Re: Re: This is the more common problem for jazz musicians
MIKE :"You also have misread what is being discussed in the article. Coltrane very much has a copyright in *the original parts* of his version of the song. The reason the article says that the Copyright act does not grant him the right to exclude others from performing the rendition is due to the way copyright law is structured with compulsory rights. But there is a copyright on it and it is different than the copyright on the original version from the sound of Music. It's just that you can perform his version if you have paid for the rights. That is NOT the same thing as saying there is no copyright on his version that Coltrane holds and it is NOT the same thing as talking about jazz musicians being stifled from creating NEW songs -- not covers, and not new arrangements."
Me :
1] Go before SCOTUS as the "Solicitor General" of the USA.
I see a lot of people on Techdirt complaining about laws, but very little being done to change them. I'm trying to provide, when I can, as much info for you so that if you feel strong about this, you can do something.
SL "I see a lot of people on Techdirt complaining about laws, but very little being done to change them. I'm trying to provide, when I can, as much info for you so that if you feel strong about this, you can do something."
Me : exactyl 100 % . this has been the point of my posts for weeks.
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TO : Ms. Welch.
Go to law school -- if you can even do well on the LSATs ,,to get in , in the 1st place,
"Soon after that, he established the Jazz Composers Guild, a cooperative organization intended to create bargaining power with club owners and build greater media visibility. Mr. Dixon played hardball: he argued for a collective strike on playing in jazz clubs and hoped for the support of John Coltrane, the wave floating most boats of the “new thing.” The strike never happened, and the Guild fractured within a year. "
"In the late 1950s, he was raising a family and working during the day as a secretary at the United Nations. By 1959 he was booking the new music into West Village cafes, including the Phase 2 and Le Figaro. Thus began a long-running role as bootstrap activist and outspoken critic of nearly all the systems of jazz: how it is presented, taught, promoted, recorded and written about. "
"AAJ is a rare bird: a widespread publication 'saying like it is' not only from a broad based musicians' perspective, but also from sympathetic critics who are really trying to spread the word about the latest in jazz and improvised music. I'm really grateful that AAJ does not have the narrow minded 'box mentality' that seems to permeate so many other publications and the music industry in general."
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yes, I think I have found the answer
SL ::"Jambands play 10 minute songs all the time and run one song into another. It's totally common. The jam band movement is stronger than ever. It's very similar to improvisational jazz."
ANS : Very true. As a musician who come out of a "jam band" " battleground" :),,, i know this well.
And for those of you geeks who doubt me :
An indepentant link , not nine , on my music history::::
"Kenny [Gwyn] made many of his musical connections on Bleecker Street, which was hopping with all kinds of different music clubs, as was down town New York in general. Jazz musicians from the Blue Note or the Village Vanguard would show up at Kenny's shows and jam with him. Folk, bluegrass, and blues artist from Folk City would do the same thing, singer songwriters from the Bitter End or the Bottom Line would drop by, as would classic artist from the 60's and 70's who were playing the Lonestar or the Ritz. Countless musicians who came through New York would hit Bleecker Street, be blown away by Kenny, and want to Jam with him. Prince was one of them, so was Maryanne Faithful, Jorma Kaukonen, Paul Butterfield, Jaco Pastorious, and Rick Danko.
I want to focus on Kenny's time at a club called the Inner Circle, that revolved around his talent. He performed there 6 nights a week, I believe from late 1984 to early 1986. This club was on Jane Street and the Westside Highway, right on the Hudson River in a desolate part of town right below the meat packing district that was crawling with nothing but transvestite hookers.
