Court Tells Cops Who Got A Man Wrongly Imprisoned For 25 Years That Of Course Framing People For Crimes Is A Rights Violation
from the just-wrecking-up-people's-lives-and-walking-away-from-it dept
There's a constitutional right not to be framed by cops for a crime you didn't commit. This shouldn't even need to be argued in court once, much less twice. But "framed by cops" is exactly what happened to James Dennis, who spent 25 years in prison after being falsely accused of murdering a high school student back in 1991.
After having his wrongful conviction vacated in 2013 (and this decision affirmed by the Third Circuit Appeals Court in 2016), Dennis sued the cops that took 25 years of his life away by hiding exculpatory evidence and creating a narrative that put him behind bars.
Back to the Third Circuit goes Dennis again, with the Appeals Court handling an attempt by two detectives to escape Dennis' lawsuit [PDF]. The district court stripped immunity from the detectives who built the case against Dennis. The detectives appealed but they're not going to be able to walk away from this one.
The allegations are severe. According to Dennis, detectives Frank Jastrzembski and Manuel Santiago hid evidence that would have cleared Dennis and worked together to railroad him into a murder conviction. Buckle up, there's a lot to take in here.
First, Dennis alleges that the detectives concealed information about other individuals, who had confessed their involvement with the murder or who knew who was involved, and that the detectives coerced/concealed certain other witnesses. Specifically, Dennis alleges that the detectives never followed up on inconsistencies in statements made by Zahra Howard, who was with Williams on the day of her murder. Ms. Howard originally told the detectives that she never saw the assailants but later told her aunt and uncle that she recognized the assailants from Olney High School, a school that Dennis had never attended. Howard’s aunt and uncle informed the detectives about her statement; it was also corroborated by the victim’s aunt. This information, which was recorded in the detectives’ activity logs, was concealed from Dennis for ten years.
In addition, Dennis alleges that several days after the murder, Montgomery County law enforcement advised the Philadelphia Police Department that an inmate in their County Prison spoke with a man who confessed his involvement in Williams’s murder. A signed statement from the inmate included details about all three men involved in the murder and identified the source of the information. However, defense trial counsel never received any materials relating to the investigation of these three individuals; the information was only revealed 10 years later during Post Conviction Relief Act (PCRA) discovery.
Second, Dennis alleges that the detectives fabricated evidence to secure his conviction. Specifically, Dennis alleges that the detectives falsely claimed to have found certain clothing items that matched those of the shooter, as described by eyewitnesses to the murder. He further alleges that Detective Jastrzembski falsely testified that the clothing was found at Dennis’s residence but later “disappeared” from police headquarters prior to trial...
Third, Dennis alleges that the detectives concealed evidence that would have supported his alibi. Specifically, Dennis’s alibi that he was elsewhere at the time of the murder would have been corroborated by a witness’s time-stamped welfare receipt. When questioned by the detectives, the witness based her time estimates on the receipt’s military-style timestamp of 13:03 (1:03 PM), which she mistook to mean 3:03 PM. The detectives did not correct the witness when she misread the receipt’s military-style timestamp while they were interviewing her; instead, they took the only copy of the receipt and never shared it with Dennis or the prosecutors…
Dennis also alleges that only four of the nine eyewitnesses identified by Philadelphia Police had selected him from the lineup; three of those four testified for the Commonwealth at Dennis’s trial. After learning this information, Dennis’s counsel requested a new lineup with all nine eyewitnesses. The new lineup never occurred.
The detectives argued that even if they were in the wrong, they were not unreasonably wrong and could not have possibly known from court precedent that hiding information from accused criminals and framing them for a murder was a violation of his rights.
Wrong, says the Third Circuit. It's not even a close call. There's plenty of precedent and it dates back decades -- long before the detectives' actions in 1992.
[C]iting McDonough v. Smith, the detectives contend that a fabrication of evidence claim has been recognized under the Fourteenth Amendment only where the government officer involved in fabricating evidence was a prosecuting attorney. Not so. In Halsey v. Pfeiffer, we concluded that it was axiomatic that “those charged with upholding the law are prohibited from deliberately fabricating evidence and framing individuals for crimes they did not commit.” Halsey involved an evidence fabrication claim under the Fourteenth Amendment brought against police officers. We emphasized that the Supreme Court decades ago had established that the Constitution forbids those tasked with upholding the law from knowingly using falsified evidence to secure a criminal conviction.
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[A] case that is directly on point is not required so long as the precedent placed the constitutional question beyond debate. Halsey did so, recognizing prior precedent that held the fabrication of evidence by law enforcement officers violates the Fourteenth Amendment and that such a right had been established since at least 1985.
The next argument by the detectives was also off by several decades.
