"I am not saying that does not happen on occassion , that a sale takes place , because of a lyric site "
But I am saying the lyric site will still get the lion's share of the $$--- as a reward for THEIR hard work an investment. Kudos to the Lyric site Webmasters who create JOBS.
But the Lyricist -- who is at, the Root , the Core , and the PURPOSE of that $$ making LYRIC Website ,, that talented person who wrote the LYRICS to " Stormy Weather ", surely deserves some "spare change",, esp when you see some of the "Stormy Weather" song lyrics ,, right there , on the front pages of all the major news sites,--- and NOW YOU want the full copy of the LYRICS -- for whatever reason you do.
Why? The SONG's LYRICs have VALUE to you !!
Pay the Lyricist through the advertising on the Lyric site , just like broadcasters of songs in other mediums do.
"Basically, lyrics -- which, by themselves, generated absolutely no money for songwriters/publishers for pretty much the entire history of the business
Sorry Mike , I think my words here dis-prove that assumption.
Web Traffic , however is tangible. Money generated by the site is quantifiable,, ( I hope he pays taxes !).
Just as radio sations and et al , pay royalties , so should profit making lyric sites.
Broadcasters -- who do pay these royalties -- still have very good profit margins compared to other industries,, the websites w/ lyrics will not die, the royalties will be in in sync with with their traffic and adv. $$ .
but now also want a copy of the lyric for your Karaoke club.
Sometimes you have the song already ,--often because you got if for FREE online-- but now also want a copy of the lyric for your Karaoke club. So you go to a $$ -making website. That website should pay royalties to the lyricist
"Yes, but I don't want the lyrics. I want the song. I will pay for the song, but I first have to find out what it's called and who recorded it. The lyrics site allows me to do this."
Sometimes you have the song already ,--often because you got if for FREE online-- but now also want a copy of the lyric for your Karaoke club. So you go to a $$ -making website. That website should pay royalties to the lyricist
"So, by Technopolitical's argument, the lyric site should get a cut of the song's sale. After all, the site worked hard, and the artist made money off of them, so the site deserves to get paid by the artist.Right?"
No, not right. The artist--- by writing good lyrics , that someone desires a copy of -- is driving traffic to the website.
Website makes money on that lyric ,, website owe lyricist $$.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Artists do not work for Free... "I have an app that takes single lines from poems, songs, etc.
"I have NEVER bought a song sheet - I'm not a musician so it's useless to me."
But there are many people who DO find song lyrics useful -- often in their line of work.
"I also do find it amusing that you claim to be a writer but have no grasp of punctuation. ONE comma at a time, please."
Writing for a web post comment is not formal writing,,,, i like commas,,,,, gives the readers pause to think and reflect,,,,,,,, sort of punctual rest beats.
"Should the person who made $0.000002 on my page view send a cut of that to the artist? No, of course not."
Radio stations and other broacasters do pay the songwriter for each play ,, those little sums do ad up !! For an older songwriter , those few bucks , maybe even a few hundred bucks , do add up.
The same as bars with cover band pay ASCAP et al , for the songs preformed there THEY PAY !!
,, so too should FOR-PROFIT lyric sites
pay the orginal artist who is generating their website's income.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Artists do not work for Free... "I have an app that takes single lines from poems, songs, etc.
"Nobody using lyrics sites for those purposes is ever going to buy a song sheet, but they might buy a record - if they can work out what it was. The artist still gets paid for their lyrics, albeit indirectly."
Not true . People use the lyrics for many reasons ,, often professional ones,,, and these lyric sites cut othe orginal songwriter-lyricist. Simply not fair -- and also illegal.
I read techdirt most daily , but ussually do not comment ,, but here I have no choice ,, Mike I found you opening post on this thread , to be shortsighted and dissmissive to the hard-working and talented songwriters and lyricists ,, who work is not so valuable and sought out by millions of folks. ( First time you have REALLY ticked me off in years Mike,,, but I know ,, that why you are here ,, and that is why I read you everday.)
In closing : If a song is not in the public domain, and I want the song lyrics-- for whatever reason -- that orginal composing artist deserves a cut from a money making lyric website. Why is that such a forgien idea to non-artists?
Re: Re: Re: If you've got a song rolling around in your head, but can't come up with its name or the artist, you can't buy it, can you?
I really does not matter why you want the lyric s ,, if you want them they have value. But I do stand by my argument ,, that many lyric seekers are doing so for professional reasons.
Whatever reason one seeks a lyric ,, this was NEVER a free product before the internet-- you had to buy the songbook ( or maybe go to the libary , and make copies ( for a fee) there.
I do not pay the radio staions for listening , the advertisers pay the radio station ,, who in turn pay the Artist.
Lyric sites with adv, show pay the artist the same way.
"Congrats, the lack of lyrics sites have lost at least a sale, if not a new fan if you liked the song enough to check out the rest of their work."
Never said ban lyric sites,, just that any $$$ generated should be shared with the Lyricist. And again we are often taking about old classic songs ,, that while always in your head ,, may not be getting regular airplay anymore,, and my even be out of print -- with the recording industry cutbacks.
"After all, you made money from their work.. they should get a cut... it's only right dont you think?"
