DOJ Says Coronavirus Emergency Justifies Indefinite Detention Of Arrested People
from the not-enough-dystopian-hellscape,-say-Justice-reps dept
With the administration no longer able to ignore the threat posed by the coronavirus, it's decided to secure some additional powers for itself while the nation's defenses are low. As Betsy Woodruff Swan reports for Politico, the DOJ is seeking to add "indefinite detention" to its list of criminal justice perks as courtrooms around the nation undergo significant operational restrictions.
The Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the novel coronavirus spreads throughout the United States.
Documents reviewed by POLITICO detail the department’s requests to lawmakers on a host of topics, including the statute of limitations, asylum and the way court hearings are conducted. POLITICO also reviewed and previously reported on documents seeking the authority to extend deadlines on merger reviews and prosecutions.
The DOJ has refused to comment on this power grab. Not all of it is unusual. Plenty of cases already in progress are going to be delayed because of restrictions on courts meant to stem the flow of the virus. But this goes beyond cases that are already underway. This would affect people who've only been accused of criminal acts and have yet to receive even a single day in court.
The proposal would also grant those top judges broad authority to pause court proceedings during emergencies. It would apply to “any statutes or rules of procedure otherwise affecting pre-arrest, post-arrest, pre-trial, trial, and post-trial procedures in criminal and juvenile proceedings and all civil process and proceedings,” according to draft legislative language the department shared with Congress.
Judges already have some power to control proceedings during emergencies, but this asks judges to treat cases where only an arrest has occurred as events that can be strung out indefinitely. With so many lives already disrupted by the shutdown of businesses and services, putting an accused person's life in indefinite limbo is only going to cause more harm to a population that is already suffering plenty of it.
Fortunately, this has already been shot down by members of Congress. And it's not just along party lines. Riley Beggin reports for Vox that the rejection of the DOJ's power move is bipartisan.
Legal experts and politicians on both sides of the aisle quickly condemned the request. Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) tweeted “OVER MY DEAD BODY;” Democratic Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (NY) wrote, “Two Words: Hell No;” and Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweeted “Absolutely not” — a sentiment Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-KY) chief strategist, Doug Stafford, agreed with.
This isn't quite the same thing as being shot down in the halls of Congress itself, so there's still a small chance the DOJ will get its way. But this doesn't bode well for its opportunistic move, which seems more punitive than useful, especially when putting more people behind bars increases the odds of the virus spreading. Quarantine is almost impossible in jails and prisons, and even if you don't care about accused criminals, the people staffing jails aren't able to perform their duties without mingling with a possibly infected population.
The DOJ is also asking for a prosecution pause button while court proceedings are on hold, allowing it to bypass the statute of limitations for cases originating during this national emergency. It would give the DOJ at least a two-year pass, covering both current cases and any developing within a year of the "end" of the national emergency. There's nothing wrong with asking for this, since doing otherwise would basically give criminals a free pass for federal crimes committed during the national emergency. But it does suggest it's far more than the economy that's going to be disrupted for months (or years) to come.
If there's anything positive in this last request, it's that it may result in better prosecutorial discretion. With manpower limited and courts mostly closed for business, the DOJ will have to pick and choose which cases it wants to pursue. This will hopefully lead to less effort wasted prosecuting people for things like lying to feds or being talked into being terrorists by FBI informants.
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Better than Martial Law
Under Martial Law, accused criminals can be hung with the briefest of trials held before sentencing is carried out.
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"In 1878, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids U.S. military involvement in domestic law enforcement without congressional approval."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_the_United_States
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This request needs to be put down like a rabid dog.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10814760/bill-gates-predicted-coronavirus-simulation-33-million-die/
N o wonder people suspect Bill Gates.
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"N o wonder people suspect Bill Gates."
I have little love for Gates, but it isn't really odd that the quintessential nerd who spent his life developing computer programs would build and run simulations.
He may also not be far off, but that assumes COVID-19 retains the same dispersion pattern and risk of death which has been observed so far.
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an alternative, of course, is to keep the courts running rain or shine or disease-ridden-bodies. People who don't show up for their (often "appear again on this other day") appearances? Have a warrant for their arrest done up.
