The clause I quoted is the "why". The clause you're talking about is the "how." I'm not ignoring it. I'm posting the *relevant* portion when discussing the "why."
The clause I quoted is the "why". The clause you're talking about is the "how." I'm not ignoring it. I'm posting the *relevant* portion when discussing the "why."
---
Mike do NOT Ever go into Politics , the Media , would never let you esacape with a point like that.
Full Quote = Honesty
Half Quote = Agenda
-----------------
You Mike , are a habitual Half-Quoter.
---------------------------
Your readers are smarter , than you.
Except the Pirate Clone Army you have here following you.
That .00001% of the USA pop , that want , kill, cut , and destroy , and abolish copyright for Artists , Writers , and etc ., et al ,
All come here, to read you Mike .
Where else can they go to read such drivel , that ignores law and history?.
--------------------------
Like i say Mike ,, Patent Law , is sick , and needs healing,
------------------------
You have taken your justifiable , and mainstream dissatisfaction with Patent Law in it current bastard form
,, and decided to go after copyright too,, which has been pretty in law and principle stable for 200 years.
--------------------------------
Patents are for big biz corp slime, suing other big biz corp slime.
---------------
Copyright protects the George's Beatles music , from being in every commercial broadcast everywhere. w/o paying the Harrison Estate , which still own George' songs.
I for one am glad copyright means i do not have to hear commercials like ,,
"Here comes , the sun" - Tan -- tan -- , every one ...
Or
"Why My New Car never weeps"
---------------------------------------
copy. right now , copyright forever,,, and stronger.
-------------
But yes, Patent , is a sick puppy , because of huge corp $$$ at stake , greedy lawyers & lobbyists .
---------------------------------
Stick with Patents Mike. you got a good cause there.
-------------------------
but on copyright , it is displaced hostilities from you towards Artist and Writers , See a shrink to work it out..
Re: Re: Full definition of copyright please - not your incomplete version...
"If you go back to the original intent of copyright law, it was to improve learning and knowledge " --- By PROTECTING ARTIST AND INVENTORS , and granting then full COPY -RIGHTS
"Promoting the progress of science" really mean "knowledge" at the time it was written. But, these days, we've [+++ at techdirt ++] lost pretty much all touch with that original intention."----
--------------------------
IN touch with that original intention,,, IS any one who has gone to LAW SCHOOL or , sits in Congress ,, or sits on SCOTUS, or is a Beatle.
If you really , want Richard , you can track , down Jay R. Halfon , who was with NYPIRG , for 20 years -- including 10 years as ex-dir. He is easy to find with a google.. He often gets reference calls and emails on me.
Jay was also Ralph Nader's right hand , whenever , Ralph traveled abroad,, I remember that, well , when they went to the USSR for a speaking tour , in 1988-9, or something ,, as the USSR , was slowing dissolving , and Gorbachev , was letting more of the outside world in.
I did not go , to USSR , with Ralph and Jay, , as in 1986 , i left NYPIRG , and to spend 5 years with GreenPeace in NYC
((( you can find our GP alum group page at "face book". W/ an old video if me from 1986, training canvassers to raise $$$.. I think it is an invite-only-link, I ain't the keeper there. but look, it is listed in my face-book profile witch is private anyway. [No you cannot be my friend. Family only , and old co-workers] )))))
ANYWAY ,,, I went to Greenpeace in March 1986, even after Ralph Nader's head of staff,, calls , my MOM , looking for me ,, because they wanted me to work for Ralph in Wash D.C. as opposed to me going to GreenPeace.
( i was in between apartments at the time , and splitting time between my parents house on Long Island-- mine too, as all my stuff was there still , -----and sleeping by friends in the city .)
Wash DC , had almost no good music scene in 1986 ( now too), so i stayed in NYC.
All very-well document , and well witnessed,, and even press clippings, as most every reporter who reported on lobby-ing and Gov't in NYC and NY state, at the time , had to call me, to get the info and /or person they wanted,
Jim Dwyer of Newsday, did a 1985 piece on ME , and my subway music (--- i split my time between music and activism, for 15 years ,,"see how that paid off !?!?" money -wise , as Mom says---),--
--- I think i still have the clipping ,, actually , if Newsday was not behind a paywall now , it is probably up there some where.