[T]urning to Dennis’s deliberate deception claim, the detectives contend that this claim is based on the right not to be framed by law enforcement agents, which is too broadly worded and was not established until 1995, when the Supreme Court decided Kyles v. Whitley.
The right not to be convicted on perjured testimony used by prosecutors at trial has been clearly established by the Supreme Court since at least 1935 in Mooney v. Holohan. Seven years later, in Pyle v. Kansas, 317 U.S. 213, 216 (1942), the Court extended this right by recognizing as a due process violation the conviction of a defendant through perjured testimony and the deliberate suppression of evidence favorable to the accused.
Even if this precedent did not exist, the court says the due process violations are so blindingly obvious that there's no plausible excuse for the detectives' actions.
We conclude that the constitutional rule that framing criminal defendants through use of fabricated evidence, including false or perjured testimony, violates their constitutional rights applies with such obvious clarity that it is unreasonable for us to conclude anything other than that the detectives were on sufficient notice that their fabrication of evidence violated clearly established law.
That's what qualified immunity has done to the judicial system. The Supreme Court's alteration of the contours of the doctrine it created has made it more difficult for lower courts to address the rights violations, shifting focus to judicial precedent instead. Fortunately, there's plenty of it here. But more than that, it's good to see a court tell officers attempting to raise their qualified immunity shields that the stuff they did was so obviously wrong they'd still be denied immunity even if there wasn't any precedent to rely on. That needs to happen more often.
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Filed Under: 3rd circuit, due process, framing people, frank jastrzembski, james dennis, lying cops, manuel santiago, police, qualified immunity, wrongful conviction
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An argument that should never have even been thought of
While it's good that the court got one of the most blindingly obvious questions right it's all sorts of disturbing and indicative of how bad the system is that the argument was even raised in the first place.
'It hasn't been specifically made clear that framing someone for a crime they didn't commit and costing them twenty-five years of their life' should have been seen as such an insanely bad argument that it never even occurred to them, that it did and they tried it shows just how horrible QI is and how it's become the go-to to defend cops for the most heinous of actions.
Hopefully the scum that framed the guy end up in a cell themselves for a few decades, really let them see what they so callously inflicted on another and send the message that such behavior is not in any way acceptable.
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"Even if this precedent did not exist, the court says the due process violations are so blindingly obvious that there's no plausible excuse for the detectives' actions. "
And yet, we've seen many of them get away with this and worse because no one ever fully explained murdering someone in cold blood for contempt of cop is wrong.
Justice is blind, deaf, & dumb.
How many more railroaded citizens before we consider perhaps that sometimes the "good guys" are cheating?
How many more times can a court not hear how outrageous a cops actions were & still find QI?
How many rights violations can be accepted before we call the whole damn thing dumb & demand it change?
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This is great and all..
But the depressing reality that this more often than not is the exception rather the rule takes all the wind out of it.
We as a society have deemed these people worthy of having the power to deprive people of their rights and/or life yet at the same time we coddle them by making it so they couldn't POSSIBLY KNOW what they were doing was wrong.
Being a cop carries with it alot of power and a heavy responsibility. We should be holding them to a HIGHER standard not a lower one.
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Not enough
When our society hold those in power to account the same as the rest, we will have a just society. Until then, we have this.
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Re: An argument that should never have even been thought of
Good luck with that.
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Re: Not enough
What we have is the courts saying that Officer Robbie over here who CLEARLY AND KNOWINGLY acted in an illegal manner was a pure innocent soul who couldn't do anything wrong and even if he did they didn't MEAN it. It was all done in good faith!
The police are supposed to protect you from the bad guys but whose gonna protect you from the police?
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Re: Re: Not enough
Thankfully that's not actually the case(for once), it's the lawyers of the officers who are making that argument while the court is saying flat out that that argument isn't even remotely valid and QI is not going to cover what they did.
Given how often judges bend over backwards to cover for corrupt cops I can all too easily see why you might have misread it and thought otherwise though.
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Re: Re: An argument that should never have even been thought of
Great. Now I'm talking through my tin-foil hat...
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Oh my bad, it was more lamenting that stuff like this is more the exception rather than the rule.
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"We swear we didn't really mean to put him away for 25 years, honest! We had good faith! You can't blame us for that!" This is why judging people based on their intentions is horseshit, especially when it paves the road to hell.
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This is why you don’t ignore jury duty. Vote not guilty every time until these retards learn not to fuck with us
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This shows emphatically
Why you don't talk to Detectives without a warrant a/or subpoena and do not trust the Police. This was ridiculous
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Lost time
The thing that strikes me the most is that nothing will give back the 25 years he spent in prison because of police corruption. The absolutely least justice can do is to make the cops serve 25 years plus whatever are the penalties for these violations. At the very least an year for an year. Unfortunately I don't see this happening. But I do hope things change in the future.
