Media Spends Years Insisting Facebook Makes Society Worse; Then Trumpets A Poll Saying People Think Facebook Makes Society Worse
from the nice-work-there dept
It still is amazing to me how many people in the more traditional media insist that social media is bad and dangerous and infecting people's brains with misinformation... but who don't seem to recognize that every single such claim made about Facebook applies equally to their own media houses. Take, for example, CNN. Last week it excitedly blasted out the results of a poll that showed three fourths of adults believe Facebook is making society worse.
Now, there is an argument that Facebook has made society worse, though I don't think it's a particularly strong one. For many, many people, Facebook has been a great way to connect and communicate with friends and family -- especially during a pandemic when many of us have been unable to see many friends and family in person.
Either way it's undeniable that the traditional media -- which, it needs to be noted, compete with social media for ad dollars -- has spent the last five years blasting out the story over and over again that pretty much everything bad in the world can be traced back to Facebook, despite little to no actual evidence to support this. So, then, if CNN after reporting about how terrible and evil Facebook is for five years, turns around and polls people, of course most of them are going to parrot back what CNN and other media have been saying all this time. Hell, I'm kind of surprised that it's only 76% of people who claim Facebook has made society worse.
I mean, just in the past couple months, every CNN story I can find about Facebook seems to be completely exaggerated, with somewhat misleading claims blaming pretty much everything wrong in the world on Facebook. It's almost like CNN (and other media organizations) are in the business of hyping up stories to manipulate emotions -- the very thing that everyone accuses Facebook of doing. Except with CNN, there are actual human employees making those decisions about what you see. Which is not how Facebook works. Here are just a few recent CNN stories I found:
- Tech billionaire: Facebook is what's wrong with America
- Former Zuckerberg adviser: Facebook's problem is its business model
- 'We need to admit reality,' Facebook whistleblower says. Here's what might happen next
- Facebook's public relations strategy seems increasingly desperate
- Facebook's alarming plan for news feeds
- Wall Street Journal's Facebook Files series prompts comparisons to Big Tobacco
- Facebook is having a tougher time managing vaccine misinformation than it is letting on, leaks suggest
- How to protect ourselves against Facebook's failures
This is not a defense of Facebook, because I still believe the company has lots and lots of problems. But the idea that a poll from CNN tells us anything even remotely useful or enlightening is just pure misinformation.
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FTFY
"Media Spends Years Making Society Worse; Then Trumpets A Poll Saying People Think Facebook Makes Society Worse"
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But I thought it was VCR that was making society worse? I wonder how much Facebook stock is owned by Blockbuster? Ooh, those dastardly fiends!
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Facebook is the Boston Strangler of social media? Shit, don’t give the media any more ideas.
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Why the media blames social media.
When you manipulate society, find somebody else to blame for the damage you have caused.
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Legacy media makes society worse by produing deliberately divisive ragebait (as if modern politics wasn't too full of hate and division already). Facebook is where we see the results.
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The Shinning light
NOW,
The most interesting part in this, is the Looking at WHO said what. Is a news paper anything more then NEWS?
To produce it as NEWS, and not editorial(From the news paper) it Must be said by someone else.
So, you create that Someone else, to report about.
And this has been happening for years. And Trying to get this thought/idea/information out in the wild to be Looked at, in the past, would have gotten stomped in the dirt.
With the internet and its ability to LET people talk about everything. Abit of knowledge May be had.
Unless we are the Turtle, and are so used to living in a hole, protected by our shells, and hibernating until things clear up and the rains come.
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People wouldn't be spreading as much Covid disinformation on Facebook if they'd never gotten it from FOX in the first place.
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The claim is not proof of the claim
I'm reminded of seeing the constant and repeated cries that the election is/will be rigged from certain people/groups, followed by those same people/groups pointing to the fact that a number of people believed them as proof that the claims had merit.
When you're the one telling others that something is true the fact that some people might believe you is evidence that a number of people believed you and nothing else, you've still got all your work ahead of you actually supporting your claim.