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Not everyone is convinced that's a good idea. For example, from the Simple Justice law blog: Judge Pinky Carr: The Idiot In The Courtroom
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Jeez! Why not just go the whole Nazi bit and lock everyone up except the security services, the politicians, the rich, famous and the elite? All those mentioned are the worst people on the Planet! With them out the way, maybe, just maybe, the rest of us will have a chance to have decent lives, lives that can advance and prosper without fear of infinging on this copyright or that patent or stop some selfish asshole from lising a dime, where we can help each other and share things!
Yeah, i know. Cloud cuckoo land here i come!
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And except for the Masons who would be forever employed building the prisons..
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Re: Re:Masons?
Why, that's a conspiracy theory right there!
We all know good, solid union members build the prisons for those upstanding Prison Industrial Complex shareholders.
You are obviously a Manchurian mass media consumer!
https://isgp-studies.com/media-recognizing-disinformation
(and this, just for fun: https://isgp-studies.com/ngo)
There is NO MASONIC CONSPIRACY(to condition US, and other human males to accept rape, fear rape, via prison rape programming)!!!!!!
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Show us on the doll where the Mason touched you.
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Never let a good crisis (or pandemic) go to waste!
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San Antonio Texas has the world's largest bat cave population with 15 million Mexican free tailed bats, hosting tours and hikes at the Backen Bat Cave purchased by Bat Conservation International.
Logic would place this as ground zero for the corona viruses that have been occuring in this country and throughout the world, then transported to Fort Detrick Bio-weapons lab to be used for population control in an act of domestic and international terrorism to prevent the spread of the truth about the fourth financial fraud induced economic collapse in 33 years.
http://www.batcon.org/
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Ooh, my little pretty one, pretty one
When you gonna give me some time, BatCorona?
Ooh, you make my motor run, my motor run
Gun it coming off of the line, BatCorona
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🗣🦇💩
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Also noteworthy is that coronavirus A has not been detected in Asian or European bats. San Antonio is home to 80,000 active duty military personel. Terrorism in Texas has included repeated buring of oil refineries and toxic and hazardous waste sites.
Some have suggested that the new FANGs is FIRE, finincials, insurance, real estate. The facts seem to bare that out. Eco-terrorism for insurance fraud, particularly in Texas and California!
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"Eco-terrorism for insurance fraud, particularly in Texas and California!"
That just took a sharp nosedive into conspiracy theory bullshit. A religious fanatic might use a doomsday weapon, but anyone with a fiscal motive will NOT use any weapon which would equally wreck EVERY industry and might kill him/herself and their families with it.
Insurance fraud is not perpetrated by lighting your house on fire while you're still sitting in it.
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"Insurance fraud is not perpetrated by lighting your house on fire while you're still sitting in it."
Yup, it is not insurance fraud .... it is cooking meth
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Not all conspiracies are Theories!!
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That meme was once very effective. Not somuch in the digital age
Sure, the Noble, Free, USA once employed Nazi scientists!
Conspiracy theory!!!!!!
https://bestlifeonline.com/true-conspiracy-theories/
These days, with a unified Zionist, Jewish-Dominionist-uber-white and Jewish christian front, its easier to perpetuate that form of delusional thinking.
Just look at Claus D. and his pal, Scary Devil Monastery for evidence of that. And look deeply into the two years log battle I have had with an autistic bhull, and other spergs here.
These Techdirt in-house trolls and derailers cannot stop itselfs from spewing conspiracy theory!!!!! every time we peel back another layer of JTRIG/CIA/NGO/DoD disinformation.
This is what is called co-option in activist circles. It has happened since the coup of 1963.
Either way, we are dealing with radical zionists and dominionists, very frequently racist and Kabballists, who only want to perpetuate their religious tribal lunacy, via narrative control and that especially toxic memetic of conspiracy theory.
Even Einstein was buggered by these people(literally, some say). I mean these people, whoever THEY are
Yup. They seek to control scientific inquiry by limiting the scope of our questions, and they are anathema to science itself, which starts with a question and then, builds to question other questions.
See? Even the questioning is suspect to Claus D. and its associates, or Stephen "The Best Nazi Zombie Recruit Ever" Stone, et al.
These are not real people. Shoot them on sight, partisan!
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Re: That meme was once very effective. Not somuch in the digital
" Sure, the Noble, Free, USA once employed Nazi scientists!"