All well documented , and very well witnessed,, by reporters , still working the beat here in NYC.
Satisfied Richard ?
====================================
=========================
===e =====n ======d ============
When have we ever had a discussion on copyrights in the US?
1789.
Jefferson , Madison and co.
It was all settled then .
no need to got back, but rad there posts if you wish.
--------------------------------------------
You wanna , change the Constitution,
well you , know ,,
we all wanna charge your head,,,
You tell me its the institution ,
you better free ,
your mind instead,,,
but , if go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao ,
You aint goona make with any one , ANY How!!!
Don't you know it gonna be ......
bop, shooo , bop , shooby do wop
---------------------------------------------------
The Beatles - Revolution (Live)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Your sensationalism comes as the cost of whatever little credibility you once had.
Ps. myresume , is posted on my techno blogs ,, see my profile for links
NYPIRG , 1982-1986 / 1992 -1995 , Various stuff. Mostly fundraiser , and Admin,, some media , as I work the front desk phone and had to deal with all the reporters who called everyday,,,,, but whatever too ----- I was the main "utility player",, can't find some one to do ,, dump it my desk,, BUT ,, but but ,,,if you forget the "beer tax" ,, I burn your request , and put the ashes , on you desk . ( again: Really. I am fum to work with. bad to mess with.)
Re: Re: Re: Your sensationalism comes as the cost of whatever little credibility you once had.
NYPIRG 35th Anniversary
Jay R. Halfon, Saul Hershenov, Jay Hershenson, Ed Hirs, Ellen Hirs, Li Howard, David R. Jones, Barbara Kancelbaum, Deborah Karpatkin ,Gene Karpinski ,Rich Kassel ,,,,,,,,...
I was not there,, no kosher food there ,, I had a gig , anyway
I was going to go to the June 3rd, 2010, Start of Summer Bash , but I actually forgot .. posting here so much, ( really,, goota use google calender more ,, i never do ,,,uuuugggghh)
Re: Re: Your sensationalism comes as the cost of whatever little credibility you once had.
Barak Obama for Senate
..Thu, September 9, 2004 .
From:
Jay R. Halfon
...
View Contact
To: Jay R. Halfon
CC; NYPIRG Alum List , rahalperin@yahoo.com
Obama Donor Card.doc (23KB)
Dear NYPIRG Alum,
By now many of you know that Barak Obama, candidate for US Senate in Illinois and keynote speaker at the Democratic National Convention in Boston, got his start as a NYPIRG Project Coordinator at City College. I did not get to know Barak when he was at NYPIRG. I was working in Albany at the time. But I have had the good fortune of spending time with him recently at the Democratic National Convention. He credits NYPIRG for providing him with valuable training. He does, however, say that the bottle bill just wasn't the best issue to recruit students in Harlem. He was probably right.
Nonetheless, if Barak wins for US Senate, and he probably will, he will be the first NYPIRG Alum to do so. I am hopeful that NYPIRG Alums will come out and support Barak's election. He is coming to New York for breakfast on September 13th at City Hall Restaurant, just a few blocks from the NYPIRG office. I will be attending and I would like to bring significant support from the NYPIRG Alumni community. I am asking you to help Barak by making a contribution to his campaign. I would like to let Barak know that he is supported by our NYPIRG Alums.
I have attached a donor form. The maximum contribution is $2,000. Of course you can give whatever you want. The greater the number of contributions, regardless of the amount, the more we can show Barak that we are thrilled that he comes out of NYPIRG. Can you email me as soon as possible to let me know if you can help? You can email your donor form directly to me. This is a great opportunity for us to count as one of our own someone who has achieved such national acclaim.
I will add, Barak is not only an enormously talented person, but he is an extremely nice person, open and friendly, and committed to progressive values. Please help.
Let me state for the record that NYPIRG has no involvement in this effort whatsoever. NYPIRG remains totally non-partisan as it always has been.
Call me if you have any questions or ideas at 917-xxx-xxxx and please forward this to other NYPIRG Alums. If you would like to attend the breakfast let me know.
