Re: Re: I tend to think that once they get the right to collect they begin to abuse that power in ways that actually harm musicians and songwriters more than help them.
However, the insults, === HONESTLY felt
incomplete sentences,== It is a posting board ,, i got a busy day
and liberal use of symbols to disguise profanity===== as opposed to the Sh#cks here , who write from the gutter of life
makes what you look like a jackass rather than a participant in a reasonable discussion +======= FROM an idiot like you ,, that is a compliment
Re: Re: I tend to think that once they get the right to collect they begin to abuse that power in ways that actually harm musicians and songwriters more than help them.
I tend to think that once they get the right to collect they begin to abuse that power in ways that actually harm musicians and songwriters more than help them.
Mike @ techdirt :I tend to think that once they get the right to collect they begin to abuse that power in ways that actually harm musicians and songwriters more than help them."
ME : Are you a working musician??
Who pays the bills and puts the grandchildren through college,, ALL off of his/her songwriting?!?!?
How could you Mike , as an "egomaniac- with -poor --=writing-blogger- something",
For ever,, for heaven's sake,,,
know the life and struggles of a
working songwriter and /or musician??
Who the FreaK are you!!!..........
.......... Mike to tell me that ASCAP /BMI :
"abuse that power in ways that actually harm musicians and songwriters more than help them."
In all honesty Mike,, F%#K YoU !
Really , I have never been so insulted in my life.
For you to think you know how a working songwriter , and their collectives work form the inside ,, as "real world players"--
- living eating and
dying off the CREATION of "their music" and the "art of their songwriting".
Again F#@K YOU !
( It's techdirt I have taken it for weeks , and I saved it for when I meant it.)
Yes I mean it.
You are lucky Chuck Berry ,
and Bob Dylan -
- guys who became rich for their songwriting -- Quite Franky,, Mr .Berry , would kick yous ass physically.
He takes no sh#t for no one.
Bob , well he already wrote a song about you Mike and copyright called:
Positively Fourth Street.
The greatest , "you are really a shmuck" song EVER written.
Copyright infringement can happen without plagiarism.
something tells me you are speaking from personal experience on both "Copyright infringement" & "plagiarism."
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( And if you are a working college proff , where do you find the time to post here so much 24 hours a day in every thread ?)
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YOU :Plagiarism is a serious academic offence and it can result in you failing to
get a degree and dismissal from the University. To avoid plagiarising make sure you reference your
sources correctly.
ME: citation means it is NOT Plagiarism.
( really ? how dumb can you be?)
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YOU :
"No one is suggesting that such deception is acceptable or should be in some way legalized".
Thomas Jefferson's statement on the ownership of Ideas makes it very clear that he did not believe in IP.
"Thomas Jefferson's statement on the ownership of Ideas makes it very clear that he did not believe in IP."
ME : then why is it in the Constitution ,, even before free speech?
you mis-read TJ on IDEAS . See other posts in this thread on TJ and "IDEAS"
" It would be curious then, if an idea, the fugitive fermentation of an individual brain, could, of natural right, be claimed in exclusive and stable property.” -- Thomas Jefferson
MY REPLY :
Ok ,, now I see the problem.
As , Daffy Duck would say : “ hmm Adverb Trouble “ : except here it is a noun: IDEA.
Thomas Jefferson is lamenting that you cannot copyright IDEAS.
Take an Average human brain:
The levels of Brain Function:
1]Instinct /Reflex : I digest food. If food bad I throw up. This is deep in the “reptilian brain , and I cannot control.
2] Animal thought : Animal need food, Animal needs sex. , but animals stop there , they do not ove to next level:
3] Human thought: Ideas and concepts. Let us make a spear . Easier to kill Food.
Ideas and concepts , can also , be : Freedom, Love , Woman’s and Human suffrage.
Idea s are nice , but cannot be copy righted thus , Jefferson Lament. Ideas need to next step-
4] execution into physical action.
I have Idea, We Hunt Food. Let us make a spear , or dig a hole in ground to trap our game.
That is execution into physical action. If it is a good spear , with some new innovation – even today ,, I can patent it.
Artist have IDEAS / inspiration : again the IDEA , cannot be copyrighted.
But , Artist make ART . A painting , a song , a play , a poem, a book .
Artist apply for and get copyright to protect work from Pirates.
Pirates sets up website with ART :
Artist call lawyer. Artist: Throw up { see #1}.
Quite Frankly , Mile , I am deeply disappointed, and somewhat heartbroken, that you did not know the difference between “Idea” and “Execution /Creation /Physical Action” that puts the Idea , into the world where is can be copyrighted.( It is high school stuff.)
For with Ideas alone ,, there no copyright , thus Jefferson’s Lament ? No Jeferson’s Ode to the beauty of human thought , to free slaves , heal the sick , end suffering.
