If "laws evolve", as you admit then the fact that something is illegal does not of itself mean that it is wrong.
"If "laws evolve", as you admit then the fact that something is
illegal does not of itself mean that it is wrong."
----------------------
Ans : finally . a good point.
1] Laws do evolve, the the underlying philosophy of Law does not.
The Philosophy : Private Property/
a house , a car , easy stuff/
2] Art and non-patent IP . harder ,, but ,, IP ART is private property. But we need Fair use , academic citation, etc.
The nuance of the law will adjust. but the Principle -- IP = Private Property will not change, it is in the Constitution. SCOTUS sets it boundaries.
---
3] IP Patent law : it is a mess. Serious fixing is needed,, within still the Principle of PRIVATE PROPERTY.
But when dealing with Corp and inventors-- very hard stuff. Patent law , it big time law ,, very nich elite field. ain't touching that one.
------------------------------------
4] Monty Python
dead parrot sketch
( because I am doing the Python tonite at you tube, while i do my emails.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE
He seems to want to say everyone is a pirate that doesn't give him a million dollars in the next few years.
YOU : "He seems to want to say everyone is a pirate that doesn't give him a million dollars in the next few years."
Ans : true ,, in my ego-manic mind ,
but i live in the [almost] real world. I mean i is a guitar player.
(Q: how do you get a guitar player to stop playing?
A: put sheet music in front of him /her. ! .... ha-ha )
------------------------------------
but back to copyright.
it ain't money. I am poor , but people give me $$ , food , and love for my art & music ( beer too.) If you are gonna to be homeless , take your guitar and voice , and busk in some warm city. Find a place to shower regular, sleep in the park, you will do ok. { it is amazing how many nice women offer musicians a shower at their house. Often with their lovely roommate too :)}
----
sorry ,, hmm , back to copy right .
Bruce has a "song",
John McCain thinks "the song" it can help his quest for the white house.
Bruce say , "do it , and I will drag you down Thunder Road , under my lawyer's car."
As you agree Jay ,, Bruce was right in law ,, and morals, too.
again karl, go to law scool, get back to m e,, the met game is one mm it iall circles with you.
Please stop answering my posts on copyright. I will reply yo you now longer. waste of time. go to law school . learn come back.
there is not way to have a honest logic Socratic discourse with you ,, my guess on anything.. Is the earth Round,, Karl? even with that you gave me junk. You would be thrown out of any philosphy class as being disruptive. REally. I have seen it happen in school. Proff says ,, drop or Fail.
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and where is my apology for all the gruff you gave me about my MY Space page,, I am sure you read Suzanne's words backing me up, ( i am not looking for the link,, the mets have runners on base ) She know more than i do there. Go to her blog,, ask here , maybe she'll has more pity with you.
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Re: Re: as copyright is being used today, it's less about promoting new technologies
ME : Ok Jay. Do YOU think "the Boss" was within his , moral or natural rights to tell McCain, to stop-- regardless of the law?"
JAY :He can.
ME : thank G-D , Ok we are halfway home.
You :
It's a public production and the license should have been cleared beforehand,
Me : Oh again good , you are truly a good honest soul.
You :
but that's far different from say... Metallica stealing music from others. Source -
Me : Wrong you $$%% Pirate !!
Kidding .
Actually that point is for the court to decide based on copyright law,
"My sweet lord" vs "he so fine" trial is the touchstone case in Rock n roll . Lucky George,,,,, ( yes "this song" video link coming : stay tuned) ,,,, where musicologists, lawyers and judges figured out things about music theory , conscience vs. unconsciousness composing -- it only 8 notes to a scale ,, and musicians smoke a lot of pot.
Remember : Chords can not copy right . Lyrics are copyright 100%
Melody is the mess. 8 notes to scale. drugs are involved.
Some times I I write a new song , and whops , its an old chuck berry tune , iforgot i knew,,,, sometimes , it it is a re- work , of my own song , i almost forgot,,
Music songwriting is weird.
We borrow , all the time. the Beatles from Buddy Hollie and the Crickets ( crickets =beatles)
Mick and Kieth , ripped of chuck berry , and early ike turner,,
Me and Ellis , blatantly ripped of Mick and Kieth ( me Kieth, but much cuter) ,,, as the basis for our performing style , and songwriting often , but not always.