Thanks so much,
Jay Halfon
( technopolitical's old boss , and "professional mentor",, google him if you wish)
==============================================)
"Lawyer s from the label's Swedish branch have sent out notices to 15 tribute groups demanding they stop trading off the Abba name, calling it an infringement of the band's intellectual property rights."
"We've had complaints from all over the world where fans feel they've been misled and we feel it's our duty to protect the Abba brand from misuse," explained an official spokesman for Universal."
----------------
One : i do not know Swedish Law , so , i will not go there.
Two :It is a fuzzy line ,between , tribute band ,, and just a bunch of guy s, who sound like the band,
There are 5000 Bob Dylan wannabes in NYC alone,
no one bills themselves the "bobby dylan tribute show" -
-- Though till this day his songs are 20- 50 % of what i play when i busk.
The key is respect # one ,
and $$ # two.
If Dylan feels my public covers of his tunes damage him --- a claim some fans of his may make :) -- there is really not much Bob can do -- as long as i pay any royalties due ( or the bar where i perform does really.)
But if I am really capitalizing on Bob , scoring bigger $$$, and clearly using Bob in a exploitative way,, then Bob 's lawyer (-- who use to belong to my synagogue, when i lived elsewhere ---) will call me , and say pay up , or chill out.
I will say have Bob call me himself, :)
The lawyer , will laugh , and say , pay up, or see you in court.
The judge will decide.
----------------
It is fuzzy ,
When it is fair use , when it is not fair use.
99 out of 100 cases ,, Bob don't care,, Woody Guthrie did not sue Bob.
but there is a line -- somewhere -- that can get crossed ,, and , if crossed in bad faith---- court time.
=========================
I am amazed at the wealth of information that is available online these days. I don't think a lot of people put in the time to find it, but it is there.
I highly doubt that you've been to Chicago to chill with Obama.
actually,,,, no :(
But when was first running for Senate in 2004 , NYPIRG Alum ---( like Hotel
Cailf, you can check you , but never leave. NYPIRG will find me , and ask for $$ now )----- had a fundraiser for Mr. Obama.
I had something else that night. Missed it. Deep regret.
But when we worked together (1986),, many phone calls ,-- he worked off site , @ CUNY City College Campus --( or one of those)-- and if he needed supplies , or fliers , i was the gate keeper , and supply Sargent.
Like , every one else on staff ,, no beer buy me at bar nite ,, I will mis-place your paycheck,,, if you don't call in for you messages ( 1986 , ancient history tech-wise), i set fire to them , and mailed you the ashes ( I am not joking, had to keep people in line -- i was a busy guy and gate keeper for 75 activists folks, ---do not mess with me) .
I do not remember Mr. Obama giving me a problem. That why i let him get elected :)
On the post: Canadian Court Notes That Keyword Advertising On Competitor's Trademarks Is Not Deceptive
You do realize that there have been tons of similar rulings around the globe, and none are considered "weak.
---------
ME : Balance that against all the instances "infringement ", settled out of court.. or just FLATT OUT stopped , by cease letters.
Or just biz , being kept in line by the law in general.
------------------------
Mike ,, your depth of perception , shows your geek culture: SHALLOW
Philosophy and deep layer-ed thought-- goes right by you.
--------------------
What you see
is not the world.
-------------------
" the more I learn the less I know" -- Budda & Rabbis , say that all the time.
On the post: Top Public School Signs Multi-Million Dollar Deal To Copyright & Sell Its Curriculum
The clause I quoted is the "why". The clause you're talking about is the "how." I'm not ignoring it. I'm posting the *relevant* portion when discussing the "why."
---
Mike do NOT Ever go into Politics , the Media , would never let you esacape with a point like that.
Full Quote = Honesty
Half Quote = Agenda
-----------------
You Mike , are a habitual Half-Quoter.
---------------------------
Your readers are smarter , than you.
Except the Pirate Clone Army you have here following you.
That .00001% of the USA pop , that want , kill, cut , and destroy , and abolish copyright for Artists , Writers , and etc ., et al ,
All come here, to read you Mike .
Where else can they go to read such drivel , that ignores law and history?.
