Re: Re: Re: Re: You lost too many brownie points on that one...
A] "Copying" is against the law , because some people claim "copying" is their nature and we must therefor prosecute them in law and court and may put them in Jail.
B} "Theft" is against the law , because some people claim "theft" is their nature and we must therefor prosecute them in law and court and may put them in Jail.
C} and yes , the big one :
"Rape" is against the law , because some people claim "Raping during wartime and/or on a date after giving her drugs "--- is their nature and , we must therefor prosecute them in law and court and put them in Jail.
See the point Now ???? rape=immoral Piracy - immoral, Both are illegal. Law itself is black and white. Judges are allowed to pontificate and judicate the "shades of Grey"
Re: Re: Re: You lost too many brownie points on that one...
YOU : So, I take your boat or tangible good, I've robbed you.
ME : Yes . Finally you got a point right
YOU : I take an apple in Wal-Mart, I'm depriving Wal-Mart of a tangible good.
ME : yes again,, WOW ,, your are hot now!!
YOU :And yet, through your argument, you're trying to tell us that this "intangible good" should have the rights of other goods. It shouldn't.
ME : WRONG .see above re: John Locke. ( too bad you were getting hot here.)
YOU : I make a copy of the Mona Lisa, have I deprived the artist?
ME : YES !!!!!! Artist control . You made a copy without permission. Artist CONTROL , is NEVER about $$$ , it is about controlling use. Allowing FAIR USE , and stopping un-fair use . Where have you been ?
YOU :There's human nature. We copy successful strategies, making them into our own.
ME : you cannot copy roight IDEAS .. // BUT , "We copy successful strategies, making them into our own: ,, i s just a nice way to say " he stole my idea" -- which while not illegal at all , does go against social norms , in the "Art world" and "Business World" . No one like have things stolen from them -- even if it just be a profitable IDEA -- which you cannot
copyright within law.
YOU : Same as with music or anything else. We copy, then form our own understanding of it.
ME : Form understanding is fine . that is the Artist sacrifice for going public-- that many will mis-understand the ARTist 's message , and warp it into their perverted worldview.
You " "We copy"
ME : You do w/o Permission , and I will sue you ,,
and Chuck Berry might beat you up. ( He has done that to other musicians -- who rip off his songs in a scoffing poor-faith-ed manner. chuck on beast up Jerry lee Lewis , when Lewis claimed that HE , not chuck was the "King of Rock n Roll")
------------------------------------
YOU :
Then we go to create new songs based off the old ones.
ME : 1] Chords you cannot copyright :
2] Melody copyright-able , but it can get messy , with only 8 notes in a scale.( My sweet lord vs. he's so fine)
3} Lyrics are always fully protected.
---------------------------------
YOU :
Decrying this copying as harmful is what is going against human nature.
ME : there is that darn "copying as harmful is what is going >>>against human nature
Re: Re: You lost too many brownie points on that one...
YOU :Date Rape = piracy?
ME: Equivalent in the case that BOTH are ILLEGAL. Not Judging the magnitude of the crime. Both words: "rape" and "piracy" have gone hand -in-hand thought out human history , in literature & law . Vikings were Pirates. Vikings also "Raped and pillaged" their way though northern Europe about 1200 years ago. There is nothing cool or moral about either "rape" or "Piracy".. Both are illegal and .or immoral according to ALL definitions -- legal , literary , and vernacular.
-------------------------------------
YOU :Now I know this is a joke account.
ME :Pirates claiming to be nice and mainstream is the joke.
---------------------------------------
YOU :Go for sad extremes to invoke an emotional response. Kinda sad when your logos (defined at bottom) is truly lacking.
ME : We are having a Political Debate and a Moral Debate on PIRACY and copyright law in the USA.
A issue that I feel very passionate about . More passionate against it , than you are for it. But do I curse at people , calling them foul names in my posts ?
As I mentioned elsewhere, I am ordained clergy -- an Orthodox Rabbi-- do not lecture me there.
YOU : as I'll respond because now I find this humorous.
"Outlawing Rape goes against human nature , Many Men , find rape laws oppressive--"
I'm not one of those men. Furthermore, let's have some respect in a debate shall we?.
ME: THE argument I have offered here , IS pointing out that both Rape and Priacy are illegal.
BOTH RAPIST in wartime and PIRATES here at techdirt --- claim that the LAWS of men & nations against their acts of rape and piracy "goes against human nature":. It was a direct quote from another pirate poster[s].
My point was ,, if you ever studied law , or civil liberties , you would know : that wee need laws to protect civil people from uncivil people.
The nature of "uncivil" people is to break laws, for "fun" and/or "profit"-- or "passion" (i.e. they cannot control it ,, to control it is against their "nature"). The argument that "the law was against my nature" , fails in court -- no matter what the crime -- from "jaywalking" to "Murder one."