So now read Tommy J.’s quote again, with that thought in mind:
…. [I]deas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation." -- Thomas Jefferson
Man , that is beautiful – and if written today , would be covered by copyright
Re: Re: No evidence the founding fathers believed in intellectual property, and there are other documents indicating some of them explicitly rejected the idea that the products of the mind can be owned.
Claiming that people here are not backing up their arguments by citing sources is simply false. It destroys whatever credibility you might have had.
MIKE :"Claiming that people here are not backing up their arguments by citing sources is simply false. It destroys whatever credibility you might have had."
ME; Techdirt posters , are just a tiny sliver of TECH DIRT readers. Most people read your posts , Mike , but few even bother to read the comments section.
People who come here , mostly view TECHDIRT , as a tip-sheet to what is in " IT " , " IP " , " law " and " stuff like that ".
People DO NOT come to techdirt for your viewpoint , MIKE -- and I hope you know that deep inside you unethical cyborg-ish brain.
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And whats with the NEW comment ranking thing ,
1] Will displays or results be made public and be transparent , or
2] will the TECDIRT gov't , twist results with Pretzal -Pirate logic. ( remember Posters are not readers, and clearly pro-Piracy 100 to 6* )
Please do the former / # 1 .
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the six : SL, Daryl , some AC , Ayn Rand , the ECONOMIST,, and Technopoltical.
On the post: Could Collection Societies Help Up-And-Coming Artists With A 20/80 Distribution System?
Re: Re: I tend to think that once they get the right to collect they begin to abuse that power in ways that actually harm musicians and songwriters more than help them.
incomplete sentences,== It is a posting board ,, i got a busy day
and liberal use of symbols to disguise profanity===== as opposed to the Sh#cks here , who write from the gutter of life
makes what you look like a jackass rather than a participant in a reasonable discussion +======= FROM an idiot like you ,, that is a compliment
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. If this is an example of your song writing, you need to learn how to fry chips.
Me : I have been songwriting for 30 years,, my peers love my songs.
You a "Blatant Coward" who has not an Artistic Soul.. Who cares what you think about the ARTISTIC CRAFT of songwriting & poetry.
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Re:
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Re: I'm fairly against this
Me : that fact ASCAP /BMI are "non profit collectives",, show how faulty your reasoning is.
think about it .
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Re: How about this?//First off we need a system
You ain't a musician,----- you ain't "WE"
Copyright is about "artist's rights" not "audience desires"
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Re: Re: I tend to think that once they get the right to collect they begin to abuse that power in ways that actually harm musicians and songwriters more than help them.
On the post: Could Collection Societies Help Up-And-Coming Artists With A 20/80 Distribution System?
I tend to think that once they get the right to collect they begin to abuse that power in ways that actually harm musicians and songwriters more than help them.
ME : Are you a working musician??
Who pays the bills and puts the grandchildren through college,, ALL off of his/her songwriting?!?!?
How could you Mike , as an "egomaniac- with -poor --=writing-blogger- something",
For ever,, for heaven's sake,,,
know the life and struggles of a
working songwriter and /or musician??
Who the FreaK are you!!!..........
.......... Mike to tell me that ASCAP /BMI :
"abuse that power in ways that actually harm musicians and songwriters more than help them."
In all honesty Mike,, F%#K YoU !
Really , I have never been so insulted in my life.
For you to think you know how a working songwriter , and their collectives work form the inside ,, as "real world players"--
- living eating and
dying off the CREATION of "their music" and the "art of their songwriting".
Again F#@K YOU !
( It's techdirt I have taken it for weeks , and I saved it for when I meant it.)
Yes I mean it.
You are lucky Chuck Berry ,
and Bob Dylan -
- guys who became rich for their songwriting -- Quite Franky,, Mr .Berry , would kick yous ass physically.
He takes no sh#t for no one.
Bob , well he already wrote a song about you Mike and copyright called:
Positively Fourth Street.
The greatest , "you are really a shmuck" song EVER written.
Nice J -- O -- B !!!
BOB !!!!!!!!
http://video.mail.ru/inbox/mtchng_mol/2907/2920.html
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(P.S. As SL pointed out , songwriters make the most in music.. I re-post it later )
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Re: Dude!
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Mike you is lucky Boggie is dead ,, or he would really hurt you ,
Here's looking at you kid.....!
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Until you have a better argument, most other posters are probably ignoring you.///They beat you with experience.
ME : cute post
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Copyright infringement can happen without plagiarism.
========================
( And if you are a working college proff , where do you find the time to post here so much 24 hours a day in every thread ?)
=================== bye ==================
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: IP Ethics a Mickey Mouse Argument ///// Can you back up your opinion with a link to a post somewhere on this site?
ANS : www.techdirt.com ( esp Mike's profile and posts to comments this week) .. READ carefully and between the lines.