--------------------------
Like i say Mike ,, Patent Law , is sick , and needs healing,
------------------------
You have taken your justifiable , and mainstream dissatisfaction with Patent Law in it current bastard form
,, and decided to go after copyright too,, which has been pretty in law and principle stable for 200 years.
--------------------------------
Patents are for big biz corp slime, suing other big biz corp slime.
---------------
Copyright protects the George's Beatles music , from being in every commercial broadcast everywhere. w/o paying the Harrison Estate , which still own George' songs.
I for one am glad copyright means i do not have to hear commercials like ,,
"Here comes , the sun" - Tan -- tan -- , every one ...
Or
"Why My New Car never weeps"
---------------------------------------
copy. right now , copyright forever,,, and stronger.
-------------
But yes, Patent , is a sick puppy , because of huge corp $$$ at stake , greedy lawyers & lobbyists .
---------------------------------
Stick with Patents Mike. you got a good cause there.
-------------------------
but on copyright , it is displaced hostilities from you towards Artist and Writers , See a shrink to work it out..
On the post: Top Public School Signs Multi-Million Dollar Deal To Copyright & Sell Its Curriculum
Re: Full definition of copyright please - not your incomplete version...
Look at his Squirming Answer here below :
( your ball Daryl , i got you covered)
On the post: Top Public School Signs Multi-Million Dollar Deal To Copyright & Sell Its Curriculum
Re: Re: Full definition of copyright please - not your incomplete version...
"Promoting the progress of science" really mean "knowledge" at the time it was written. But, these days, we've [+++ at techdirt ++] lost pretty much all touch with that original intention."----
--------------------------
IN touch with that original intention,,, IS any one who has gone to LAW SCHOOL or , sits in Congress ,, or sits on SCOTUS, or is a Beatle.
On the post: People Pay For Access, Not Content... But Most People Don't Understand The Difference
"People pay for their broadband connections. That's access"
As i see , i pay my ISP ,, my ISP can pay royalties to the NY Times for page hits.
For me: ISP = 29.95 /month
NY Times Hard Paper copies : like $80 plus a month w/ sundays.
I do not need more paper.
Eventually the ISP and the New york Times will work it out.
-----------------------
However ,,my ISP is Cablevision,, they own Newsday, and Newsday has a paywall.
See mike , we can agree!
On the post: Canadian Court Notes That Keyword Advertising On Competitor's Trademarks Is Not Deceptive
"Always nice to see common sense prevail in court. "
Pirate Lawyers = Prite geeks,
, bottom feeding dwellers , who are a un-necessary evil in the "eco[nomic]- bio-system"
( or course that is only true Mike , if your post accurately reflects the real situation. , A big IF.)
======================
========================
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
seems to say that you were a dogsbody somewhere in the organisation
Forgive me Richard ,, but you can go to H#LL !!
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
A load of stuff you could have made up yourself.
Jay was also Ralph Nader's right hand , whenever , Ralph traveled abroad,, I remember that, well , when they went to the USSR for a speaking tour , in 1988-9, or something ,, as the USSR , was slowing dissolving , and Gorbachev , was letting more of the outside world in.
I did not go , to USSR , with Ralph and Jay, , as in 1986 , i left NYPIRG , and to spend 5 years with GreenPeace in NYC
((( you can find our GP alum group page at "face book". W/ an old video if me from 1986, training canvassers to raise $$$.. I think it is an invite-only-link, I ain't the keeper there. but look, it is listed in my face-book profile witch is private anyway. [No you cannot be my friend. Family only , and old co-workers] )))))
ANYWAY ,,, I went to Greenpeace in March 1986, even after Ralph Nader's head of staff,, calls , my MOM , looking for me ,, because they wanted me to work for Ralph in Wash D.C. as opposed to me going to GreenPeace.
( i was in between apartments at the time , and splitting time between my parents house on Long Island-- mine too, as all my stuff was there still , -----and sleeping by friends in the city .)
Wash DC , had almost no good music scene in 1986 ( now too), so i stayed in NYC.
All very-well document , and well witnessed,, and even press clippings, as most every reporter who reported on lobby-ing and Gov't in NYC and NY state, at the time , had to call me, to get the info and /or person they wanted,
Jim Dwyer of Newsday, did a 1985 piece on ME , and my subway music (--- i split my time between music and activism, for 15 years ,,"see how that paid off !?!?" money -wise , as Mom says---),--
--- I think i still have the clipping ,, actually , if Newsday was not behind a paywall now , it is probably up there some where.