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That unfortunately is a lamentation shared by many as even if the courts got it right for once a ruling like this really should not be any more noteworthy than 'sun comes up again this morning' would be and for the same reason.
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I never considered that you needed to establish that perjury wasn’t a valid thing. I thought it would be obvious.
My imagination needs more work.
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Never forget that these cops intentionally let the actual murderers remain free.
And why? These stories never explain the cops' motivations. What's their angle? What benefit did they derive?
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That's what I was wondering too. It sounds like they had plenty of evidence to go after the right person, so why did they railroad this innocent man? Do they just find it fun to be cruel? Did they have some beef with him?
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He probably had less money than the perpetrator and thus could not mount an effective defense. Which means he has to cut a plea deal, saving everybody involved a lot of hassle and uncertainty.
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He didn't take a plea deal, he was convicted at trial.
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...the detectives were on sufficient notice that their fabrication of evidence violated clearly established law.
If the detectives really thought this, then should their intelligence be questioned going forward? Because if that's not admitting to being a fucking moron, then what the fuck is?
Police should change their slogan from "to protect and serve' to 'yes, we are that fucking stupid.'
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Re: An argument that should never have even been thought of
Let's throw on top of that the notion that strategically arguing that, "it's cool because there was no clearly established precedent that framing someone is illegal, and a rights violation," is an admission to such.
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I've said it before: Cops don't look at evidence to figure out who the guilty party is. They pick who they want to be guilty and then spend all their time and energy building a case against that person.
Maybe courts need to start granting qualified immunity to average people who argue that they didn't know they were committing a crime.
Defendant: "How was I supposed to know that driving my car onto the police station's lawn and doing donuts to tear up the grass, was a crime? The law doesn't say anything about donuts on an agency's lawn."
Judge: You're right, so you get qualified immunity. Case dismissed.
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I am watching a case in Mississippi right now, where the Union County sheriffs department and their “community policing” assets are framing a guy, Richard Moore, the cousin of the civil rights eras most famous photographer, Charles Lee Moore.
The cops/ neighbors/ Alpine volunteer firefighters harass him with driveby shootings, drive pickup trucks over his lawn, send police informants who kick in his doors- and he films all of it. It’s horrific to watch.
The sheriff does absolutely nothing to stop it, because they are doing it-and they all have Celtic crosses in their offices, wear them on their clothes- it’s MS Atty Genl Lynn Fitchs state, and the modern KKK in action.
Then, when he posts his videos, he gets stalked and arrested, in his words “more times than I can count,” and charges get tossed- but you can’t beat the ride as they say.
The case is federal court, Moore v Union County Sheriff, et al in Northern Mississippi.
He has a GoFundMe up, and it’s short https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-richard-moore-defeat-gangstalking?utm_campaign=p_na+share-sheet& utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer
I hesitated to support the guy for many reasons ( he loves The Jesus a bit too much, he has a southern drawl,etc.), but watching his videos, researching his case facts- I am convinced it’s a true frame job at all levels, true to KKK form.
Go over and support the guy- he did his time, and even then was likely innocent.
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You would think if he had videos of the police harassing him, kicking down his door, and shooting at his house he would put those on his gofundme page instead of just talking at the camera.
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Well, your right. I make no excuses for the guy- like most people in his situation, he only became “internet literate” BECAUSE of the horror he is living through, and before that, he was just a quiet citizen.
I agree, he is windy, and hard to listen to, even offensive at times. Again- this group of folks aren’t always good looking, often barely semi-literate.
Which is WHY I got involved.
Cops all over the USA are getting away with those, one semi-literate or under educated person at a time!
We can only imagine what Ahmaud Arbery, or Emmet Till would have sounded like on YouTube, right? But the GFM was set up on his behalf by another concerned citizen, Jacob Cimoric. The other stuff is at his YouTube channel.
But thanks on his behalf for looking in on his case.
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The Whitey Bulger case is instructional on this point: there are so many informants of various kinds, that the feds often step in behind the scenes, and let these things happen so that they can work there way up or into various “food chains” in criminal syndicates, real, or imagined.
The FBI virtually created the Witness Protection Program for Joey “the Animal” Barboza, and while he was in the program, he murdered several others. But also, many other murders went on as the FBI watched, and local cops hands were tied.
Barboza was born in New Bedford too, the town that is the setting of the Jimmy Stewart movie It’s aWonderful Life, lol. So, there’s that mob v mob aspect too— each mafia has their own cops, competing to frame the other guys rats, and so on ( George Floyd v Derek Chauvin for example)
So, that’s the best answer there, aside from other cop equivalencies, like “ well he’s a bad guy anyways,” etc.