The story as I got it is that "Rueven Adam Halperin," [ME !!!!} a fellow musician who played with Kenny at Mills Tavern and in the Park, was a resident of the Jane West Hotel. He pushed for the owners to open the vacant basement bar as a venue to showcase Kenny's talent, and Kenny played his heart out there 6 nights a week. This is the year of heavy metal and hair bands, Madonna rules the charts, rap is gaining momentum, NY has a thriving hard-core scene, MTV and NY rock stations are inundating our ears with Duran Duran, Hall and Oates, and Phil Collins. There was no good rock radio in NY and no such thing as a classic rock format at this time. WPLJ, WNEW, and WAPP played a few classics, then it was heavy metal, Journey, and some Huey Lewis and the News.
"Canada, China, Mexico, Russia and Spain have been named the “top- priority countries" with inadequate intellectual property enforcement by Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), who co- chair the Intl. Anti-Piracy Caucus, as well a
"Canada, China, Mexico, Russia and Spain have been named the “top- priority countries" with inadequate intellectual property enforcement by Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), who co- chair the Intl. Anti-Piracy Caucus, as well as Reps. Adam Schiff (D- Calif.) and Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.)."
Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), who co- chair the Intl. Anti-Piracy Caucus------- Sen. Hatch's motives ,, I do not question.,, he is 100% honest and has full integrity ,.....
ME :
BUT Sen. Hatch's motives ,, I do not question.,, he is 100% honest and has full integrity ,.....
gibberish,, most elected officials -- are honest -- intellectually and legally.
Believe me ,,i know politicians are flawed creatures by nature ,, and they are the first to admit it.
But most all politicians , are genuine , intellectually honest , and do mean well in advocating their belief's.
I disagree with Sen, Orin Hatch alot -- except copyright,, for sure ---- but I know Sen Hatch , is honest and his philosophy legit == and we both want a world full of love and peace,, we just disagree on the the best political polices that are needed to make the world a better place-- again , EXCEPT for "copyrights vs piracy" ,
By Sen. hatched motive ,, T do not question.,, he is 100% honest and had full integrity ,
"Canada, China, Mexico, Russia and Spain have been named the “top- priority countries" with inadequate intellectual property enforcement by Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), who co- chair the Intl. Anti-Piracy Caucus, as well as Reps. Adam Schiff (D- Calif.) and Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.)." http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=56579
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Re: This is the more common problem for jazz musicians
Brilliant , post ,, great writing.
Mike ,, you should pour lighter fluid on your keyboard an light on fire,, as homage and sacrifice of those who know and write better than you , on jazz , music , copyRIGHTs and art.
Re: Who will defend this strawman ?.... So I put it to you Mike, as you ask to see how to defend this situation, I'm saying there is no situation to defend, its a strawman. It's the creation of an issue where no issue exists.
YOU :So I put it to you Mike, as you ask to see how to defend this situation, I'm saying there is no situation to defend, its a strawman. It's the creation of an issue where no issue exists.
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Re: Re: This is the more common problem for jazz musicians
Me :
1] Go before SCOTUS as the "Solicitor General" of the USA.
2] Repeat this paragraph.
3] Watch SCOTUS laugh --- 9-0
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I see a lot of people on Techdirt complaining about laws, but very little being done to change them. I'm trying to provide, when I can, as much info for you so that if you feel strong about this, you can do something.
Me : exactyl 100 % . this has been the point of my posts for weeks.
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TO : Ms. Welch.
Go to law school -- if you can even do well on the LSATs ,,to get in , in the 1st place,
Graduate law school .
Then get back to me on Law and Copyright.
You words are ridiculous here -- 99%.
You too Mike.
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I am still amazed that any musician works with you when you seem to wish they all go out of business.
I am a musician, i would follow Suzanne to the "End-s of the Earth" on these issues.
BECAUSE Suzanne has my BEST Artistic interests in mind 100%.
You , Mike , and all other Pirates ,, want to rip me off,, and take something -- my ART -- for nothing.
See you in SCOTUS & Congress, You will loose Mike.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not really surprising.....Yes, that would be correct if most copyright proponents were basing their actions on logic. .
Base your thesis on you comment here.
Get back to me with your grade.
