Not true ,, most of these lyrics sites , are fols looking to make $$ by posting copywrited lyrics online, w/o artist permission-- that was the main point of the original NY TIMES article. I think that point was missed in the post here
" Almost no lyrics by themselves have almost no value whatsoever, even as poetry."
Then why look for them? The beauty of Lyrics is in the "eye" of the beholder. Dylan , the Beatles , Jackson Browne , Joni Mitchell,, great musicians all --- but those Lyrics are what is makes them memorable as artists. How many great intstrumental tracks make it into "top 40 " music history? Very few. Very , very few.
Good lyrics do not come easy, ask any songwriter ( I am one )--- lots of medodies and chords all waiting for the right lyrics.
A google search for a song lyric ,, should lead to the website of the preforming Artist. Most bands have all their lyrics posted online at their own websites for just such reason.
If someone thinks enough of a piece of Art , -- written , painted or recorded-- to seek out their own copy , well the Artist does deserve $$$. Artists cannot eat publicity.
There must be some FAIR way ,,in todays techno-digitala world-- to fairly pay Artists for their works.
No one expects their house to get painted for free. Or the Doctor to heal you for free. But pro-musicians are always being asked to perform for free at friends parties, protests and etc. Does anyone ever ask the deli send free food ?
Art has real value , or else it would not get consumed. Think about how often a song or painting has really changed your day, and brightened your outlook , even for a brief moment.
The Artist who brightens your day deserves what any other craftsman labors for : respect and $$$$$.
~~ Moderators are censors. Peer rankings by other commentators could squeeze out unpopular but reasonable posts.
"Anonymous Coward" posters could at least register at the site. Yes, sometimes interests may be served in an anonymous posts -- whistle blowers primarily, but 99.99% of the time on 99.99% of the post-able sites , Anonymous comments tend to be frivolous dribble most of the time. (Remember you can prove anything with statistics :))
The electric grid , Air traffic control , communication, and more , COULD BE disrupted -- by rouge gov'ts, terror types , or independent loonies.
If it can happen---- it will happen ,,, UNLESS we have some sort of security .
Was Sept 11 2001 preventable ? Yes.
Let us not be sorry again. The electric grid , Air traffic control , communication , COULD BE disrupted by any of the various "terrorists" loonies that spawn globally, and if we leave our guard down,,, one day one of the loonies WILL succeed.
Here in NYC,,, WCBS-TV news tells its views to catch up on the news on the radio at WINS all-news-radio .
Thing is there is also the all news WCBS-am-radio. Both all news radio stations have the same owner.
The two all news stations in the Big Apple have the same owner !?!? FCC regulations tend to be "random acts of managment".
But as talked about here at TechDirt last week , most print and internet news is wire service stuff anyway. While meanwhile on local radio and TV,,, anything non-local comes from networks -- that often pool their reporters anyway.
The news is most always the same as well ,, only the bylines are changed.
Want to be an informed citizen? Turn off the TV and Radio , burn the newspaer in the fireplace , and then use the internet to research out the issues for yourself from sites that do original reporting.
Re: The Wall Street firms said this undermined their business model -- and the court agreed.
(spelling corrected)
" The Wall Street firms said this undermined their business model -- and the court agreed."
I think rightly so were the courts. And i think it will stand on appeal, The "News" at question here , is actually original research produced to be a exclusive to paying customers. Not at all the same as "breaking news for the Times , et al ......
The Wall Street firms said this undermined their business model -- and the court agreed.
" The Wall Street firms said this undermined their business model -- and the court agreed."
I think rightly so were the courts. And i think it will stand on appeal, The "News" at question here , is actually original research produces to be a exclusive to paying customers. Now at all the same as "breaking news for the Times , et al ......
information is out there online for any person who wants to intelligently research any topic
"Last year, we noted that some attempts to count how many stories a newspaper actually reported on each day showed that the numbers were woefully low ....."
This has really been bothering me for a while now. Most newspapers are mostly wire service words.
If not for AP , Reuters et al , there would be no news in newspapers ,,( except the real biggies like the NY times, and Wash. Post etc,)
But information is out there online for any person who wants to intelligently research any topic , news or otherwise. So hopefully as a whole , we know more about what is going on,
There are so many Think Tanks , lobbys , and PIRGs out there , well Citizen , if you do not know who your Congressman is , well , do not blame the media.
Special Extra credit Question : The Name of the State Assembly-person who reps your district ? ... where you live ? in 5 seconds.
"But an intentionally nefarious move designed to mess with consumers? A comparison to the Sony debacle? Really?"
Not the point of Mike's post as i see it .
The point as stated in the source article:
"I certainly wouldn’t want my USB charger to download and execute files without my knowledge, or indeed send my files to a remote location."
Brovo, Mike !! It is your writings , and "seeding" of discussions
that make TechDirt one of the best reads on the web. While I have beeb a daily reader for years , I rarely take time to comment on threads,, but this thread here , and your "food for thought" opening post , was one disscussion i could I could not pass up today. ( Plus I amworking at home today nursing a cold bug, so what the hey ,,,,)
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Re: Re: Artists do not work for Free
On the post: Publishers Still Trying To Squeeze Money Out Of Lyrics Sites
Re: Re: Artists do not work for Free
On the post: Publishers Still Trying To Squeeze Money Out Of Lyrics Sites
Re: Re: Artists do not work for Free
Then why look for them? The beauty of Lyrics is in the "eye" of the beholder. Dylan , the Beatles , Jackson Browne , Joni Mitchell,, great musicians all --- but those Lyrics are what is makes them memorable as artists. How many great intstrumental tracks make it into "top 40 " music history? Very few. Very , very few.
