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"Shutting down services that anyone with a pair of working ears can do"
It is not that east to pick out and memorize lyrics just by listening. That is way these lyric sites exist -- they provide a service. Lyric sites make money on ads, by providing that service. Artists deserve a cut of the $$
I read the "about" : "Part of the free culture movement, Wikia content is released under a license and operates on the Open Source MediaWiki software"
Simple Question :
Does this site generate $$$ for the site owners -- even if it be a non-profit corp with a paid staff? If it does not , then , i think an Artist would not mind.
If there is a paid professional staff -- even if the corp is non-profit -- well then the Artists deserve a cut .
"It's not like these sites are competing with any products on the market. Selling lyrics (after they've been released) has never generated any revenue for anyone before."
Completly false. Music publishing -- songbooks with chords and lyrics -- generated income for songwriter and/or lyricist.
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"I've worked for many years as a musician without benefiting financially, because I don't produce a type of music that is commercial enough to support me."
Are you TRYING to make comercial music ? Or just please your own self ? If you are trying to be comercial , and are not , well , not everone can be a top 40 artist. Got to be the best of the best.
Which is why many great musicians and songwriters are housepainters , waiters, and bartenders
But the ones who worked hard , learned their craft , and wrote the songs we sing in the shower-- they deserve the $$$. Folks loke Neil Diamond and Carole King and where songwriters first-- but really got no fame or $$$ till they became recording artists themselves.
"Meaning, the lyric sites that the industry is trying to shut down ARE, in a sense, free efforts by techy people to help artists."
The only help an artists needs is the $$ . If the lyric site is not generating $$ DIRECTLY to the composing Artist -- while the site itself gets Adv. $$$$ ---- THEN the Artist is being ripped off !!
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"Actually, what usually happened was you went home. And nobody makes any money."
Actually not true . I may be spoil living in NYC ,, but the major sheet music stores ( not more than a half dozen left here , i guess), pride themselves on providing that kind of assistance. It is their bread and butter.
" Many bands post on their websites, but they do poor search engine optimization."
True , so maybe you techies here can get jobs helping bands and songwriters with SEO,-- though with major labels and arists I do not fully ced your point .
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"So, the value of lyrics is inseperable from the song itself, and the songwriter has already been compensated when the song was purchased"
In the old days , you bought the Record or tape AND ALSO the "offical" songbook with chords and lyrics , so you could wow your friends at parties with you guitar and voice.
Today , I record {not download , but record) the song off of You Tube, and get the chords and lyrics online -- ALL for free.
"The printed lyrics by themselves are of little value. "
As a folksinger myself , who performed many covers,, those lyrics sheets are very valuable. Many band today use telepromters to the lead singer can remember their OWN lyrics !!! Chords are easy to remember, heck the blues and pop rock , are mostle 3 chord didies-- BUT the lyrics ,, they got to be perfect -- even every ,, "ooh" , and "sigh" , and "whooo", and a [ACCURATE !!] printed lyric sheet is the only way to go.
"post free databases of searchable song lyrics. How does this in any way take away from the artists' bottom line?"
Because you used to have to got to the sheet music store and buy the sheet music. That is how the songwriters got paid ,, through publishing rights. Songwriters and lyricist , are often NOT the musical preformer, and sheet music sales where often how they made much of their $$
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It is not that east to pick out and memorize lyrics just by listening. That is way these lyric sites exist -- they provide a service. Lyric sites make money on ads, by providing that service. Artists deserve a cut of the $$
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song lyrics are not one of them.
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You should sent the extra $200 to whomever invented the game !!! Prove its value to you that way !
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Simple Question :
Does this site generate $$$ for the site owners -- even if it be a non-profit corp with a paid staff? If it does not , then , i think an Artist would not mind.
If there is a paid professional staff -- even if the corp is non-profit -- well then the Artists deserve a cut .
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Completly false. Music publishing -- songbooks with chords and lyrics -- generated income for songwriter and/or lyricist.
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"I've worked for many years as a musician without benefiting financially, because I don't produce a type of music that is commercial enough to support me."
Are you TRYING to make comercial music ? Or just please your own self ? If you are trying to be comercial , and are not , well , not everone can be a top 40 artist. Got to be the best of the best.
Which is why many great musicians and songwriters are housepainters , waiters, and bartenders
But the ones who worked hard , learned their craft , and wrote the songs we sing in the shower-- they deserve the $$$. Folks loke Neil Diamond and Carole King and where songwriters first-- but really got no fame or $$$ till they became recording artists themselves.
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If some is making adv. $$ posting my lyrics ,, i deserve a cut.
It is that simple.
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The only help an artists needs is the $$ . If the lyric site is not generating $$ DIRECTLY to the composing Artist -- while the site itself gets Adv. $$$$ ---- THEN the Artist is being ripped off !!
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Actually not true . I may be spoil living in NYC ,, but the major sheet music stores ( not more than a half dozen left here , i guess), pride themselves on providing that kind of assistance. It is their bread and butter.
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Civil Right marches did not just Humm the tune to "We shall Overcome."
Anti-war folks don't just hummm " Blowing in the Wind"
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can you re-type that ,, I miss the point , with the typo
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Well if people do not know their jobs well,, you got to another music store where they do. That's Capitalism
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My music @ :
http://www.myspace.com/radamhalperin
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True , so maybe you techies here can get jobs helping bands and songwriters with SEO,-- though with major labels and arists I do not fully ced your point .
Bob Dylan for example has all his lyrics online and search "blowing in the wind lyrics" and #1 is : www.bobdylan.com/songs/blowin-wind
So again you SEO tech types ,, DONATE your time to your favorite worthy unsung {pun intended ) band
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In the old days , you bought the Record or tape AND ALSO the "offical" songbook with chords and lyrics , so you could wow your friends at parties with you guitar and voice.
Today , I record {not download , but record) the song off of You Tube, and get the chords and lyrics online -- ALL for free.
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As a folksinger myself , who performed many covers,, those lyrics sheets are very valuable. Many band today use telepromters to the lead singer can remember their OWN lyrics !!! Chords are easy to remember, heck the blues and pop rock , are mostle 3 chord didies-- BUT the lyrics ,, they got to be perfect -- even every ,, "ooh" , and "sigh" , and "whooo", and a [ACCURATE !!] printed lyric sheet is the only way to go.
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Again , then why seek them out , copy , paste and print ?
If someone does that they are proving the value.
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Because you used to have to got to the sheet music store and buy the sheet music. That is how the songwriters got paid ,, through publishing rights. Songwriters and lyricist , are often NOT the musical preformer, and sheet music sales where often how they made much of their $$
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