Ellis like to rip off Wilson Pickett ,
and me Bob Dylan ( as i mention , rick danko, watched me play dylan a few times)
So we compromised on the Stones , instead of arguing of what song to play next.
--------------------------------
POINT : good faith ed musician are almost never sued by good-faith-ed musicians.
but IF the deciding folks on a lawsuit is some corp , that bought the song ,
, most musicians get pissed,
writer or copier.
I ain't a fan of record labels either.
Pirates have more morals.
they deserve each other !!
-------------------------------------
Now George and Monty Python , to take us home :
George Harrison, 'This Song' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsUkACDSIZY
A blazing track , great musicians ,, song by George , on "My sweet civil lawsuit". Record company staff is the cast. The Judge , is a great drummer.. watch to companion-making -of video ,, look out for ron wood. ( miss you George )
We need laws, but as I was saying before, bad law does not equal just. You went from Rape = Infringement with practically no in between, Argumentum ad nauseam. So eventually, you'll convince someone that rape = Infringement, because they remember that par
We need laws, but as I was saying before, bad law does not equal just. You went from Rape = Infringement with practically no in between, Argumentum ad nauseam. So eventually, you'll convince someone that rape = Infringement, because they remember that part of the debate."
Wrong . it is not "because they remember that part of the debate" .
It is because the Solicitor Genral of the USA , when standing before SCOTUS :
will make the VERY same points I bring here.
Illegal = murder = rape = theft = jaywalking =
piracy= illegal. basic human history in all disciplines of study
I f you cannot see and understand that
Further conversation is mental masturbation, ,,,, unless ,,
Unless you are going to take copyright out of the Constitution.
This it actually "very highly unlikely" , and closer to "categorically impossible". It ain't worth arguing why with Pirates.
You're trying to cause people to wrinkle their nose in disgust because you want to bring the most offensive thing (IE RAPE)
You're trying to cause people to wrinkle their nose in disgust because you want to bring the most offensive thing (IE RAPE)
ans : yes and no.
it pisses you off , it is a hot word.
but it also shows:
All is EQUALLY Illegal
Illegal =murder=jaywalking= theft = playing your stereo at 3 am really loud in suburbia = feeding birds in central park = picking flowers too = auto theft = punching your significant other = punching the cop who comes when they call 911 = rape = shoplifting = Illegal. all the way through.
Judges are allowed to judicate the shades of grey, but as soon as a judge heard your "rape = piracy" argument, I'm sure the case would be thrown out.
"Judges are allowed to judicate the shades of grey, but as soon as a judge heard your "rape = piracy" argument, I'm sure the case would be thrown out."
Name three people in US law, put in jail for copying a file. Go ahead, I'll wait.
not the point. jail is an emotion evoking false political RuSh Limbaugh-ish statment.
"Jail" = "ANY illegal act".
[[[ I do not know what it like in other citys , but in NYC , most every pot head ( $10 fine for a dubie in public),,, street musician ( legal 100% un-- amp-ed) , and even double parkers ,, get run through the system, 1-3 days in jail , if you piss off the cop. Three days "in the can" BEFORE you see a judge or lawyer. Fun City. ]]]]
Re: Still funny to me....your arguments are rather weak.
YOU :
your arguments are rather weak.
Me: If Locke , Jefferson, Rand, the Copyright clause, SCOTUS history, and 100% of the elected congress the the USA is a weak argument:
Well then ,you are either :
a] really stoned on something, even too much coffee, and just having fun here w/o thinking,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and really have no concept about law and moral rights in human history
. "Nice sentences , but drivel still. "
( something tells me your proffs wrote that all the time on your papers next to the "C-". What were your college grades in English-lit, Pol-Sci,, even "high school social studies." ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I got all "A"s.)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TP thinks rape is on the same terms as copyright infringement
Because you cannot answer Pretzel Logic.
It do not bother.
Normal , strait thinking people understand my posts.
Pirates , cannot ,, or refuse to.
I go a busy like.
i try not to waste time arguing with Pirate Pretzel Convoluted LOGIC.
------------------------
If you raise a good clear point , that I disagree with ...i will gladly answer. If I agree , i will also post ,, "good Job" or "I agree" ,, but besides , Suzanne L. , Phil , and Daryl ,, posters here most never do a good job.