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Just to be clear, I am not a supporter, and I think it is more likely his case is one of mental illness than targeted harassment.
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I could give two shits if your a supporter or not. So go choke down your meds and remember that it's assholes like you that keep assholes like me motivated. No o e cares about a no name coward hiding behind a keyboard no more than they do about the pathetic excuses of humanity that live to dismiss are marginalize victims of law enforcement genocide. My contact credentials are public now she's yours, chances are you never will. When you find a backbone maybe I will know who is talking shit about me and I'll be more than happy to put you in the hot seat. Oh, is this hard to sit through.? I'll do everything available to make it hard for you to stay hidden that's for sure. Taking jabs at me! Bring it please, What I do and what I stand for is no joke. Its people like me that keep lame ass cowards like you free. Don't forget that. It's people like me that will auctually do something about people's lives being systematically destroyed by those placed in positions of trust. It's cowards like yourself that has some closer queer agenda and will protect it at all cost. Up your real name and location and let's see who is mentally ill.
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Mr. Moore, that’s no way to win support.
Everyone has their own opinion, and I don’t see malicious intent here, just an underinformed comment, though I understand why you would interpret that comment the way you did.
The guy was simply stating an opinion, calm down. Maybe mention how this law enforcement harassment causes PTSD?
Or, have you like many of these victims also had law enforcement try to say that you legally prescribed medications are contraband?
That’s very common in these scenarios.
Because PTSD is a major common feature of those who have been brutalized by cops.
Remember, they tried to say that Ahmaud Arbery was “mentally ill,” before, during, and after they stalked and murdered him. His murderers lawyer tried to bring such mental health claims front and center in the trial, and the judge wasn’t having it.
So, like I said, the internet I’d forever- you do not know this commenter, and really, calling him/her a closet queer is out of bounds- the exact reason people might call you mentally ill!
Are you aware of how many MILLIONS of gay people suffered the EXACT kind of stalking that you are experiencing? Countless!
So please show respect for that, ok?
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If you want to convince anyone you're a rational person with a firm grip on reality... that is not the way to go about it. But you are right about one thing. There is no way I would ever give my real contact details to you.
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"OK, then, well I didn't mean to seem so sensitive, and I apologize if I came off hostile or angry--because I am indeed both to people who use the "psychiatric meta-narrative" to dismiss my complaints(and the complaints of hundreds of thousands of others) about the police state.
Its OK if you disagree, and indeed, I have PTSD because of this police bullshit in a KKK controlled county, but people like you ( I am supposing) cannot possibly imagine what this nightmare is like, and you specifically cannot imagine how many times "police and fedposters" say exactly what you say.
It's really annoying.
Regardless--you are correct: not posting in your real name is a luxury I cannot afford. I never had that "privilege."
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"it is more likely his case is one of mental illness than targeted harassment."
Sounds like ROGS in a nutshell.
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Your not dead yet? I need a better witch doctor….
(Calling your mother now)
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Idiot!
That ACs mother is not a witch or a doctor—she’s a jock itch blocker.
Just one look at her and your Johnson falls off.
I mean…that’s what I heard, anyways….
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Look! The Tampa Bay Times won its 13th Pulitzer, for the series “Targeted”!
It’s a story about how dirtbags in policing utilize the racist, junk science of “intelligence led predictive policing” programs that “target individuals” mercilessly, until they—and I quote— until they “move away or sue.”
Here’s more about that from the Institute for Justice website:
https://ij.org/case/pasco-predictive-policing/
Without people out here raising awareness about these horrific programs, the ACs and asshats win every time.
I seem to recall that crazy ROGS guy mentioning how gang stalkers use the number 13 a lot….
Fight the good fight Mr. Moore, and good luck with your three federal lawsuits there in the shithole KKK state of Mississippi, where, not in coincidentally, dirtbag attorney general Lynn Fitch is attempting to strike down Roe v. Wade.
That should give you an idea about what kind of dirtbags hate discussing gang stalking out loud.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:have faith, Richard Moore
So the Pascoe County program (which is reprehensible) is a system of openly and regularly harassing particular people, by the sheriff's department:
That is a program of systematic harassment, but it doesn't really fit into the phenomenon of gang stalking very well.
By contrast, people who promote the idea of gang stalking say that it is not just the police but all kinds of government agents doing the harassing - fire department, municipal workers, all kinds of things. And they say it isn't just explicit law enforcement related activities, but seemingly random people saying ominous things to the victims as they pass them by in public. Many also claim the use of mind control weapons. Self-described targeted individuals often display symptoms of mental illness such as hallucinations.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psych-unseen/202010/gang-stalking-real-life- harassment-or-textbook-paranoia
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It's much the same mindset as believing triggering the automatic spam filter by spamming is actually a big conspiracy against only them by the site owner.