To be completely correct the nazi scientists were divided between the US and the USSR. It wasn't exactly a secret either, to the point where Tom Lehrer's song about "Werner von Braun" became a smashing hit.
But realpolitik is not "conspiracy" and this was about as subtle as the archetypical colonial land grab.
"Just look at Claus D. and his pal, Scary Devil Monastery for evidence of that. And look deeply into the two years log battle I have had with an autistic bhull, and other spergs here."
So basically you're whining that we're flagging your ass for repetitively being an ableist bigot who keeps spouting bona fide nazi rhetoric while claiming you aren't actually an anti-semite?
"...cannot stop itselfs from spewing conspiracy theory!!!!! every time we peel back another layer of JTRIG/CIA/NGO/DoD disinformation."
Well, we could always call it simple bullshit because that is what it is. All you keep doing is serve up word salads about alphabet soup agencies who have easily understood political motives for what they do rater than simply marching to the tune of the Global Jewish Conspiracy.
"Either way, we are dealing with radical zionists and dominionists, very frequently racist and Kabballists..."
Strange how you always try to make the question out to be one of religion when every last example you usually serve up is very specifically jewish.
And hilariously bad examples at that. I mean, unless you think the kabbalist mystics are actually capable of magic I'm not sure how some dude who spends 24/7 of his time studying old tomes looking for numerical patterns is much of a threat.
"These are not real people. Shoot them on sight, partisan!"
So all you have, once again, is a collection of ethnic and ableist slurs along with loose allegations of conspiracies involving the alphabet soup agencies all marching to the tune of ze jews. And at the end, a call to murder those who refuse to believe your bullshit.
It would be a miracle if you didn't end up generating flag-on-sight reflexes in ANY reader even nominally rational.
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Show us on the doll where the Zionist touched you.
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The Camp fire
I have witnessed those fires firsthand in CA, most recently in 2016-17, and have investigated a few of those fires myself, and guess what?
There are indeed curious ties to some of the major fires, and the official narratives of how those fires began, or how they could have been stopped/abated earlier, if not entirely prevented by the LAPD/LA Cty/Ventura Sherrifs departments.
These entirely preventable fires are a big payday for PDs, sheriffs, FDs, S et al., not to mention the wine growers with their over-insured vineyards.
Dont listen to the TD naysayers who disdain every investigation of facts and counter facts as "conspiracy theories," because half of TDs mob ( and that faux Swede just below my post here) takes its marching orders from organizations like these:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Institute_for_Statecraft
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"..and that faux Swede just below my post here"
Ta dig i dalen, virrpanna. Och lär dig en gång för alla att inte en käft går på dina idiotier - särskilt inte när dina vilda fantasier går att motbevisa på någon minut.
You are truly a living illustration of the adage that it is better to keep silent and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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I would be surprised if there were no corona viruses in those bat populations. That does not mean that they are a source of human corona viruses. Also note, sometimes a cold is caused by a corona virus, so not al corona viruses are a cause for panic.
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"I would be surprised if there were no corona viruses in those bat populations. That does not mean that they are a source of human corona viruses."
Correct. The ignorant layman reads without understanding and starts screaming in hysterics. Animals regularly carry pathogens which are close relatives to some of the worst pandemics in history. That doesn't mean you can easily contract any of the dozens of diseases carried by wildlife or pets.
In the rare cases when you can what we have is a zoonosis capable of leaping species barrier - which is a relatively rare occurrence in any but a very specific minority of pathogens (such as the influenza virii). SARS and SARS-CoV-2 (causing COVID-19) are relative newcomers here.
What conspiracy theorists do when they read about "coronaviruses in bats" is analogous to looking at the example of a school shooter and coming to the conclusion that "Humans" have a usual behavior of shooting children. With the predictable result that they then see killers everywhere.
And it just gets embarrassing when they try to convince people the apparently Very Smart Hidden Masters Governing Us All are releasing uncontrollable bioweapons, apparently for shit'z'n'giggles, in some attempt to gain control over...what they, given their presumed capabilities, they already control completely.
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You are out of your bloody mind. If bats in Texas started all this, San Antonio would have been ground zero. But it wasn't. Wuhan China was.
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"ou are out of your bloody mind. If bats in Texas started all this, San Antonio would have been ground zero. But it wasn't. Wuhan China was."