All well documented , and very well witnessed,, by reporters , still working the beat here in NYC.
Satisfied Richard ?
====================================
=========================
===e =====n ======d ============
On the post: Is Copyright Holding Back Research?
When have we ever had a discussion on copyrights in the US?
Jefferson , Madison and co.
It was all settled then .
no need to got back, but rad there posts if you wish.
--------------------------------------------
You wanna , change the Constitution,
well you , know ,,
we all wanna charge your head,,,
You tell me its the institution ,
you better free ,
your mind instead,,,
but , if go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao ,
You aint goona make with any one , ANY How!!!
Don't you know it gonna be ......
bop, shooo , bop , shooby do wop
---------------------------------------------------
The Beatles - Revolution (Live)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imb4tYOk8GE
Again,, the best 4 mins of Rock n roll ever !!!!!!!
even with the feedback , during verse one ,, and John , almost kicking the mic stand over ,,,
Watch Paulies little Beatlemania dance ,, before the instrumental break ,,, "we got now ,, kid ,, watch this ,,,, we is the Beatles!!!"
Enjoy ,, AND THINK ABOUT THE Lyrics ------ MIKE , and the rest of you Pirates.
------------
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Your sensationalism comes as the cost of whatever little credibility you once had.
NYPIRG , 1982-1986 / 1992 -1995 , Various stuff. Mostly fundraiser , and Admin,, some media , as I work the front desk phone and had to deal with all the reporters who called everyday,,,,, but whatever too ----- I was the main "utility player",, can't find some one to do ,, dump it my desk,, BUT ,, but but ,,,if you forget the "beer tax" ,, I burn your request , and put the ashes , on you desk . ( again: Really. I am fum to work with. bad to mess with.)
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
Re: Re: Re: Your sensationalism comes as the cost of whatever little credibility you once had.
Jay R. Halfon, Saul Hershenov, Jay Hershenson, Ed Hirs, Ellen Hirs, Li Howard, David R. Jones, Barbara Kancelbaum, Deborah Karpatkin ,Gene Karpinski ,Rich Kassel ,,,,,,,,...
www.nypirg.org/35th/hostcommittee.html -
I was not there,, no kosher food there ,, I had a gig , anyway
I was going to go to the June 3rd, 2010, Start of Summer Bash , but I actually forgot .. posting here so much, ( really,, goota use google calender more ,, i never do ,,,uuuugggghh)
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
Re: Re: Your sensationalism comes as the cost of whatever little credibility you once had.
..Thu, September 9, 2004 .
From:
Jay R. Halfon
...
View Contact
To: Jay R. Halfon
CC; NYPIRG Alum List , rahalperin@yahoo.com
Obama Donor Card.doc (23KB)
Dear NYPIRG Alum,
By now many of you know that Barak Obama, candidate for US Senate in Illinois and keynote speaker at the Democratic National Convention in Boston, got his start as a NYPIRG Project Coordinator at City College. I did not get to know Barak when he was at NYPIRG. I was working in Albany at the time. But I have had the good fortune of spending time with him recently at the Democratic National Convention. He credits NYPIRG for providing him with valuable training. He does, however, say that the bottle bill just wasn't the best issue to recruit students in Harlem. He was probably right.
Nonetheless, if Barak wins for US Senate, and he probably will, he will be the first NYPIRG Alum to do so. I am hopeful that NYPIRG Alums will come out and support Barak's election. He is coming to New York for breakfast on September 13th at City Hall Restaurant, just a few blocks from the NYPIRG office. I will be attending and I would like to bring significant support from the NYPIRG Alumni community. I am asking you to help Barak by making a contribution to his campaign. I would like to let Barak know that he is supported by our NYPIRG Alums.
I have attached a donor form. The maximum contribution is $2,000. Of course you can give whatever you want. The greater the number of contributions, regardless of the amount, the more we can show Barak that we are thrilled that he comes out of NYPIRG. Can you email me as soon as possible to let me know if you can help? You can email your donor form directly to me. This is a great opportunity for us to count as one of our own someone who has achieved such national acclaim.