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Uh…it’s PASCO County Fl
Um….citing Joe Pierre M.D. and that pop culture rag is weak sauce. McPsychology never helped anyone.
https://www.semel.ucla.edu/profile/joseph-pierre-md
The guy is on the government payroll, works for the Veterans Administration, one of the most inept medical centers on earth, and is a recipient of government funding to debunk “conspiracy theories.”
Do you also consult the state prosecutor when defending victims of regular police brutality complaints?
Your position is absurdist theater. And, Re: “doesn't really fit into the phenomenon of gang stalking very well”
Again, your one source is a shill, by trade., and you do in fact concede half of the argument by noting the Pasco cases are indeed “targeted individuals.”
Anything else?
Quoting pop psychology is about as useful as using a faith healer to solve real world problems- legitimate researchers and journalists are already making connections based on the evidence presented by the Tampa Bay Times piece, and the eBay gang stalkers case, Ahmaud Arbery’s murder, and so many more of these cases.
Meanwhile, back in reality, there is ample evidence that far-right church groups use gang stalking, and that Scientologists gang stalk, and that “community policing” groups also do exactly what you describe.
And yes, the PASCO County program is just the tip of the iceberg-most victims do not know the extent of these programs they until they fight back, wherein they get the full treatment as police mobilize “community assets” against them, as Mr. Moore is getting now. His evidence is undeniable, and even scary.
Lastly, crackpot organizations like Targeted Justice, and the many other groups and individuals online who yammer on about mind control, aliens and electronic weapons are all connected to far right churches, are run by current and former military and intel agents, and they are in fact, actual stalkers.
Targeted Justice, Midge Mathis, Karen Stewart, Richard Lighthouse, et al are a huge disinformation outfit, well financed crackpots who pollute the internet about this topic, so that neocon religious asshats like Pasco Sheriff Chris Nocco can continue to victimize “targeted individuals,” in his county.
Their Texas based disinformation group was roasted in the Fort Worth Weekly by journalist Teri Webster. They refused to answer any of her questions, and later, showed up in the comments section puking disinformation.
And so, your opinion is consistently like a Mockingbird, or a Canadian Mental Health board member, like Alana Broadaxe, who literally started the incel terrorist movement— all shill, no facts.
So back to the case of Richard Moore, he has clear evidence of cars boxing him in on the highways, and people shooting guns off at his house, strangers wheeling pickup trucks through his yard, and countless false arrests, and people “talking about him” too. On film.
All of that would indeed sound “delusional” in the pre-internet era, except that he films it all. And much of that footage on Ring camera nonetheless. The people who do this stuff are having a hard time defeating cameras, so much so that first amendment auditors all around the country are collectively bringing this to light.
In Moores case, the sheriffs department does constant drive-boys in front of his house, as does the fire department. Complete strangers stop and squeal their tires in front of his house, and leave strange litter behind. Strangers leave badly drawn, insulting rape threat posters in his driveway- the cops refuse to accept it as evidence of a crime, or lift fingerprints.
All of it caught on film.
So, yeah, there’s that.
But nice try with the pop psych- “the masses” soak that b.s. up as quick as the latest “news” about the Kardashians.
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Does that happen to you a lot?
Take yer Feds!
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Re: Uh…it’s PASCO County Fl
I notice you don't have any references at all for your claims. Why is that? And attacking the person making an argument rather than the argument itself is called an argumentam ad hominem fallacy. Probably works well on Facebook but I don't think many around here will fall for it.
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Tech dirt has also covered the insane Pasco County Fl cases extensively, and the victims themselves call it “gang stalking.”
https://www.techdirt.com/search-g.php?num=20&q=Pasco+sheriff&search=Search
Here is just one victims account, from TDS forums, calling it by its proper name:
identiconJordan, 9 Oct 2021 @ 3:13pm
Predictive Christian Extremist stalking and harassment program.
These people are the scum of the earth... They work in conjunction with local churches and criminal organizations.They have been responsible for many suicides and other crimes. They are the reason for the whole "gangstalking" movement. Yes a few of those people are nuts... but you would be to if they were doing to you what they did to me / us. Im not even a "resident" of florida and they are harassing me... I'm just here on vacation and got stuck here. My dad asked my aunt for help because I was having a hard time dealing with my brothers suicide. So she went to her church for help... and just so happens one of her pastors is a cop/trainer/whatever for the sherrifs dep. Seeing how I am an amature chemist... they decided to hand the case over to the police predictive policing program. They hacked my computers, took samples of my chemicals, etc... I dont smoke pot or drink. They are acting like im some kind of terrorist. there is obviously a lot more to this story... but long story short. My dad asked for help or advise and these people terrorized the shit out of me for like 3 months before i figured out what was going on. Mostly through the guilty behavior of my family. Also through my manipulation of certain situations. These people are EVIL and act like they are doing "gods work" it really disgusting. We really need to do something about this. There is no telling how many people they have psychologically scared for life. This is not just a florida program either... It's mainly a christian thing. There is even a lady on youtube who admits it!