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jefferson+ ideas + techdirt + daffy
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=hYY&rlz=1R1GPMD_en___US361 &q=jefferson%2B+ideas+%2B+techdirt+%2B+daffy&aq=f&aqi=m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
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Re: hmm,,,PONOUN & Adverb Trouble
((((noun , verbs , "dangling participles" , and" split infinitives" ,,,,, who knows? , & who cares? ,
, as long as one you understands the gist of the "written" or "spoken" sentence.
that's all folks !!!!!!
Writing is Art , not science, )))))
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hmm Adverb Trouble
Might be to deep for you . it is only a cartoon [sic]
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=340501
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Re: Re: Re: IP Ethics a Mickey Mouse Argument
get a degree and dismissal from the University. To avoid plagiarising make sure you reference your
sources correctly.
ME: citation means it is NOT Plagiarism.
( really ? how dumb can you be?)
---------------------------
YOU :
"No one is suggesting that such deception is acceptable or should be in some way legalized".
Me : in my humble opinion ,, MIKE is !!
Mike , your response ?
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Thomas Jefferson's statement on the ownership of Ideas makes it very clear that he did not believe in IP.
ME : then why is it in the Constitution ,, even before free speech?
you mis-read TJ on IDEAS . See other posts in this thread on TJ and "IDEAS"
" It would be curious then, if an idea, the fugitive fermentation of an individual brain, could, of natural right, be claimed in exclusive and stable property.” -- Thomas Jefferson
MY REPLY :
Ok ,, now I see the problem.
As , Daffy Duck would say : “ hmm Adverb Trouble “ : except here it is a noun: IDEA.
Thomas Jefferson is lamenting that you cannot copyright IDEAS.
Take an Average human brain:
The levels of Brain Function:
1]Instinct /Reflex : I digest food. If food bad I throw up. This is deep in the “reptilian brain , and I cannot control.
2] Animal thought : Animal need food, Animal needs sex. , but animals stop there , they do not ove to next level:
3] Human thought: Ideas and concepts. Let us make a spear . Easier to kill Food.
Ideas and concepts , can also , be : Freedom, Love , Woman’s and Human suffrage.
Idea s are nice , but cannot be copy righted thus , Jefferson Lament. Ideas need to next step-
4] execution into physical action.
I have Idea, We Hunt Food. Let us make a spear , or dig a hole in ground to trap our game.
That is execution into physical action. If it is a good spear , with some new innovation – even today ,, I can patent it.
Artist have IDEAS / inspiration : again the IDEA , cannot be copyrighted.
But , Artist make ART . A painting , a song , a play , a poem, a book .
Artist apply for and get copyright to protect work from Pirates.
Pirates sets up website with ART :
Artist call lawyer. Artist: Throw up { see #1}.
Quite Frankly , Mile , I am deeply disappointed, and somewhat heartbroken, that you did not know the difference between “Idea” and “Execution /Creation /Physical Action” that puts the Idea , into the world where is can be copyrighted.( It is high school stuff.)
For with Ideas alone ,, there no copyright , thus Jefferson’s Lament ? No Jeferson’s Ode to the beauty of human thought , to free slaves , heal the sick , end suffering.
So now read Tommy J.’s quote again, with that thought in mind:
…. [I]deas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation." -- Thomas Jefferson
Man , that is beautiful – and if written today , would be covered by copyright
(reply to this comment)(link to this comment)
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Re: Re: No evidence the founding fathers believed in intellectual property, and there are other documents indicating some of them explicitly rejected the idea that the products of the mind can be owned.
Go to law school. Get back to me
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Intersting News : US experiment hints at 'multiple God particles' // By Paul Rincon Science reporter, BBC News
Page last updated at 23:17 GMT, Monday, 14 June 2010 00:17 UK
By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10313875.stm
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And on calling me a nobody........
I cite , my sources clearly, post my resume link, and answer ALL ( sane people) who comment on my posts.
contact my references if you wish,, I can email them to you.
============= e = n = d=====//
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Claiming that people here are not backing up their arguments by citing sources is simply false. It destroys whatever credibility you might have had.
ME; Techdirt posters , are just a tiny sliver of TECH DIRT readers. Most people read your posts , Mike , but few even bother to read the comments section.
People who come here , mostly view TECHDIRT , as a tip-sheet to what is in " IT " , " IP " , " law " and " stuff like that ".
People DO NOT come to techdirt for your viewpoint , MIKE -- and I hope you know that deep inside you unethical cyborg-ish brain.
------------------
And whats with the NEW comment ranking thing ,
1] Will displays or results be made public and be transparent , or
2] will the TECDIRT gov't , twist results with Pretzal -Pirate logic. ( remember Posters are not readers, and clearly pro-Piracy 100 to 6* )
Please do the former / # 1 .
------------------
the six : SL, Daryl , some AC , Ayn Rand , the ECONOMIST,, and Technopoltical.
http://technopoliticalscience.blogspot.com/
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