If you mis-sate fact , or well defined legal concepts , i will ALSO point it out.
But Pirate Logic , just ain't worth the time, to respond to .
==============================
Re: Re: Let's test our Supreme Court knowledge with a little quiz.
(( I re-post signed in , so it will be in my techdirt profile ...soon to be read by millions of people daily . :) ,, right Mike ?))
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You :"Let's test our Supreme Court knowledge with a little quiz."
ME : Basic reality Karl,, Copyright is in the constitution, the court is bound to protect the Principles of Copy RIGHTS.
The cases you site above did nothing to shake the "CONSTITUTIONAL Bedrock Foundation" of COPYRIGHTS.
Again KARL ,, you are nitpicking little nuances in legal decisions m you cannot possible fully understand , unless you have a Phd. in Constitutional Law,.
-------
As far a my cover song of the Beatles at my space :
A quote from a professional music rep who often comments here at techdirt:::
by Suzanne Lainson: , Jun 8th, 2010 @ 8:03pm:::
""What I wanted to add was that>>>>> I know many musicians who cover other people's songs on YouTube as a way to get attention. They aren't asked to take those songs down. Search for any popular song on YouTube and you will find multiple versions. These are unauthorized versions but they are allowed to stand. >> "I know many musicians who cover other people's songs on YouTube as a way to get attention. They aren't asked to take those songs down. Search for any popular song on YouTube and you will find multiple versions. These are unauthorized versions but they are allowed to stand."
Re: Let's test our Supreme Court knowledge with a little quiz.
clearly me .
Cleared cache and cookies again,
------------
pop quiz :
And why are they "cookies" and not "cupcakes"?
anybody know?
How about the word spam ? Why "spam"?
I know the answers.
SO Pop quiz time Pirates:
No search Google ( et all ) allowed .
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Answer of top of head. ( be honest
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
If "laws evolve", as you admit then the fact that something is illegal does not of itself mean that it is wrong.
illegal does not of itself mean that it is wrong."
----------------------
Ans : finally . a good point.
1] Laws do evolve, the the underlying philosophy of Law does not.
The Philosophy : Private Property/
a house , a car , easy stuff/
2] Art and non-patent IP . harder ,, but ,, IP ART is private property. But we need Fair use , academic citation, etc.
The nuance of the law will adjust. but the Principle -- IP = Private Property will not change, it is in the Constitution. SCOTUS sets it boundaries.
---
3] IP Patent law : it is a mess. Serious fixing is needed,, within still the Principle of PRIVATE PROPERTY.
But when dealing with Corp and inventors-- very hard stuff. Patent law , it big time law ,, very nich elite field. ain't touching that one.
------------------------------------
4] Monty Python
dead parrot sketch
( because I am doing the Python tonite at you tube, while i do my emails.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE
great stuff.
===========================
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
He seems to want to say everyone is a pirate that doesn't give him a million dollars in the next few years.
Ans : true ,, in my ego-manic mind ,
but i live in the [almost] real world. I mean i is a guitar player.
(Q: how do you get a guitar player to stop playing?
A: put sheet music in front of him /her. ! .... ha-ha )
------------------------------------
but back to copyright.
it ain't money. I am poor , but people give me $$ , food , and love for my art & music ( beer too.) If you are gonna to be homeless , take your guitar and voice , and busk in some warm city. Find a place to shower regular, sleep in the park, you will do ok. { it is amazing how many nice women offer musicians a shower at their house. Often with their lovely roommate too :)}
----
sorry ,, hmm , back to copy right .
Bruce has a "song",
John McCain thinks "the song" it can help his quest for the white house.
Bruce say , "do it , and I will drag you down Thunder Road , under my lawyer's car."
As you agree Jay ,, Bruce was right in law ,, and morals, too.
that is my point Artist control.
but yes , w/o that control , i cannot make $$$.
So control , comes from the Copyright Clause.
Try to change it.
you won't.
I own congress on that.
----------------------------------------------------
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Re: Re: Re: Hume? Tolstoy? Okay, then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
for you karl ,, watch and enjoy.
bye
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Re: Re: Hume? Tolstoy? Okay, then.
