multiple, written requests, perhaps along with cautionary language as and so on.
5. On the date indicated in step four above, submit printed copies of any and all letters requesting the return of any phone(s) seized by the cop to the cell phone service provider(s) and report them stolen, asking that the service be terminated or suspended.
6. After the phone(s) are auctioned/sold/etc., identify and locate the new owner, give them a chance to return the phone. If they refuse, turn them over to the prosecutor with a formal complaint that they are in possession of stolen property.
Likely, this won't work, but hopefully, but if followed and publicized enough times, it might make people think two or three times before buying cell phones at police impound auctions.
At minimum, it should make it more difficult for people to get service for those seized phones.
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Unintended consequences
Idiots will often poison their own well, forgetting that they do have to drink from it eventually. The LEO's and DA's have families and extended families that are in all likelihood being set up as targets by the very actions these individuals participate in.
One has to be sad at the stupidity of the various LEO and associated groups as they fail to recognise that their terror tactics will eventually fail them and they will be hoited by their own petards.
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And there goes my chance for "Funniest comment of the Week" again. Why even try?
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The Police are flagrant and in our face with corruption and abuse. They are taunting us. The police seem to be intent on starting a war with citizens. The BLM seems ready to respond as well.
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Remember, 'Stupid criminals end up in prison, smart criminals end up in law enforcement and/or politics.'
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Now, making a robbery or theft report is just letting the police know to go get your property and keep it until you aren't interested in it anymore.
Why call the police anymore?
Why fund the police/thieves?
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Property Clerk | Police Auctions
Information
Property is now auctioned online at www.propertyroom.com.
Ya, so there's that.....
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RICO act
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The police seem to have no desire for reform and the citizens have shown they are losing patience with the justice system. Some breaking down and shooting cops sooner than others.
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Most just do not give a fuck... MOST. Most have to lose patience for it to have a real effect.
But yea, next time you vote for that "Tough on Crime politician or judge" just remember, you just renewed the vim, piss, and vigor of your abusive police force.
The moment a politician can track their lost job to a corrupt police department is the moment shit gets cleaned up!
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U.S. citizens with Irish roots have Square and Line dances to memorize their origins. You have the NYPD.
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Try this
Then there's this one: in St. Petersburg, FL, a man had his new Corvette impounded because the flour spilled on the center console had to be tested for being a drug (even the owner agreed that this part of it was reasonable). But they had the car for weeks, and were using it (he'd seen it being driven around). He sued for rental fees, at $150/day plus miles, and WON. So perhaps people should start suing the NYPD for rental of their phones. Once you start affecting their budget, you might be able to make them do what is required.
But I like the theft route, if you can do it. They've got it, they know they shouldn't, and they won't give it back. Sounds like theft to me.
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