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they're just flat-out ignoring the law.
ANS :EXACTLY.
Law is the law. Ignore the law,, go to jail; pay a fine; or try to say the law is UN-constitutional, before SCOTUS
Some laws you stand a chance (drug laws , esp: Pot)
COPYRIGHT is on the Constitution.
It cannot be nullified by SCOTUS.
PIRACY is ILLEGAL .
As Suzanne is saying , if you do not like that , you will have to change the U.S. Constitution to remove COPYRIGHT.
Ain't GONNA Happen.
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Bill Dixon, 84, Leading Edge of Avant-Garde Jazz
"Soon after that, he established the Jazz Composers Guild, a cooperative organization intended to create bargaining power with club owners and build greater media visibility. Mr. Dixon played hardball: he argued for a collective strike on playing in jazz clubs and hoped for the support of John Coltrane, the wave floating most boats of the “new thing.” The strike never happened, and the Guild fractured within a year. "
"In the late 1950s, he was raising a family and working during the day as a secretary at the United Nations. By 1959 he was booking the new music into West Village cafes, including the Phase 2 and Le Figaro. Thus began a long-running role as bootstrap activist and outspoken critic of nearly all the systems of jazz: how it is presented, taught, promoted, recorded and written about. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/arts/music/20dixon.html?ref=obituaries
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Re: Re: Kari and not Karl.
1]the comment that ticked me off -- was aimed at my disability -- dyslexia. Pure harassment under "the Americans with Disabilities Act"
2] my "F.U." to you Mike , was to your ridiculous opinions.-- and is protected speech.
3] HUUUUGE difference --legally
4] if you do not see that -- see you in court , and the Judge will explain it to you.
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Re: All About Jazz . com
I doubt it .
you never reply to 99% of the facts i write.
If you admitted you are wrong on copyright --
esp, this post , and Jazz,
, you would have to quite your job .
It you had integrity --YOU WOULD !!!!
((( or a least give it up on "Copyrights" and "Artist Rights" ,, AS they are the same)))
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All About Jazz . com
Musicians Dig AAJ!
"AAJ is a rare bird: a widespread publication 'saying like it is' not only from a broad based musicians' perspective, but also from sympathetic critics who are really trying to spread the word about the latest in jazz and improvised music. I'm really grateful that AAJ does not have the narrow minded 'box mentality' that seems to permeate so many other publications and the music industry in general."
—Burton Greene
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yes, I think I have found the answer
ANS : Very true. As a musician who come out of a "jam band" " battleground" :),,, i know this well.
And for those of you geeks who doubt me :
An indepentant link , not nine , on my music history::::
http://www.sashasroots.com/kennygwyn.htm.
"Kenny [Gwyn] made many of his musical connections on Bleecker Street, which was hopping with all kinds of different music clubs, as was down town New York in general. Jazz musicians from the Blue Note or the Village Vanguard would show up at Kenny's shows and jam with him. Folk, bluegrass, and blues artist from Folk City would do the same thing, singer songwriters from the Bitter End or the Bottom Line would drop by, as would classic artist from the 60's and 70's who were playing the Lonestar or the Ritz. Countless musicians who came through New York would hit Bleecker Street, be blown away by Kenny, and want to Jam with him. Prince was one of them, so was Maryanne Faithful, Jorma Kaukonen, Paul Butterfield, Jaco Pastorious, and Rick Danko.
I want to focus on Kenny's time at a club called the Inner Circle, that revolved around his talent. He performed there 6 nights a week, I believe from late 1984 to early 1986. This club was on Jane Street and the Westside Highway, right on the Hudson River in a desolate part of town right below the meat packing district that was crawling with nothing but transvestite hookers.