Please stop answering my posts on copyright. I will reply yo you now longer. waste of time. go to law school . learn come back.
there is not way to have a honest logic Socratic discourse with you ,, my guess on anything.. Is the earth Round,, Karl? even with that you gave me junk. You would be thrown out of any philosphy class as being disruptive. REally. I have seen it happen in school. Proff says ,, drop or Fail.
------------------------------------------------------------
and where is my apology for all the gruff you gave me about my MY Space page,, I am sure you read Suzanne's words backing me up, ( i am not looking for the link,, the mets have runners on base ) She know more than i do there. Go to her blog,, ask here , maybe she'll has more pity with you.
---------
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===========
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
Re: Re: as copyright is being used today, it's less about promoting new technologies
JAY :He can.
ME : thank G-D , Ok we are halfway home.
You :
It's a public production and the license should have been cleared beforehand,
Me : Oh again good , you are truly a good honest soul.
You :
but that's far different from say... Metallica stealing music from others. Source -
Me : Wrong you $$%% Pirate !!
Kidding .
Actually that point is for the court to decide based on copyright law,
"My sweet lord" vs "he so fine" trial is the touchstone case in Rock n roll . Lucky George,,,,, ( yes "this song" video link coming : stay tuned) ,,,, where musicologists, lawyers and judges figured out things about music theory , conscience vs. unconsciousness composing -- it only 8 notes to a scale ,, and musicians smoke a lot of pot.
Remember : Chords can not copy right . Lyrics are copyright 100%
Melody is the mess. 8 notes to scale. drugs are involved.
Some times I I write a new song , and whops , its an old chuck berry tune , iforgot i knew,,,, sometimes , it it is a re- work , of my own song , i almost forgot,,
Music songwriting is weird.
We borrow , all the time. the Beatles from Buddy Hollie and the Crickets ( crickets =beatles)
Mick and Kieth , ripped of chuck berry , and early ike turner,,
and me and my "musical partner in Crime" for 15 years ,
Ellis Hooks , http://www.myspace.com/ellishooksmusic,,,
Me and Ellis , blatantly ripped of Mick and Kieth ( me Kieth, but much cuter) ,,, as the basis for our performing style , and songwriting often , but not always.
Ellis like to rip off Wilson Pickett ,
and me Bob Dylan ( as i mention , rick danko, watched me play dylan a few times)
So we compromised on the Stones , instead of arguing of what song to play next.
--------------------------------
POINT : good faith ed musician are almost never sued by good-faith-ed musicians.
but IF the deciding folks on a lawsuit is some corp , that bought the song ,
, most musicians get pissed,
writer or copier.
I ain't a fan of record labels either.
Pirates have more morals.
they deserve each other !!
-------------------------------------
Now George and Monty Python , to take us home :
George Harrison, 'This Song'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsUkACDSIZY
A blazing track , great musicians ,, song by George , on "My sweet civil lawsuit". Record company staff is the cast. The Judge , is a great drummer.. watch to companion-making -of video ,, look out for ron wood. ( miss you George )
AND
George and Eric Idle , taking on Piracy in 197-something
George Harrison's -- "The Pirate Song"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGbRHxM4X2g&feature=related
enjoy
======================= ===========
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Re: Hume? Tolstoy? Okay, then.
i will save my draft response for later elsewhere
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Re: Tsk tsk tsk
Or just take on adult ed course , in Law history , Political Phil,,, or pol-sci-100
bye,,
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Re: Some things I missed...
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
We need laws, but as I was saying before, bad law does not equal just. You went from Rape = Infringement with practically no in between, Argumentum ad nauseam. So eventually, you'll convince someone that rape = Infringement, because they remember that par
Wrong . it is not "because they remember that part of the debate" .
It is because the Solicitor Genral of the USA , when standing before SCOTUS :
will make the VERY same points I bring here.
Illegal = murder = rape = theft = jaywalking =
piracy= illegal. basic human history in all disciplines of study
I f you cannot see and understand that
Further conversation is mental masturbation, ,,,, unless ,,
Unless you are going to take copyright out of the Constitution.
This it actually "very highly unlikely" , and closer to "categorically impossible". It ain't worth arguing why with Pirates.