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Techdirts mod has banned the R….O…G…..S….nym. I have screenshots.
Mind you, it wasn’t banned because It violated terms— it was banned because TD is a government astroturf and troll farm friendly platform, evidenced by these ACs, who even now gaslight this topic.
Look up there—the evidence is clear, and even the Department of Education has weighed in, the DoJ is investigating, etc. Other TD commenters who have been stalked and harassed in that exact location have commented, and told the same facts:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210314/13323746423/florida-sheriffs-office-sued-using-pre dictive-policing-program-to-harass-residents.shtml
One must wonder why Mike Masnicks staff, and in-house trolls heavily troll my comments, and deny evidence of gang stalking. Why does the mod ban my posts?
Yup, it’s much deeper than some shitbag ACs agenda, or a purported “spam filter”censoring and gaslighting this topic.
The problem is that TD is a partisan blog, and their sacred Dems are also engaged in gang stalking, every bit as much as the KKK andRepublicrats.
Yet citizens afflicted by these insane people still report similar events across the partisan divide— actual targets are largely NOT partisan.
Maybe fix THAT problem, TD.
First they came for GORS, and I said nothing….
www.gangstalkingresearch.wordpress.com
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Re: Re: Uh…it’s PASCO County Fl
Richard Moore is just ONE of my references. His video evidence is court room worthy, though he might lack some standing, depending upon how he litigates that case.
But below, I have added more “citations” from anecdote. These cases are made via the layman’s testimony, not the “authorities,” who, in your case are merely government / medical mafia shills and sheriffs like Chris Nocco, and his lord and savior, in “high places,” end quote.
And- people like you sure do enjoy the word “ fallacy, something something.” Like “phallus,” for example.
Now, that said, your own failed phallacious“argument from authority” is backfiring on you now, isn’t it? Perhaps Moore was correct in his assessment of your initial intent.
Yet the evidence is legion, but you are not worth the time for me to link to it. We did that once, and now we do other things.
I write for victims, not perpetrators, like yourself,
Any comment on your government shill, Joe Pierre? Lol— Agent Orange deaths, UFO’s, Tuskegee Experiments, Guantanamo torture facility—your government shills are batting less than reputable in every game.
No more citations for you and TDsin- house troll farms. My evidence is there in the Pasco lawsuits. And, a few others around the country right now, including Richard Moore in Mississippi.
Got any reply to that?
Riiiight. I didn’t think so.
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What video evidence exactly? I've seen video of him talking, nothing more. You say he has all these videos of people harassing him, so where are they?
Those aren't citations, those are you claiming things without any evidence to back them up.
I use the word when it fits.
I never made an argument from authority. I linked to an article with some interesting comments on the subject. If I had said "this person is a psychiatrist and is therefore correct", that would have been an argument from authority.
Oh I see. It's worth the time to write a novella about the subject, but not to copy and paste a few links. Makes perfect sense in some universe probably.
So now I'm one of the perpetrators of gang stalking too, and not just a skeptic?
I know nothing about Joe Pierre. So no.
I did not find anywhere with the text of the lawsuit for free. If you have it feel free to post, unless that is also not worth the time.
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Yeah, this could go on forever. I have told you before, these “novellas” are for reference of other readers, and posterity.
Re: “ I never made an argument from authority”
You did indeed make an argument from authority, as defined as “a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument.”
You cited and linked to a government sponsored propagandist,VA doctor Joe Pierre, M.D.(not a PsyD, BTW), and furthered the agenda of that propagandists goals-by definition, arguing from authority.
Keeping in mind that all government opinions are propaganda and influence operations by definition too. Not worth citing, unless your argument is simply to validate propaganda. In fact, I can reassure you that ALL OPINIONS and published material on this topic is from the “authorities” and all are government financed, pro-police, and pro-prosecution.
But why waste time proving that?
This is no stakes Bingo here, as you and I have had this conversation before, several times before this in the past. As such, there is a form of internet mobbing that you have participated in, and yes, this type of “scepticism” is also less than genuine, and is also used by fedposters, CIA trolls, JTRIG,et al, as they subvert messages online.