Clear ?
-----------------------------------
YOU : Rape is offensive, bar none. To disrespect a woman with it means you aren't a man. Nothing more needs to be said.
ME : Why do you think very few women post here at techdirt? Because they find you Pirates offensive.
The few woman who post here , most all are anti-Pirate.
I have made a good connection with one women here ( cyber-space -wise) -- AND if you read my posts -- you will find our conversation in recent threads --- and she has emailed me her own "professional" research against Piracy.
We have made good professional contact , now at Linkedin and Facebook , to ally in our "war with copyright pirates".
Trust me ,, no one respects women , more than me. [ I can give you several thousand references there :) --- I was a rock musician . before I was a rabbi. (( now i am both ))].
--------------------------------------
YOU :"I am sure you know a lot of folks who shoplifted their way through high school and college, Shoplifting is harmless,. So they do it."
Anecdotal at best.
ME : But accurate right ??? I know alot of folks who did.
"Shrinkage" as it is known in retail , is a major drain on our economy. Pirate = thief ---- (yes I mean that -- look up the words in any dictionary .)
--------------------------------------------
Me:Use an argument. Research it.
Me words here are well calculated. I know how to piss you guys off ,, so you get sloppy , and make inane statements that will get you laughed out , of courts , congress, and philosophy classes.
Example from you : "you're trying to tell us that this "intangible good" should have the rights of other goods. It shouldn't."
You would be laughed out of court, congress and class on that point. that is why it is called "intellectual PROPERTY" . That is why IP , is considered part of John Locke's postulations on PRIVATE PROPERTY as a natural and moral RIGHT.
This is my academic discipline. I could be your college proff here in this context. Of course you miss the boat. you never took a political philosophy course at any ttime in your academic carreer ? Just an assumption ,, but I will bet 5 cents.
If you did -- an passed it ,, you could never write:
" you're trying to tell us that this "intangible good" should have the rights of other goods. It shouldn't. "
It is a main premise to the concept of PRIVATE PROPERTY , that ARTIST and Author creation , is their PRIVATE PROPERTY to fully control.
You Pirates fall for my Socratic "rope-a-dope " every time.
I hang you with your own words.
========================================
YOU :Just stop embarrassing yourself by having no true argument. Tsk Tsk tsk...
ME : Who is embarressed now ? I feel great and proud , and academically sound inmy arguments.
How about you , "Mr. Intangible good should have the rights of other goods. It shouldn't." ( To bad it does , in law and fact since Plato at least ,, and John Locke for sure.)
===================================
YOU quoting ME : "You folks claim laws against Piracy is something "that goes against human nature." The majority of humans are not Pirates. In democracies people have elected governments that have outlawed piracy."
YOU :Causal link is not there.
ME : NOT at all !!!! It is a CAUSATIVE link.
YOU : You've yet to define how a democracy has supposedly outlawed piracy.
ME : you are about to knock yourself out .
YOU : I'll help you out though. That's how good natured I am.
YOU :Piracy -
hijacking on the high seas or in similar contexts; taking a ship or plane away from the control of those who are legally entitled to it.
ME :
piracy [ˈpaɪrəsɪ]
n pl -cies
1. (Law) Brit robbery on the seas within admiralty jurisdiction
2. (Transport / Nautical Terms) a felony, such as robbery or hijacking, committed aboard a ship or aircraft
>>>3. the unauthorized use or appropriation of patented or copyrighted material, ideas, etc.>>against human nature
piracy [ˈpaɪrəsɪ] // noun // 3. the unauthorized use or appropriation of patented or copyrighted material, ideas, etc...
pi·ra·cy (pr-s)
n. pl. pi·ra·cies
1.
a. Robbery committed at sea.
b. A similar act of robbery, as the hijacking of an airplane.
2. The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy.
3. The operation of an unlicensed, illegal radio or television station.
[Medieval Latin prtia, from Late Greek peirteia, from Greek peirts, pirate; see pirate.]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Wow, I'm finding this entertaining...
no , you fool,,
I am telling how to win.
how to outlaw copyright forever .
is not that your goal?
posting here does little -- it is not political action.
you pirates ,, have to organize,
lobby ,, run for office,,
Change the laws.
or else your words here ,
will die with you one day, :(
and the evil copyright lords will win.
--------------------------
Beat the "copyright lords" by getting laws changed in congress.
You can do it !!!
You guys have been saying
your the majority.
Pirates out number Artists.
Most world citizens are Pirates-- Right !!
That is the point I see all the time here ,
Must be true.
-------------
Point : Either Organize in the real world of politics.
and change law. Really do it.
OR
Post here @ techdirt for the rest of & just pretend
that is MENTAL masturbation.
A common phrase for a useless intellectual pursuit-- posting here.
