Rutgers Lecturer Forcibly Sent For Psych Evaluation By NYPD For Some Tweets About The Election
from the reprogramming-in-effect dept
As you may have noticed, a lot of people have opinions on the election that just happened. And, many people are using social media to express those opinions, for good or for bad. Some people are excited, some people are angry. And no matter which side you fall on, you should recognize that expressing opinions on social media is protected (and should be encouraged as part of a healthy political process involving public discussion and debate). Kevin Allred, a lecturer at Rutgers University, is definitely on the side of folks who aren't happy with the results of the election. And, like many, he's been tweeting about his opinions on the matter. Having read through his Twitter feed, it doesn't seem all that out of the ordinary from stuff that I've seen from others. In fact, I'd argue that it actually seems fairly tame.Either way, last night he Tweeted that the NYPD had come to his house because the police at Rutgers believed he was "a threat" based on some of his tweets. There were two tweets in particular. One was about burning a flag in protest and the other was a rhetorical question about the 2nd Amendment.
thinking of a collective flag burning activity for anyone that wants to participate. 🔥🇺🇸🔥
— Kevin Allred (@KevinAllred) November 9, 2016
i said: would conservatives care as much abt the 2nd amendment if guns killed more white people? a question meant to expose double standard
— Kevin Allred (@KevinAllred) November 16, 2016
The Rutgers police and NYPD apparently disagreed. They forced him to go to a psychiatric hospital to be evaluated.
and this is for exercising my fucking first amendment rights. i'm being labeled a threat and put in a psych hospital
— Kevin Allred (@KevinAllred) November 16, 2016
even the doctors thought it was ridiculous to take me to a psychiatric hospital and force me into evaluation. it was fucking intimidation.
— Kevin Allred (@KevinAllred) November 16, 2016
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The First Word
“He also apparently tweeted "if I see any Trump bumper stickers on the road today, my brakes will go out and I'll run you off the road."
So how many tweets like that can someone make before someone reasonably becomes concerned?
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Police State behaving as well as their controls allow
Ming the Merciless had a better attitude toward his minions.
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And the medical bills go to...
We can't be charging that to the public... that would be a waste of taxes...
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Blame the doctors as well.
He wasn't mentally ill, there was no indication that he was a threat to himself or anyone else. He should not have been admitted.
I wonder if there will be an expensive lawsuit over this.
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Where have I read this story before?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/justice/new-mexico-search-settlement/
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"Not a cop" == "Not human"
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Where's the threat?
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Two things
Second, is there any source for this besides the person in question? All the links in the article just go to his tweets (except the one to Wikipedia indicating that flag burning is legal.) It seems to me that he's not exactly a neutral source. How do we know this happened? How do we know there's not something else going on?
If it IS true, then it's unacceptable, and someone needs to be held accountable.
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It seems to me that he's not exactly a neutral source.
How do we know this happened?
How do we know there's not something else going on?"
Looks as though you are searching for excuses, any particular reason for this?
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I don't get it
If I'm not under arrest, I'm not going anywhere I don't want to.
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but try to put yourself in this person's shoes. Police have power and a very strong ability to intimidate tons of folks. Depending how the approached him and what they said they could easily have manipulated/intimidated him into doing what they wanted. Lots of folks don't have the training and even those who do may completely forget it the second they are in an intense situation like this.
Not everyone is some badass anti-authoritarian like you who knows every legal requirement for arrest. He may have genuinely thought he had no choice but to comply.
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They'll bust down the door and come in, warrant or no.
Your honor! There were exigent circumstances!
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No one fears for our lives more than we do.
Our fear is huge, you will be so fearful that you will get sick of being so fearful.
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With the first you can check yourself out at any time and there's no permanent legal stigma.
With the second you're there until the doctors decide to let you go and you can (in some places) lose your rights to firearms (though since this guy is so anti-gun I don't think that would matter much to him).
If you don't come along quietly they'll just get an order to have you committed.
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The NYPD has even taken to using this technique on its own members when they insist that the orders of Federal Judges be followed.
It is certainly an arrest within the meaning of the word. Force, or the threat of force was used to move a man from one location to another. The police better hope it was an arrest, otherwise it would be unlawful imprisonment if the man was kept for less than 24 hours, kidnapping if longer.
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T hat's a bit different than how he later paraphrased it. It's still protected speech, but it's a lot more dicey than he's playing now. Either way though, without something more to go on, the cops had no probable cause just based on tweets. They would have had to have some witnesses saying he said something else in person from the campus. Would not surprise me if they did though. I'm amazed at how 'eye witnesses' hear and see what they want, not what was actually said or done.
The most likely chain of events is he said something inflamatory, someone else heard what they thought was a threat, repeated it in more dramatic (and dangerous) words to the cops, the cops then decided that they didn't like his tone in tweets and went with it, despite the eye witness likely having mis-remembered what was said (I have two uncles who were cops, they said the only thing more unreliable than an eye witness was a con man).
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He also apparently tweeted "if I see any Trump bumper stickers on the road today, my brakes will go out and I'll run you off the road."
So how many tweets like that can someone make before someone reasonably becomes concerned?
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Well, that's a shootin' right there.
The nerve!
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The for profit mental health industry says so.
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Missing something?
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His actual tweets, as preserved by Patrick
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So yeah, this guy's not being truthful.
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Inflammatory 101
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They would have had to have been believable.
The immediacy of the stirrings of emotion would have provoked a reasonable person to instantaneous violence.
And likely other conditions. A tweet is not going to fall into that category.
But then who cares about the Constitution until their rights are violated.
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Sounds good to me...
Personally I think the police officers involved should be put in general population wearing special pink and white stripes to send a proper message.
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Well if you get enough of US to agree with you, and no... that is not going to happen.
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Nothing surprising here, move along
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Seems more like a statement of hate for one's nationality and country more than a protest of anything.
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More love and tolerance from the left?
Hypocrite much?
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Whaaaaaaa
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Semantics
"will the 2nd amendment be as cool when i buy a gun and start shooting at random black people or no?"
And:
"if I see any Hillary bumper stickers on the road today, my brakes will go out and i'll run you off the road"
Voila! Now it's hate speech! Quick! Call the media over-reaction squads!
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https://popehat.com/2016/11/16/true-threats-v-protected-speech-post-election-edition/
*Those* tweets are likely why he ended up in custody.
'If I see any Trump bumper stickers on the road today, my brakes will go out and I'll run you off the road.'
'Will the 2nd Amendment be as cool when I buy a gun and start shooting at random white people or no . . . ?'
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Zersetzung
As for actual crimes, well... that depends on who you are. After all,
what's the big deal about the wanton destruction of MENA country or
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Oh, and Padpaw, about the flag-burning? I'll burn your flag too, if
it'll make you feel any better.
Just let me know which one.
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I'm surprised that I haven't been visited yet even though I haven't espoused violence, but with the more fascist regime coming, my posts are going to be interpreted as rioting.
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