The story as I got it is that "Rueven Adam Halperin," [ME !!!!} a fellow musician who played with Kenny at Mills Tavern and in the Park, was a resident of the Jane West Hotel. He pushed for the owners to open the vacant basement bar as a venue to showcase Kenny's talent, and Kenny played his heart out there 6 nights a week. This is the year of heavy metal and hair bands, Madonna rules the charts, rap is gaining momentum, NY has a thriving hard-core scene, MTV and NY rock stations are inundating our ears with Duran Duran, Hall and Oates, and Phil Collins. There was no good rock radio in NY and no such thing as a classic rock format at this time. WPLJ, WNEW, and WAPP played a few classics, then it was heavy metal, Journey, and some Huey Lewis and the News.
http://www.sashasroots.com/kennygwyn.htm
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The courts have repeatedly ruled that if your 'arrangement' is similar to someone else's, you're violating their ip.
Me : 1] no citation to back your claim ( what court decisions?)
2] you are wrong
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"Canada, China, Mexico, Russia and Spain have been named the “top- priority countries" with inadequate intellectual property enforcement by Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), who co- chair the Intl. Anti-Piracy Caucus, as well a
"Canada, China, Mexico, Russia and Spain have been named the “top- priority countries" with inadequate intellectual property enforcement by Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), who co- chair the Intl. Anti-Piracy Caucus, as well as Reps. Adam Schiff (D- Calif.) and Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.)."
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Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), who co- chair the Intl. Anti-Piracy Caucus------- Sen. Hatch's motives ,, I do not question.,, he is 100% honest and has full integrity ,.....
BUT Sen. Hatch's motives ,, I do not question.,, he is 100% honest and has full integrity ,.....
corrected
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Re:
Believe me ,,i know politicians are flawed creatures by nature ,, and they are the first to admit it.
But most all politicians , are genuine , intellectually honest , and do mean well in advocating their belief's.
I disagree with Sen, Orin Hatch alot -- except copyright,, for sure ---- but I know Sen Hatch , is honest and his philosophy legit == and we both want a world full of love and peace,, we just disagree on the the best political polices that are needed to make the world a better place-- again , EXCEPT for "copyrights vs piracy" ,
By Sen. hatched motive ,, T do not question.,, he is 100% honest and had full integrity ,
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=56579
"RIAA, Senators Blast Nations Lax on Piracy"
"Canada, China, Mexico, Russia and Spain have been named the “top- priority countries" with inadequate intellectual property enforcement by Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), who co- chair the Intl. Anti-Piracy Caucus, as well as Reps. Adam Schiff (D- Calif.) and Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.)."
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=56579
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if you are being purposely ridiculous, or if this is some form of performance art.
Me : SL ,, would never be "purposely ridiculous". she has too much intergety ,, and respects ART & Artist too much. And SL writing is ART.
You Mike are just "naturally ridiculous" every time you touch a keyboard and write on Copyright and Artist's rights therein .
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I don't understand the prism through which you view the world,
Me : because you are a shallow geek Mike. It is not about $$$$.
It is about POWER-- ARTIST CONTROL --- POWER over their ART.
$$ --who cares --- most Artists would really die poor and homeless,, than compromise their ARTistic values.
You cannot see it Mike,,
because you lack an Artistic soul.
go count your $$4 ,, it will make you happy...
leave Artists and Musicians alone.
Respect the law .
respect copyright
do not be a soul-less Pirate
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you're still liable because of bad laws
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Re: This is the more common problem for jazz musicians
Mike ,, you should pour lighter fluid on your keyboard an light on fire,, as homage and sacrifice of those who know and write better than you , on jazz , music , copyRIGHTs and art.
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Jimi Hendrix Guitar Burn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOzhbj1BVOU
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Re: Who will defend this strawman ?.... So I put it to you Mike, as you ask to see how to defend this situation, I'm saying there is no situation to defend, its a strawman. It's the creation of an issue where no issue exists.
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ME : great post
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Re: Money talks, Mike...money talks...
the law is power .
Money is money .
"Power is the worlds greatest aphrodisiac" -- not $$
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