----------------------
Now there are some among you Pirates who feel that just by spreading Piracy with massive amounts of illegal downloads , you will neuter the current copyright system into oblivion.
I doubt it. The police have guns and jails, and do not like Pirates.
------
That why i see the "Pirate movement" as a zero
political threat.
Anarchists can't organize them selves into meaningful political coalitions that will actually achieve real world results.
You stand about as much chance at abolishing , or even weakening copyright laws in the USA,, as Rand Paul does getting elected President.
It Ain't gonna happen.
In political lexicon you are a: "paper tiger"
"One that is seemingly dangerous and powerful but is in fact timid and weak: "They are paper tigers, weak and indecisive" "(Frederick Forsyth).
Re: Re: Copyright infringement is a victimless crime.?????
+++++"Piracy denies individuals who have invested in the creation and production of these goods (WHICH NO-ONE FORCED THEM TO CREATE) a POTENTIAL return on their investment NOT GUARANTEED IN LAW thus POSSIBLY reducing the incentive to invest in MAYBE innovative products and new DERIVATIVE works," he said in a statement. "The end result is the loss of IMAGINARY billions of dollars in revenue for the **AA each year and even greater losses IN SALES OF SHINY PLASTIC DISCS in terms of BETTER ECOLOGICAL PROTECTION."++++
===========
ME:
too bad you are not a senator
Think about it.
You try to get elected to office with what you wrote.
---------
Your cause can only be won by political action..
Either get elected your self , or vote in people who agree.
The other political action option is armed revolt.
Now your not that kind of Pirate Are You?
--------------
Writing posts here at techdirt is political masturbation ..--(stole that phrase from a proff of mine in pol-sci --).
It may feel good
but it is pointless ,
and you feel guilty after.
--------------------
You really wanna have more fun in bed,,
Run for office, work for candidates ,, push your platform into the American Electorate,
See how you do.
But remember , i got the Beatles on my side.
The Bruce Springsteen too.
Where are you going to get your campaign theme songs from?
You will have to write your own.
You will need musicians and songwriters.
"You Pirates Are In a Tough Spot Politically."
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--------------------
Now , over to Wolf , for latest on the Gulf Spill,---
Wolf are you there? ---
Hum , I guess we seem to be having technical problems with Wolf's remote setup.....
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Re: Re: Your sensationalism comes as the cost of whatever little credibility you once had.
corrected.
I should never post before morning coffee.
(where is my ciggies.)
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Re: Your sensationalism comes as the cost of whatever little credibility you once had.
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Your sensationalism comes as the cost of whatever little credibility you once had.
Or couse I have not crediabilty with Pirates, you would have to surrender ship.
But I do have crediabliy , with lawyers , judges , and elelcted officals ,, some of whom are former co-workers.
One of my old Co-workers is named: Barack Obama .
( we both were on staff at NYPIRG in 1986 . http://www.nypirg.org/ )
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6am ...but you provide some of your work for free, right?
even if i give it for free, certain people cannot use it in certain situations.
Just as Bruce Springstein would not ley John McCain use "the Boss's " music i at GOP rallies in 2008.
As Bruce strongly backed Obama.
Do you you beleive Bruce had that RIGHT, to tell McCain to stop?
COPYRIGHT Law say he can . clearly.
Do you think Bruce had a Moral Right ? Natural Right ?
No Right ?
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Ayn Rand's philosophy has been completely debunked.
Find me ONE MAJOR WELL STUDIED Philophopher who disa grees with Ms. Rand's point here :
"Patents and copyrights are the legal implementation of the base of all property rights: a man’s right to the product of his mind."
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Education does not equate to intelligence.
But you need intelligence to get a good education/
I got good grades too-- in Pol - Sci and philosophy esp.
Here is an "A" paper from an honors course :
"How Voltaire and Samuel Johnson Deal with
John Locke’s Emotional Problems."
http://tilliebaum.blogspot.com/2002/05/how-voltaire-and-samuel-johnson-deal_03.html
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John Cleese - How to Irritate People - Airplane Sketch
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Re: Re: So you believe that current copyright laws are acceptable? Wow. See everyone, this is the mentality of IP maximists.
good luck in court.
good luck in judgment.
Maybe even good luck in jail.
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Patents and copyrights are the legal implementation of the base of all property rights: a man’s right to the product of his mind.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/patents_and_copyrights.html
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problem pharmaceutical corporations
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ou were the one who moved the debate onto philosophy and were soundly smacked down by Karl
Se my answers there and elsewhere.
I like to read re-read you posted carefully . before I grade & fail them.
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Hume? Tolstoy? Okay, then.
Hume or Tolstoy.find the context. and get back to me.
( beware of my "rope-a-dope" posting strategy: to get you to hang yourself with your own words Karl, so be careful , don't hurt yourself.)