Thanks for reading my blog at Myspace,,,,, and Yes the songwriters did get paid!!! Before the internet , I bought the songbook,, and any bar I played in got an yearly visit from ASCAP et. al.,, to collect the royalties for the song the cover artists preform
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"I am not saying that does not happen on occassion , that a sale takes place , because of a lyric site "
But the Lyricist -- who is at, the Root , the Core , and the PURPOSE of that $$ making LYRIC Website ,, that talented person who wrote the LYRICS to " Stormy Weather ", surely deserves some "spare change",, esp when you see some of the "Stormy Weather" song lyrics ,, right there , on the front pages of all the major news sites,--- and NOW YOU want the full copy of the LYRICS -- for whatever reason you do.
Why? The SONG's LYRICs have VALUE to you !!
Pay the Lyricist through the advertising on the Lyric site , just like broadcasters of songs in other mediums do.
http://www.google.com/search?q=stormy%20weather%20lyrics&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u& amp;tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wn
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Because of online lyric sites, TV Rock made a sale that would not have occurred had those sites not existed.
BUt suppose , as it is often true that the Recording Artist -- maybe even Mr. Tv Rock -- IS NOT the lyricist of the song.
The LYRICs made the song FIND-ABLE.
Why not just search for "male R& B in the key of C" ????
Because the LYRICS -- and the talent of the LYRICIST is a large what made you look for the song..... AND the tool you used to find it.
Worth $$ for the composing lyric writer , easy.
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"Basically, lyrics -- which, by themselves, generated absolutely no money for songwriters/publishers for pretty much the entire history of the business
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Most people use them to search for songs or as a repository for their media player to use to get the lyrics that used to come free with the music.
When you bought the Album , tape , or CD long ago ,, or today a LEGAL paid Download ( rare ) --the lyric writer does got a cut.
However the illegal downloading of songs cuts out all of the Artists involved.
Songwriters, Producers, and Recording Artist.
BUT these for-profit lyric sites , they do recover some -- but not all -- of the royalties lost to illegal downloading , for the lyricist at least.
Come to think of it:
Should then the Lyric sites should pay EVERYONE , who worked on ANY version of the song in question?
No.
Because I only want the LYRICS.
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But the songwriter is also making money off the website,
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Web Traffic , however is tangible. Money generated by the site is quantifiable,, ( I hope he pays taxes !).
Just as radio sations and et al , pay royalties , so should profit making lyric sites.
Broadcasters -- who do pay these royalties -- still have very good profit margins compared to other industries,, the websites w/ lyrics will not die, the royalties will be in in sync with with their traffic and adv. $$ .
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but now also want a copy of the lyric for your Karaoke club.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Sometimes you have the song already ,--often because you got if for FREE online-- but now also want a copy of the lyric for your Karaoke club. So you go to a $$ -making website. That website should pay royalties to the lyricist
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Re: Re: Re: Artists do not work for Free
No, not right. The artist--- by writing good lyrics , that someone desires a copy of -- is driving traffic to the website.
Website makes money on that lyric ,, website owe lyricist $$.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Artists do not work for Free
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Artists do not work for Free... "I have an app that takes single lines from poems, songs, etc.
But there are many people who DO find song lyrics useful -- often in their line of work.
"I also do find it amusing that you claim to be a writer but have no grasp of punctuation. ONE comma at a time, please."
Writing for a web post comment is not formal writing,,,, i like commas,,,,, gives the readers pause to think and reflect,,,,,,,, sort of punctual rest beats.
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Re: Re: as far as Mike opening post ...
Radio stations and other broacasters do pay the songwriter for each play ,, those little sums do ad up !! For an older songwriter , those few bucks , maybe even a few hundred bucks , do add up.
The same as bars with cover band pay ASCAP et al , for the songs preformed there THEY PAY !!
,, so too should FOR-PROFIT lyric sites
pay the orginal artist who is generating their website's income.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Artists do not work for Free... "I have an app that takes single lines from poems, songs, etc.
Not true . People use the lyrics for many reasons ,, often professional ones,,, and these lyric sites cut othe orginal songwriter-lyricist. Simply not fair -- and also illegal.
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as far as Mike opening post ...
In closing : If a song is not in the public domain, and I want the song lyrics-- for whatever reason -- that orginal composing artist deserves a cut from a money making lyric website. Why is that such a forgien idea to non-artists?
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Re: Price/Value & copyright as the means to never having to work again....
A lyric site should pay anytime a lyric page with advertising gets visited.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Lyrics as facts
I answered that above,, I bought the songbook ,, and the bar paid ASCAP for the cover tunes preformed in the bar. So everyone got their cut
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Re: Re: Re: If you've got a song rolling around in your head, but can't come up with its name or the artist, you can't buy it, can you?
Whatever reason one seeks a lyric ,, this was NEVER a free product before the internet-- you had to buy the songbook ( or maybe go to the libary , and make copies ( for a fee) there.
I do not pay the radio staions for listening , the advertisers pay the radio station ,, who in turn pay the Artist.
Lyric sites with adv, show pay the artist the same way.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Never said ban lyric sites,, just that any $$$ generated should be shared with the Lyricist. And again we are often taking about old classic songs ,, that while always in your head ,, may not be getting regular airplay anymore,, and my even be out of print -- with the recording industry cutbacks.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Thanks for reading my blog at Myspace,,,,, and Yes the songwriters did get paid!!! Before the internet , I bought the songbook,, and any bar I played in got an yearly visit from ASCAP et. al.,, to collect the royalties for the song the cover artists preform
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