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Facebook changes elections as an active participant
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/10/what-facebook-did/542502/
They have been feckless and/or unwilling to combat disinfo campaigns.
They have created mechanisms for microtargeting that has been used for redlining and hate promotion campaigns against protected classes.
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And here I thought mainstream media and Republicans would never find common ground.
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Re: Facebook changes elections as an active participant
To combat disinfo campaigns, they would have to block all political supporters and advertising.
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Difference between Facebook and online medias such as FOX news or CNN include the following:
(1) Facebook can publish any items with impunity, which if published by FOX or CNN leave them liable to lawsuits. For example, FOX is being sued for sullying the reputation of certain voting machine companies - while Facebook published the same news without any risk, thanks to section 230.
(2) Facebook uses user information to selectively show certain news to certain folks based on what is likely to get them hooked. Unlike CNN and FOX who have their own characteristic agendas which they push thought gut level stimuli, Facebook puts gut level stimuli first, and prefers to have as many parties as possible engaging in verbal warfare on their site.
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If you are going to point out differences between Facebook (and every other interactive internet service) compared to traditional media, why are you avoiding to mention the biggest difference that actually disproves your first point? Traditional media decides beforehand what to publish whereas on social media there is no central decision making on who can post what ahead of time, it's all done after the fact. And this is true for almost any interactive service on the internet.
Your second point is kind of stupid, every type of organization try to cater to their users preferences for the simple reason it earns them more money, if they didn't users would go somewhere else. Also, a majority of the
"gut level stimuli" that appears on Facebook (or social media in general) are by users posting stuff that originated from traditional media - just look to the nearest traditional news outfit that have talking heads presenting "entertainment" as "news" to the simpletons. Facebooks only agenda is to make money and staying relevant, all the while trying not to piss off too many people.
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Regarding #1 no, they most certainly cannot. If Facebook published something someone at the company posted then Facebook could be sued for that. What they cannot be sued for is what someone else says, just like you don't get to sue Walmart because some jackass is slinging racial slurs inside one of their stores or Fox if someone used a comment section they ran to post some defamatory content.
If you're going to try to attack social media platforms maybe don't go with the equivalent of 'It's not fair that people can't sue car manufacturers for hit-and-runs'.
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With Fox, and CNN etc, a few people, up to a dozen, can and do decide what will be published, prior to publication, and for live interviews can have one person whose purpose is to monitor an if necessary cut the feed, with a 2 or so second delay between what they see and hear and it going on air.
With social media, millions of people publish, without prior approval by am editor, and it would take hundreds of thousands of people to control what is published to the same level as a newspaper.
Also, with a news organization, its employees write the stories, 2hich is the basis for the organization being held liable for what it publishes. With social media, individuals write their posts, and as they are not employees of the social media companies, there is no basis for holding them responsible for what is published.
Trying to equate the two either shows a total lack of understanding f the differences, or a desire to destroy the use of the Internet as a means of allowing people to publish without the approval of a few gate keepers.
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I’m fine with them blocking all ads from politicians and Super PACs and such.
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The greatest trick I ever pulled was making you blame anything but me.
Mind you I am not the corrupting force people like to pretend I am, they just love having a scapegoat to blame for their shitty decisions and actions to they can pretend they NEVER would have done this if not for me influencing them to do it.
While everyone is roasting FB for doing all the bad, would someone like to count the number of lies coming out of Congress since the start of Covid?
How about those pretending Jan 6th wasn't a coup attempt?
How about those still pretending the vaccine is dangerous?
Whats FB's bodycount vs Congress?
Its so nice that you have labeled a single thing as the cause of all the bad, its comforting to the immortal to see humans repeating their history of never accepting any responsibility for their complete failures instead thinking if not for this other thing humans would have done better... you wouldn't have, you would have invested more in finding a scapegoat before actually attempting to fix the thing.
I mean really... why are their any lead service lines left in the nation?
How many more catastrophes are required before actually putting money in place to replace these lines that will pay misery forward for decades the longer they are left in place?