For other readers, now and in the future, here is the free text of the Dalanea Taylor et Al v. Nocco et al gang stalking lawsuit from Clearinghouse:
https://www.clearinghouse.net/chDocs/public/PN-FL-0009-0001.pdf
From that suit:
“PCSO deputies repeatedly make unannounced visits to the homes of Targeted Persons—who are often minors—during which deputies demand entry to the home or information about a Targeted Person’s comings and goings. While there, PCSO deputies also gather additional information about a Targeted Person’s familial and social networks so that PCSO deputies can identify, catalog, track, and visit…”
Note what’s important here- that merely validating the term “targeted person” is a victory for targeted individuals, because the semantics have entered the official record. But the bigger victory is that the claims made by targets are also validated, outside of the police jargon and disinformation.
These victims are indeed, stalked “24-7” and harassed with electronics of all kinds: ALPRs, monitoring via “electronic media” and “trafficked” between police agencies, etc.
Again, the biggest battle is over, as these cases are now coming in to courtrooms.
As for Moore’s videos- it’s all there if you look. But I can’t do that for you, save for one piece of advice: just watch the first two rows on hisYoutube feed ( look for the ones from his front door Ring cam) and you will see plenty of what is claimed- and mind you, it is police informants kicking in his doors, while the actual police sit around the corner at the volunteer fire department, or gas light him when he makes a report.
And yes— he is windy as f@ck, hard to get through, and lengthy. I wish he would get to the damned point too- but again, targets are not smooth operators, super models, or PhDs, they are ordinary people, forced into using media for mere survival.
But it doesn’t invalidate his complaints.
Lastly, the dirty state patrol cop Adam Zachary took his SD card during his last false arrest, which they do frequently— they steal, and destroy his evidence, and it’s appalling.
It was that case where he had endured a morning of unbelievable stalking, and when he went to attempt to have the sheriff document the evidence, he was arrested. That’s how bizarre these cases are.
So, enjoy the Dalanea Taylor rabbit hole- instead. It’s 55 easy to skim pages long, and free, unlike Moore’s story, or tens of thousands of others like it around the country right now.
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That comment took a crap.
What I meant to say was “if human rights and civil rights mean nothing, then why not go full Saudi Arabia, any kill or hate Jews,non-orthodox, non- theists, and others, while negotiating with Christian zealots, who, for now, control media?”
Yeah…I can go on record with that comment.
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i've spent some time in the "video evidence" department. He's literally got nothing besides he doesn't like cars on roads, and some cops knocked on his door once and left. There is hours of nothing, and him making claims. If he has people breaking down his doors, or problems with neighbors, you never actually see anything. But yes, it does go into microwave attacks and all that.
He was refused entry at a Maricopa County (?) building over his service dog - and in that case he was totally correct. He even had the papers for it, but they wanted to verbally engage instead of looking at papers, which is weird, but cops, right? Also, as far as i know, they can't ask for papers, either, so he doesn't even have a reason to be showing those. Federal law.
Could be he has real issues with being targeted by cops for harrassment, but you'd never know it.
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That's about what I expected. If there were really video evidence of everything claimed it should have been easy to link to it, yet... nothing.
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Right, you won’t get any argument from me there- he presents his case in scattered fashion, as many of these guys tend to do. It’s almost cryptic.
This video has most of what I describe-https://www.youtube.com/c/UnitedStatesAntiGangStalkingAssociation/community
Death threats, police associates stalking back and forth, pickup trucks careening through his yard (watch from the 28:40 mark).
Then, a video entitled “Live criminal complaint Courtland Tanner” shows a snippet of the video with the informant hopping around in his house.
The gunfire in front of his house occurs in a video called “October 23,24th this footage is being turned over to law nforcement.” You can also see vehicular stalking in that video.
But the actual video evidence of a police informant kicking in his door, the false arrests, etc., are with held for the reason that he has three federal lawsuits pending.
Like most court cases, he doesn’t want to taint the record. I have seen only the video of the creepy informant kicking in the door, not the false arrests.
The Maricopa incident is just one more example out of many acts of discrimination he has endured- he had an ally at the time to film it.
As to the cars, you have to watch all the videos, it’s there. You might have skimmed a vague one, but it’s great that you even did that! Again, these cases are being waged by laypersons, and are very difficult to weed through.
But he does in fact document clear patterns of conduct.
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Ana’s has, you consistently fall into the category of disingenuous people who demand links, and then fail to engage with evidence.
I did provide the links, and rational people engage with the material, but not you, specifically.
And no, these are not easy to link at all, because it takes time. Those of you with millennial era point and click attention spans want easy solutions, to difficult problems. And that, utilizing other peoples time.
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natch, I just looked up there where I posted a link to the free text version of the Pasco County lawsuit- and predictably, you failed to engage with the linked material.
You remind me of the fundie frat boys who sit in the back rows of evolution classes, always demanding proof that god isn’t real.