Never let fact and logic stand in the way of a good yarn. I'm thinking most conspiracy theorists are just so unwilling to accept the triviality of human sociology they need to invent some epic world-spanning organization of shady control-freak demigods to spice up what they'd otherwise have to consider an unacceptably mundane world.
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You are also full of disbelief that this could have been created in a laboratory. When more than three dozen labs around the world have this pathogen in their freezers, you make yourself look foolish to rule out automatically terrorism.
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More like uninterested in assuming that it was. If you have any evidence that it was produced in a lab, rather than originating from a market as everyone investigating it has concluded, then share it.
Source?
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"When more than three dozen labs around the world have this pathogen in their freezers..."
Except that they don't.
What they have is multiple strains of old-style SARS which happens to differ from SARS-CoV-2 in less than 0,1% of it's total genome. Which is basically normal. You don't need to change more than a few dozen bases on the RNA to end up with a completely new strain.
And we can automatically rule out terrorism because any pathogen intended as an actual bioweapon wouldn't use, as a basis, SARS. Too mild by far for the fanatic doom cult and way too uncontrollable for the presumedly rational and survival-driven people.
Pro Tip bro - pack a few years of academics, perferably in biology under your belt before you decide to comment on scientific findings.
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I'll try to link it later, but I ran across a video on youtube that made a rather compelling case that the conspiracy theory mindset is basically the evolutionary baggage of seeing intent in random things cranked up to 11, such that if something 'important' happens it simply must have been on purpose, carried out with deliberate intent.
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That makes conspiracy theories the same as the ancient worlds blaming the capricious Gods, giving agency to random events
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"That makes conspiracy theories the same as the ancient worlds blaming the capricious Gods, giving agency to random events"
That is exactly what it is. The reason you can't argue with a bona fide conspiracy theorists is because it's become his religion. The Pattern he believes he's observed becomes that article of faith around which he has to fit his whole world image.
Whether it's flat-earthers, UFO fanatics or the ever-popular Illuminati/Global Jewish Conspiracy/Hidden Masters meme they are completely and exclusively devoted to the belief that a pseudo-supernatural force governs everything.
Easy to fall into as well, because looking at what happens in the world is depressing enough. "Humans being shortsighted, greedy, and easily scared" is just too mundane and hopeless so all too many people hope and want to find some suitably epic reason which means we, as a species, aren't just still failing at being better than talking monkeys.
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Found it.
Suspicious Minds: Why We Believe Conspiracy Theories | Rob Brotherton.
Fair warning, the comments section is exactly what you would expect given the subject matter.
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"...such that if something 'important' happens it simply must have been on purpose, carried out with deliberate intent."
And anyone doubting that or naysaying it must be part of the coverup, which at the end has the conspiracy theorist isolated and paranoid, having trained himself to fill-in-the-blanks with the explanation he's made his article of faith.
And that's how cults emerge. After a certain point there's no real difference between a religious fanatic and a conspiracy theorist. They are both completely hijacked by having a ready ultimate origin which must be used to explain everything.
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Not Just the Feds
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Strange..
If they are homeless, or no place to go, it would be good to house them, even in jail. BUT GIVE THEM BETTER FOOD PLEASE.
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No homeless person wants to be in jail.
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What WHO does not want people to know is that the medical mafia is running a fraud scheme and obscenely over charging people for things that grow naturally most of the time in Alkaloid plants, which marijuana is one of and why they are so against its legalization.
Almost every effective drug on the market is derrived from an alkaloid plant, or a synthetic version of it. Most of these have been in use for at least 4,000 years.
The drug quinine, and synthetic versions will probably sky
rocket. The medical mafia is pissed that it works and is even more pissed that it is so cheap, but an explosive and sudden increase in demand will undoubtedly cause a sudden increase in its price. That is the basic rule of economics. There will have to be a sudden and expolsive increase in the supply as well, obviously. At some point there will be a fair price through price discovery. If people know that someone is reaping obscene profits, competitors will jump in and start manufacturing and under cutting obscene prices, unless prevented by fascist authorities.
https://www.britannica.com/science/alkaloid
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"What WHO does not want people to know is that the medical mafia is running a fraud scheme and obscenely over charging people for things..."
Yes?