------------------
bye
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You're trying to cause people to wrinkle their nose in disgust because you want to bring the most offensive thing (IE RAPE)
ans : yes and no.
it pisses you off , it is a hot word.
but it also shows:
All is EQUALLY Illegal
Illegal =murder=jaywalking= theft = playing your stereo at 3 am really loud in suburbia = feeding birds in central park = picking flowers too = auto theft = punching your significant other = punching the cop who comes when they call 911 = rape = shoplifting = Illegal. all the way through.
Legal = white
Illegal = black
Judges do Grey.
Law school.
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
Judges are allowed to judicate the shades of grey, but as soon as a judge heard your "rape = piracy" argument, I'm sure the case would be thrown out.
ANS : no I learned it FROM a judge.
( how stoned r u ?)
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Name three people in US law, put in jail for copying a file. Go ahead, I'll wait.
"Jail" = "ANY illegal act".
[[[ I do not know what it like in other citys , but in NYC , most every pot head ( $10 fine for a dubie in public),,, street musician ( legal 100% un-- amp-ed) , and even double parkers ,, get run through the system, 1-3 days in jail , if you piss off the cop. Three days "in the can" BEFORE you see a judge or lawyer. Fun City. ]]]]
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Re: Still funny to me....your arguments are rather weak.
your arguments are rather weak.
Me: If Locke , Jefferson, Rand, the Copyright clause, SCOTUS history, and 100% of the elected congress the the USA is a weak argument:
Well then ,you are either :
a] really stoned on something, even too much coffee, and just having fun here w/o thinking,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and really have no concept about law and moral rights in human history
. "Nice sentences , but drivel still. "
( something tells me your proffs wrote that all the time on your papers next to the "C-". What were your college grades in English-lit, Pol-Sci,, even "high school social studies." ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I got all "A"s.)
b] you are immoral and dangerous to society.
c] both
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TP thinks rape is on the same terms as copyright infringement
It do not bother.
Normal , strait thinking people understand my posts.
Pirates , cannot ,, or refuse to.
I go a busy like.
i try not to waste time arguing with Pirate Pretzel Convoluted LOGIC.
------------------------
If you raise a good clear point , that I disagree with ...i will gladly answer. If I agree , i will also post ,, "good Job" or "I agree" ,, but besides , Suzanne L. , Phil , and Daryl ,, posters here most never do a good job.
If you mis-sate fact , or well defined legal concepts , i will ALSO point it out.
But Pirate Logic , just ain't worth the time, to respond to .
==============================
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Re: Re: Re: So you should listen to me because I'm an artist!
All his words and animations comes from human artists.
your Pirate Logic hangs you again
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Re: ou were the one who moved the debate onto philosophy and were soundly smacked down by Karl
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
Re: Re: Let's test our Supreme Court knowledge with a little quiz.
-------------------------------------
You :"Let's test our Supreme Court knowledge with a little quiz."
ME : Basic reality Karl,, Copyright is in the constitution, the court is bound to protect the Principles of Copy RIGHTS.
The cases you site above did nothing to shake the "CONSTITUTIONAL Bedrock Foundation" of COPYRIGHTS.
Again KARL ,, you are nitpicking little nuances in legal decisions m you cannot possible fully understand , unless you have a Phd. in Constitutional Law,.
-------
As far a my cover song of the Beatles at my space :
A quote from a professional music rep who often comments here at techdirt:::
by Suzanne Lainson: , Jun 8th, 2010 @ 8:03pm:::
""What I wanted to add was that>>>>> I know many musicians who cover other people's songs on YouTube as a way to get attention. They aren't asked to take those songs down. Search for any popular song on YouTube and you will find multiple versions. These are unauthorized versions but they are allowed to stand. >> "I know many musicians who cover other people's songs on YouTube as a way to get attention. They aren't asked to take those songs down. Search for any popular song on YouTube and you will find multiple versions. These are unauthorized versions but they are allowed to stand."
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Re: Let's test our Supreme Court knowledge with a little quiz.
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Disapproving Einstein's Dyslexia
http://tilliebaum.blogspot.com/2006/03/hiking-stick-helps-in-expanding-my.html
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Re: Re: Re: Disapproving Einstein's Dyslexia
but I believe he does allude to it in his own writings. I lent my copy of "relatvity" to a friend. I will double check.
but again folks,, to insult my disability --dyslexia -- says mote about you than me.
I also walk with a cane , for a bad back problem ( thoracic disc degeneration). Wanna make fun of that too?
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