I will add, Barak is not only an enormously talented person, but he is an extremely nice person, open and friendly, and committed to progressive values. Please help.
Let me state for the record that NYPIRG has no involvement in this effort whatsoever. NYPIRG remains totally non-partisan as it always has been.
Call me if you have any questions or ideas at 917-xxx-xxxx and please forward this to other NYPIRG Alums. If you would like to attend the breakfast let me know.
Thanks so much,
Jay Halfon
( technopolitical's old boss , and "professional mentor",, google him if you wish)
==============================================)
On the post: As Hollywood Sues Over Copyright Infringement, Hollywood Celebrates Copyright Infringement In Glee
Re: Re: I think more copyright holders should get their lawyers to sue children.
On the post: Universal Music Threatens Abba Tribute Bands
http://new.uk.music.yahoo.com/blogs/behind_the_music/8794/abba-tribute-acts-face-ruin/
"Lawyer s from the label's Swedish branch have sent out notices to 15 tribute groups demanding they stop trading off the Abba name, calling it an infringement of the band's intellectual property rights."
"We've had complaints from all over the world where fans feel they've been misled and we feel it's our duty to protect the Abba brand from misuse," explained an official spokesman for Universal."
----------------
One : i do not know Swedish Law , so , i will not go there.
Two :It is a fuzzy line ,between , tribute band ,, and just a bunch of guy s, who sound like the band,
There are 5000 Bob Dylan wannabes in NYC alone,
no one bills themselves the "bobby dylan tribute show" -
-- Though till this day his songs are 20- 50 % of what i play when i busk.
The key is respect # one ,
and $$ # two.
If Dylan feels my public covers of his tunes damage him --- a claim some fans of his may make :) -- there is really not much Bob can do -- as long as i pay any royalties due ( or the bar where i perform does really.)
But if I am really capitalizing on Bob , scoring bigger $$$, and clearly using Bob in a exploitative way,, then Bob 's lawyer (-- who use to belong to my synagogue, when i lived elsewhere ---) will call me , and say pay up , or chill out.
I will say have Bob call me himself, :)
The lawyer , will laugh , and say , pay up, or see you in court.
The judge will decide.
----------------
It is fuzzy ,
When it is fair use , when it is not fair use.
99 out of 100 cases ,, Bob don't care,, Woody Guthrie did not sue Bob.
but there is a line -- somewhere -- that can get crossed ,, and , if crossed in bad faith---- court time.
=========================
On the post: Is Copyright Holding Back Research?
And I think Mike is confusing these two seperate issues.
another good post.
----------------------------
back to you tube for me.
On the post: Is Copyright Holding Back Research?
I am amazed at the wealth of information that is available online these days. I don't think a lot of people put in the time to find it, but it is there.
On the post: Is Copyright Holding Back Research?
Re: Ignorance is no defense of the law.
no comment,,, huh, ,,,,, mike .
On the post: Is Copyright Holding Back Research?
Technopolitical "pirate logic" diatribe in 3, 2, 1..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsw9jYU_rJI
On the post: Is Copyright Holding Back Research?
Re: Re: Fair Use is the solution to many of these problems
fine post , points , and writing.
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
I highly doubt that you've been to Chicago to chill with Obama.
But when was first running for Senate in 2004 , NYPIRG Alum ---( like Hotel
Cailf, you can check you , but never leave. NYPIRG will find me , and ask for $$ now )----- had a fundraiser for Mr. Obama.
I had something else that night. Missed it. Deep regret.
But when we worked together (1986),, many phone calls ,-- he worked off site , @ CUNY City College Campus --( or one of those)-- and if he needed supplies , or fliers , i was the gate keeper , and supply Sargent.
Like , every one else on staff ,, no beer buy me at bar nite ,, I will mis-place your paycheck,,, if you don't call in for you messages ( 1986 , ancient history tech-wise), i set fire to them , and mailed you the ashes ( I am not joking, had to keep people in line -- i was a busy guy and gate keeper for 75 activists folks, ---do not mess with me) .
I do not remember Mr. Obama giving me a problem. That why i let him get elected :)
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