Sorry, but I don't think that comes as news to anyone who even knows the term "Big Pharma" or who realized that most medical patents were meant to ensure people in the 3rd world needed to pay hundreds of dollars worth for a dose of AIDS medicine which costs a dollar fifty to manufacture. Hell, quite a lot of suggested international trade treaties were built around the idea of making "generics" impossible to manufacture and sell.
It's why India had to legislate Compulsory Licensing just to work around the patent barrier or watch a hundred thousand infants die.
WHO is actually one of those organizations which have brought shit like this to the table and into public view. That said, WHO is a mixed bag of interests, not a monolithic organization.
You'd be better of blaming the directly responsible - Merck, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis...and above all, Pfizer. Whatever the medical shenanigan you're looking at it comes down to lobbyists employed by these usual suspects.
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"The drug quinine, and synthetic versions will probably sky
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How many have died due to their failed attempts to use this untested regimen?
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"How many have died due to their failed attempts to use this untested regimen?"
All too many, I think.
Yes, quinine has shown early beneficial effects in stemming COVID-19 but the side effects of quinine are not harmless. Anyone trying to self-medicate without a team of skilled and fully equipped ER medics is taking a serious risk of dying to the "cure".
The same holds true for any other antiviral to be tested against COVID-19 - which isn't surprising. Most antivirals achieve their effects by trying to more or less selectively hinder ribosomes from making more copies of the virus. That's not happening without collateral damage.
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If you guys want to read the actual DOJ proposal, it's actually online right now. You can read/download a copy at:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-proposes-video-hearings-and-delayed-proceedings-c ope-pandemic
The suspension of court proceedings part is on the first page of the "Tab B" portion of the PDF document, section 1660.
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How sick the people at the NIH ( National Institute of Health) are! I happen to be an unwilling victim of sick ssadistic Nazi Mengele type experimentation, but even reading about these monsters hanging a moyse upside dow by its tail for thirty minutes and placing them in plastic tubes, then filling them with water forcing them to swim is sick as hell! These psychopaths are disgusting! Stop paying psychopaths to torture people and animals! This is pointless! It is sheer madness! They have lossed their minds, obviously!
More like the National Institute of Mad Men! These monsters ought to be locked up for good!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866040/?report=classic
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How sick the people at the NIH ( National Institute of Health) are! I happen to be an unwilling victim of sick ssadistic Nazi Mengele type experimentation, but even reading about these monsters hanging a mouse upside dow by its tail for thirty minutes and placing them in plastic tubes, then filling them with water forcing them to swim is sick as hell! These psychopaths are disgusting! Stop paying psychopaths to torture people and animals! This is pointless! It is sheer madness! They have lossed their minds, obviously!
More like the National Institute of Mad Men! These monsters ought to be locked up for good!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866040/?report=classic
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The "tail suspension method" of sadistically taping a mouse tail to a stick and hanging it upside down and watching and recording it struglle has been the " new and preferred method" for testing anti-depressants since 1985. That just goes to show you how fucked up the medical mafia mad men are and the lengths that they are willing to go to to get mad money! What did they give them in medical school? A daily dose of mercury?! These monsters are mentally incompetent retarded mutants, that really should be edited from society!
You would think that after 35 years of this torture program, someone would have blown the whistle and said that they were unqualified to do anything, especially practice medicine on the grounds of mental incompetency!
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The Federal Reserve, the banksters that lend the country and government fiat money for what ever interest rate they feel like charging, was just bailed out to the tune of $4 trillon.
This must be for the oversight of the largest national project in world history, which will dwarf goimg to the moon by all accounts - The Trillion Tree Project.
This project will eliminate unemployement all together, as well as many useless bureaucracies and financially fraudulent corporations, including the Federal Reserve itself.
There will never be another toilette paper shortage, and will reduce CO2 monumentally, and also reduce asthma, COPD, and many other ailments, possibly the coronavirus itself!
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Imagine That
I was right, again.
I said the Patriot Act was just the tip of the icebergh. Now, where I work is handing out official papers stating we're critical employees and we have to keep our name badges and ID on us at all times.
Papers, please.
Seig HEIL!
Just as I predicted on 9/11/01
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A new Korematsu v. United States?
I'm reading Stephen Breyer's "Making our democracy work" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Breyer and I get a déjà vu...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korematsu_v._United_States
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Hello
the Patriot Act says "Hi"
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Re: Hello
The patriot act says FUCK YOU. Stop spreading disinformation!
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