Why is there any possible debate that its not the right thing to do ASAP?
But yes dear little humans, its FB that causes all of the bad in the universe & you simple creatures can not be held responsible for refusing a vaccine & infecting other people who died because of your rights.
I might have the big chair in hell kids, but I'm no where near as cruel as humans are to each other.
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Nice try, John Smith.
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Re: Facebook changes elections as an active participant
Am I the only one who notices how incredibly sinister and worrisome the language calling speech which may influence elections a crime is? Whether it is companies or "foreign interference". That could easily be applied to "impudently pointing out government misconduct or lies".
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"Difference between Facebook and online medias such as FOX news or CNN include the following: <proceeds to present false analogies>"
Fixed That For You.
A publisher is the origin of what they publish. If a publisher slanders someone, the publisher is culpable.
A social platform only provides infrastructure.
You metaphorically blaming the city road grid for people speeding, and the mall owner for the pickpocket working the crowd in it.
"Facebook puts gut level stimuli first, and prefers to have as many parties as possible engaging in verbal warfare on their site."
Yet no more so than a bar advertising slam poet night, punk theme endorsements or any other featured events.
"Facebook published the same news without any risk, thanks to section 230."
No, someone posted that same news on facebook, which means that or those someones are the people legally accountable for the slander. Facebook is simply free to choose to moderate those people or not but like the bar owner they are not liable for what their patrons say to other patrons.
Take a hint; before you decide to post your argument, at least don't present outright and obvious lies as the backing for it. You assuming everyone else is a moron just makes you the demonstrable idiot.
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"...why are you avoiding to mention the biggest difference that actually disproves your first point?"
Because old Baghdad Bob first has to lie in order to make his point. Facebook is no more a publisher than a bar owner is.
Yet our dear shill up there posting in bad faith probably knows this and therefore has to first try to make people swallow the obvious lie that Social media are publishers.
And the only people who use that arguments are the utter morons drinking the alt-right kool-aid or alt-right shills. Whether he's the one or the other Popehat's rule of goats applies.
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Not just Facebook...
...but all social media makes life on Earth worse. Facebook is one of the larger problems, but all of it, Instagram, Twitter, etc. are an insidious and metastasizing cancer on all of humanity. The very few positive aspects are far outweighed by the negatives (like saying a cancerous tumor helps you lose weight, so it isn't all bad).
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Re: Not just Facebook...
People who hate on people who have different beliefs and lifestyles are what make society worse, and you appear to be one of those. there is a lot of good on social media,but if you seek out the hate you will never see it, and your view of it is distorted.
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Very facebook of cnn.
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Facebook is just a really large room of people ultimately
People. The problem you're actually pointing to is people, not social media.
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Re: Facebook is just a really large room of people ultimately
serenely smiles
I like this mortal... he's figured out what I've known for eons.
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Re: Re: Facebook changes elections as an active participant
"Am I the only one who notices how incredibly sinister and worrisome the language calling speech which may influence elections a crime is?"
Nope. But that's the level of discourse in the US right now. Fascism is on the right from what used to be the right-wing and the saner majority are increasingly reacting with desperation.
The time to fix this was, I believe, 50 years ago. Today we're all just waiting for the alt-right to walk into the Capitol and start ignoring actual election results - at which point the liberals either answer with force or do as they did in Germany 1932; quietly cave, unwilling to meet naked aggression with any form of effective defense.
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Again, you're simply pointing out one positive benefit that the cancer has provided. The cancer is still going to kill the patient, eventually, but at least he won't be obese, right?
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Re: Facebook is just a really large room of people ultimately
Social media amplifies the people, millions upon millions of times in some cases. This is the problem. Yes, there have always been assholes, but they didn't have audiences of millions of people all over the world at their disposal.
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But as gab etc. keeps on demonstrating, they move that audience to their own platforms, so how many people follow them when it is easy to do so that they can laugh at them? Following on social media does not necessarily mean agrees with.
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