“Yeah, but what science can PROVE god doesn’t exist!?Huh, huh!?”
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Here is the video of the police informant having kicked in his door.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh5U5FdBylE
The police in that area have extended the prison hierarchy into “free” society.
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I have nothing but your word that that is a police informant, but certainly somebody broke into his house.
I already stated what I think about the Pasco County situation. You can go read my comment about that. I don't know what more "engagement" you are expecting.
I just watched the only video you have bothered to link, and commented on it. Previously you said to go watch some videos, but didn't link to any of them or even the channel, and there are many people on YouTube named Richard Moore. Now that you're actually pointing out some stuff I've watched some of it. I stopped when I saw the video of being stuck behind a slow driver presented as evidence that he is being stalked and harassed. That's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Normal interactions that we all have on a daily basis become part of the delusion. That's what this phenomenon is.
Not easy to link? Here's one that took me about 5 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgIV1bfnWMs
It's extremely easy to link.
I really don't care what I remind you of.
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Still no response? Predictable ere….
The evidence is irrefutable.The lbs are herein. What say you now?
And note that nassch/ And these others never, ever engages with “evidence.”Instead thet always hinge on “ more evidence! More links! Bu cannot even do basic homework, like simply clicking the links Zia have provided.
Yup. That’s odd, and disconcerting. The average reader will arrive at the conclusion that TDs comment forum is overrun by shills of various kinds, not actual first amendment warriors…
And hat is a bad look for the platform as a whole
Or, “ links, which it constantly asks for, but never responds to, or engages with.
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Honestly, you engage or you don’t.
You are te ind of person who asks rape victims about the length of theirs skirts.
Obviously not an ally, ok?
I linked everything necessary for any activist or compatriot, and you are neither.
Ok?
Nuff said, for you, who for some reason, always asks rape victims about masturbation.
Curious, that. People like you are ALWAYS the problem, never the solution.
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Also, I am quite excited that “you” whoever you are, or may or could have been, “doesn’t care what you remind me of.”
Rational readers will know, and they are who “counts”. They will read the links above-those same links that you asked for, but never responded to, or otherwise engaged with. Those links are still up there in the forum- and you still have not substantively engaged with any of them, FTR.
You?
Just another muff dive into a bad yeast situation.
Others are indeed “ watching” for posterity.
Because youfactitiuos disordered Nazis are always difficult, by design, positioning yourselves into places where you can, and do obstruct liberty.
Not my first rodeo, nasch.
Have you read the Pasco link yet?
Of course you didnt@!
What a jerk. A stupid, lazy jerk.
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And, re: your link
Moore has evidence of an electronic weapon, and that evidence has yet to be seen in court.
So, let’s look at a customer review of that weapon, for context, ok?
Fair disclosure: I do not yet know how he obtained that weapon.
Did he tear it out of some cowards hands? Did good cops bring his attention to how bad cops and their community policing asspackers position that device to harass him?
No, I don’t yet have that evidence,
.
But I do have the website link where you can buy one yourself, and test it on your damned self:
https://www.amazing1.com/products/phasor-pain-field-pistol-high-powered-1.html
But yeah: shitbag local police departments are loading this crap into communities to disguise illegal police tactics.
No surprise there- remember the Black Panther Coloring book?
Yup. A similar level of bizarre b.s.
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Honestly- I will personally pay for that gadget, and send it to your self/ family/ child, as long as one, or all of you shoot yourselves in the head with it, then tell others how much they “imagine” pain and suffering from that gadget, directed at them by asshats under the community policing schemes that are rife across America today.
Then maybe we can talk about your fluffy comfy diaper there, wherever it is where you sit, shitting out constant and uninformed options about “ how the other half lives.”
Take me up n it, I dare you.
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And note also that you still have not read the Dalanea Taylor v Bristol Nocco, Pasco Sheriffs Department link that YOU ASKED FOR.
Disingenuous much?
Any random reader following this thread will note that you skipped about four links- LINKS THAT YOU ASKED FOR and didn’t read.
Listen- it’s not rocket science, following facts. But engagements is, somehow, important, to laypersons.
But not you, for SOME REASON.
I won’t speculate on that reason, but ai have a few ideas…..
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I am content with the conclusions any random reader will reach upon reading this discussion thread. I don't feel anything more needs to be said, but feel free to keep going of course.
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Great. Me too
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I am guessing that you are more like this silly guy
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nasch
Nasch
It is when you mess with somebody to the point you make them want to shit out of their ears. They get so pissed they start eat their own ankles.
And much, much less than this guy Akshay Dipali, who FTR isn’t an asshole.
www.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fakshaydipali&usg=AOvVaw0tXK_77q6BmZGwlIkqnB8H
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