The biggest news site in The Netherlands is arguably www.nu.nl which is a free (as in beer) news site. They don't have a print circulation but they have their own redactional staff now, all because of ad revenue.
Now what would happen if one of the large Dutch print newspapers were to put a paywall around their website. More people would flock to the free ones, causing them to have bigger ad-revenues because of more ad-views, so more money to do fun stuff with and expand their empire. Meanwhile the big print newspaper is doomed to failure, as they don't have the page views and the ad views, and arguably even less pageviews than before the paywall.
It's a simple matter of knowing human behaviour.
You can't get ALL online news outlets to go behind a paywall. There will always be at least 1 rogue outlet that would refuse to put up a paywall.
This "giving away ideas" idea is not based on personal gain, but rather sharing with others. It doesn't have to be me-me-me-me-me-me-me. How about us-us-us? Sharing with others is what you learn in kindergarten, but sadly seems to get forgotten over the other formative years.
For instance: I have a good job as a software tester, but that does not mean I have ideas on other issues than that. Do I have to demand payment for my ideas if I tell them to friends who act on them? No. I'm just glad that my idea might get further than just my mind.
1) I buy a CD. The music itself isn't legally available online. So I download it from an unauthorized source. Legal or not? Ethical or not?
2) I buy a CD. The music itself isn't legally available online. So I rip the CD. Legal or not? Ethical or not?
3) I buy a CD. The music itself is also legally available online. But I download it from an unauthorized source anyway. Legal or not? Ethical or not?
4) I buy a CD, but I'd also like to enjoy that music on my mp3-player. The music itself is also legally available online. But I rip the CD anyway. Legal or not? Ethical or not?
History has taught us that the media industry would like us to buy it anew with every new format shift. (Vinyl -> Cassette -> CD, BetaMAX/VCC/VHS -> DVD -> BluRay) So logically the same would hold true with the digital copy.
Hmm perhaps that pub(l)ic health guy was having trouble distinguishing between the two, because he suffers from 'statiticsyphilis', could have been 'numbersgonorrhea' too.
But I'm Dutch, you insensitive clod... oh wait, did I just admit that i sometimes download copyrighted material?
Yes of course I did, I downloaded this article in my browser window, didn't I?
Therefor I'm a 'Dutch Buccaneer'/raporist/freeloading asstard/ninja/pirate/babykiller, except that in NL, downloading of most material is legal, as it's hard for the downloader to figure out whether something he downloaded was offered illegally or not.
we, book-publishers, will do what we do best. We'll just stick to fiction. *grin*
It's the same story indeed. Old business models need to be propped up by legislation, otherwise they'll all fail, and writers will have no incentive to write another letter.
Because after all, if the publishers go out of business, there will be no talent left. Same as there will be no movies made, if the big moviehouses fail, and no music will come out, if the labels fail. "We are too big/important to fail" to paraphrase the false notion of the banks.[/sarcasm]
Actually, they'd just blame the 'no sales' on "ZOMG PIRACY!!!!1111shiftone", and keep on dumping money in the bermuda triangle of the DRM manufacturers.
I wish the Dutch government would listen to this as well.
Currently, the proposed data retention law in NL state a term of 12 months (initially it was 18 months, the minimum stated by the EU was 6 months), and for the new public transit card they are actually keeping data for a whopping 7 years!
I'll repeat my tweet of tonight:
People wonder why I don't watch the Olympic Games. It's not that I don't support the athletes, it's because of the corporate idiots that run it.
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But book piracy makes it so that you actually CAN give your friends a copy of that book. Sure, reselling is impossible, but sharing it with others is possible.
Which means that yet again the (gratis) pirate option provides more value than the (paid for) DRM option.
Limiting what your customers can do with your product is as silly in real world as it is in the digital world.
I think I agree with you Chargone. Hang on... Someone's knocking. I believe the FBI is outside my door. Probably because I said on my public profile that I'm going to kamikaze the IRS.
I know it's a crude argument, but still, you have no right to tell me what I can and cannot do with stuff that I legally bought. That's what I'm saying with that.
Now if I just picked the book in the store and wiped my ass with it right there, you could say that I did something illegal. :)
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Now what would happen if one of the large Dutch print newspapers were to put a paywall around their website. More people would flock to the free ones, causing them to have bigger ad-revenues because of more ad-views, so more money to do fun stuff with and expand their empire. Meanwhile the big print newspaper is doomed to failure, as they don't have the page views and the ad views, and arguably even less pageviews than before the paywall.
It's a simple matter of knowing human behaviour.
You can't get ALL online news outlets to go behind a paywall. There will always be at least 1 rogue outlet that would refuse to put up a paywall.
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This "giving away ideas" idea is not based on personal gain, but rather sharing with others. It doesn't have to be me-me-me-me-me-me-me. How about us-us-us? Sharing with others is what you learn in kindergarten, but sadly seems to get forgotten over the other formative years.
For instance: I have a good job as a software tester, but that does not mean I have ideas on other issues than that. Do I have to demand payment for my ideas if I tell them to friends who act on them? No. I'm just glad that my idea might get further than just my mind.
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1) I buy a CD. The music itself isn't legally available online. So I download it from an unauthorized source. Legal or not? Ethical or not?
2) I buy a CD. The music itself isn't legally available online. So I rip the CD. Legal or not? Ethical or not?
3) I buy a CD. The music itself is also legally available online. But I download it from an unauthorized source anyway. Legal or not? Ethical or not?
4) I buy a CD, but I'd also like to enjoy that music on my mp3-player. The music itself is also legally available online. But I rip the CD anyway. Legal or not? Ethical or not?
History has taught us that the media industry would like us to buy it anew with every new format shift. (Vinyl -> Cassette -> CD, BetaMAX/VCC/VHS -> DVD -> BluRay) So logically the same would hold true with the digital copy.
Should we need to, though?
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statiticsyphilis
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Yes of course I did, I downloaded this article in my browser window, didn't I?
Therefor I'm a 'Dutch Buccaneer'/raporist/freeloading asstard/ninja/pirate/babykiller, except that in NL, downloading of most material is legal, as it's hard for the downloader to figure out whether something he downloaded was offered illegally or not.
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*waits by the mailbox for the inevitable C&D letter*
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Keep your realitycheck, please
It's the same story indeed. Old business models need to be propped up by legislation, otherwise they'll all fail, and writers will have no incentive to write another letter.
Because after all, if the publishers go out of business, there will be no talent left. Same as there will be no movies made, if the big moviehouses fail, and no music will come out, if the labels fail. "We are too big/important to fail" to paraphrase the false notion of the banks.[/sarcasm]
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Dutch situation
Currently, the proposed data retention law in NL state a term of 12 months (initially it was 18 months, the minimum stated by the EU was 6 months), and for the new public transit card they are actually keeping data for a whopping 7 years!
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People wonder why I don't watch the Olympic Games. It's not that I don't support the athletes, it's because of the corporate idiots that run it.
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It's better to use asterisks to emphasise, or use italics, or try to actually say something useful.
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Re: e-Books have different properties than physical books
Which means that yet again the (gratis) pirate option provides more value than the (paid for) DRM option.
Limiting what your customers can do with your product is as silly in real world as it is in the digital world.
DRM is defective by design.
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Now if I just picked the book in the store and wiped my ass with it right there, you could say that I did something illegal. :)
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