Good lyrics do not come easy, ask any songwriter ( I am one )--- lots of medodies and chords all waiting for the right lyrics.
On the post: Publishers Still Trying To Squeeze Money Out Of Lyrics Sites
Re:
On the post: Publishers Still Trying To Squeeze Money Out Of Lyrics Sites
Artists do not work for Free
There must be some FAIR way ,,in todays techno-digitala world-- to fairly pay Artists for their works.
No one expects their house to get painted for free. Or the Doctor to heal you for free. But pro-musicians are always being asked to perform for free at friends parties, protests and etc. Does anyone ever ask the deli send free food ?
Art has real value , or else it would not get consumed. Think about how often a song or painting has really changed your day, and brightened your outlook , even for a brief moment.
The Artist who brightens your day deserves what any other craftsman labors for : respect and $$$$$.
On the post: Has the New York Times Run Afoul of the FTC's Endorsement Guides?
Re: Re: honest reviews , with good writing
True, the rules a a little off-base.
I guess just get sensitive about the times tech section before my morning coffee. (note to self ,, coffee first -- then read techdirt)
On the post: Has the New York Times Run Afoul of the FTC's Endorsement Guides?
honest reviews , with good writing
"Looking at the iPad From Two Angles"
By DAVID POGUE
"Apple’s iPad seems to be hated by techies and loved by everyone else. Here are separate reviews for the two audiences"
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/technology/personaltech/01pogue.html
On the post: The Real Problem With Internet Comments Isn't Anonymity
moderators are Censorship !
"Anonymous Coward" posters could at least register at the site. Yes, sometimes interests may be served in an anonymous posts -- whistle blowers primarily, but 99.99% of the time on 99.99% of the post-able sites , Anonymous comments tend to be frivolous dribble most of the time. (Remember you can prove anything with statistics :))
On the post: Dear Journalists: There Is No Cyberwar
just because your Paranoid.........
If it can happen---- it will happen ,,, UNLESS we have some sort of security .
Was Sept 11 2001 preventable ? Yes.
Let us not be sorry again. The electric grid , Air traffic control , communication , COULD BE disrupted by any of the various "terrorists" loonies that spawn globally, and if we leave our guard down,,, one day one of the loonies WILL succeed.
On the post: Driving While Yakking Laws Looking More And More Like 'Help The Gov't Make Money' Laws
Truckers and Cops and taxis use CB radios while driving
Then of course Police use radios all the time.
I fail to see the difference between CB radios and talking on a cell.
Texting while driving is and should be criminal
The roads are safer than ever nowadays , with better cars and safer roads,, and cellphones save more lives than they cost on the roads
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Cross ownership and Bulk ownership
Thing is there is also the all news WCBS-am-radio. Both all news radio stations have the same owner.
The two all news stations in the Big Apple have the same owner !?!? FCC regulations tend to be "random acts of managment".
But as talked about here at TechDirt last week , most print and internet news is wire service stuff anyway. While meanwhile on local radio and TV,,, anything non-local comes from networks -- that often pool their reporters anyway.
The news is most always the same as well ,, only the bylines are changed.
Want to be an informed citizen? Turn off the TV and Radio , burn the newspaer in the fireplace , and then use the internet to research out the issues for yourself from sites that do original reporting.
On the post: Are Anonymous Comments Evil?
Re: Re: label anonymou commenters per story
On the post: Hot News Is Back: Court Blocks Website From Reporting The News
Re: The Wall Street firms said this undermined their business model -- and the court agreed.
" The Wall Street firms said this undermined their business model -- and the court agreed."
I think rightly so were the courts. And i think it will stand on appeal, The "News" at question here , is actually original research produced to be a exclusive to paying customers. Not at all the same as "breaking news for the Times , et al ......
On the post: Hot News Is Back: Court Blocks Website From Reporting The News
The Wall Street firms said this undermined their business model -- and the court agreed.
On the post: How Much Of That All Important Journalism Is Really PR?
Re: I refere to them as -
On the post: How Much Of That All Important Journalism Is Really PR?
information is out there online for any person who wants to intelligently research any topic
This has really been bothering me for a while now. Most newspapers are mostly wire service words.
If not for AP , Reuters et al , there would be no news in newspapers ,,( except the real biggies like the NY times, and Wash. Post etc,)
But information is out there online for any person who wants to intelligently research any topic , news or otherwise. So hopefully as a whole , we know more about what is going on,
There are so many Think Tanks , lobbys , and PIRGs out there , well Citizen , if you do not know who your Congressman is , well , do not blame the media.
Special Extra credit Question : The Name of the State Assembly-person who reps your district ? ... where you live ? in 5 seconds.
5 ,,, 4,,, 3,,, 2,,, 1,,,,, Buzzzzzzz
On the post: Movie Producer Sues Variety Over Bad Review
Adv vs copy
The same idiot should Ad-dept is not the editiorial dept. The two dept. teams probably don't even know each others names.
Buy an ad get a great review !! I would expect that ad -sellers should be fired. But you got to be a real dope to buy the line.
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what about the Commas and the Second Amendment ?
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Re: Ugh. The Techdirt decline continues.
Not the point of Mike's post as i see it .
The point as stated in the source article:
"I certainly wouldn’t want my USB charger to download and execute files without my knowledge, or indeed send my files to a remote location."
That is the big deal.
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Re: Re: Answers, not questions
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