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There are many political scientists that are dubious of IP for good reason.
ME : NAME them ! And cite their works and bring their quotes.
( Lawrence Lessig works i know well , and as posted elsewhere , I cited him in my web-published paper , back in 2002:
http://technopolitical.blogspot.com/2002/09/techno-politics.html#_edn38
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Re: Re: Re: Re: You lost too many brownie points on that one...
B} "Theft" is against the law , because some people claim "theft" is their nature and we must therefor prosecute them in law and court and may put them in Jail.
C} and yes , the big one :
"Rape" is against the law , because some people claim "Raping during wartime and/or on a date after giving her drugs "--- is their nature and , we must therefor prosecute them in law and court and put them in Jail.
See the point Now ???? rape=immoral Piracy - immoral, Both are illegal. Law itself is black and white. Judges are allowed to pontificate and judicate the "shades of Grey"
Welcome to law school . first year studies
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Re: Re: Re: You lost too many brownie points on that one...
ME : Yes . Finally you got a point right
YOU : I take an apple in Wal-Mart, I'm depriving Wal-Mart of a tangible good.
ME : yes again,, WOW ,, your are hot now!!
YOU :And yet, through your argument, you're trying to tell us that this "intangible good" should have the rights of other goods. It shouldn't.
ME : WRONG .see above re: John Locke. ( too bad you were getting hot here.)
YOU : I make a copy of the Mona Lisa, have I deprived the artist?
ME : YES !!!!!! Artist control . You made a copy without permission. Artist CONTROL , is NEVER about $$$ , it is about controlling use. Allowing FAIR USE , and stopping un-fair use . Where have you been ?
YOU :There's human nature. We copy successful strategies, making them into our own.
ME : you cannot copy roight IDEAS .. // BUT , "We copy successful strategies, making them into our own: ,, i s just a nice way to say " he stole my idea" -- which while not illegal at all , does go against social norms , in the "Art world" and "Business World" . No one like have things stolen from them -- even if it just be a profitable IDEA -- which you cannot
copyright within law.
YOU : Same as with music or anything else. We copy, then form our own understanding of it.
ME : Form understanding is fine . that is the Artist sacrifice for going public-- that many will mis-understand the ARTist 's message , and warp it into their perverted worldview.
You " "We copy"
ME : You do w/o Permission , and I will sue you ,,
and Chuck Berry might beat you up. ( He has done that to other musicians -- who rip off his songs in a scoffing poor-faith-ed manner. chuck on beast up Jerry lee Lewis , when Lewis claimed that HE , not chuck was the "King of Rock n Roll")
------------------------------------
YOU :
Then we go to create new songs based off the old ones.
ME : 1] Chords you cannot copyright :
2] Melody copyright-able , but it can get messy , with only 8 notes in a scale.( My sweet lord vs. he's so fine)
3} Lyrics are always fully protected.
---------------------------------
YOU :
Decrying this copying as harmful is what is going against human nature.
ME : there is that darn "copying as harmful is what is going >>>against human nature
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Re: Re: You lost too many brownie points on that one...
ME: Equivalent in the case that BOTH are ILLEGAL. Not Judging the magnitude of the crime. Both words: "rape" and "piracy" have gone hand -in-hand thought out human history , in literature & law . Vikings were Pirates. Vikings also "Raped and pillaged" their way though northern Europe about 1200 years ago. There is nothing cool or moral about either "rape" or "Piracy".. Both are illegal and .or immoral according to ALL definitions -- legal , literary , and vernacular.
-------------------------------------
YOU :Now I know this is a joke account.
ME :Pirates claiming to be nice and mainstream is the joke.
---------------------------------------
YOU :Go for sad extremes to invoke an emotional response. Kinda sad when your logos (defined at bottom) is truly lacking.
ME : We are having a Political Debate and a Moral Debate on PIRACY and copyright law in the USA.
A issue that I feel very passionate about . More passionate against it , than you are for it. But do I curse at people , calling them foul names in my posts ?
As I mentioned elsewhere, I am ordained clergy -- an Orthodox Rabbi-- do not lecture me there.
-----------------------------------------------------
YOU : as I'll respond because now I find this humorous.
"Outlawing Rape goes against human nature , Many Men , find rape laws oppressive--"
I'm not one of those men. Furthermore, let's have some respect in a debate shall we?.
ME: THE argument I have offered here , IS pointing out that both Rape and Priacy are illegal.
BOTH RAPIST in wartime and PIRATES here at techdirt --- claim that the LAWS of men & nations against their acts of rape and piracy "goes against human nature":. It was a direct quote from another pirate poster[s].
My point was ,, if you ever studied law , or civil liberties , you would know : that wee need laws to protect civil people from uncivil people.
The nature of "uncivil" people is to break laws, for "fun" and/or "profit"-- or "passion" (i.e. they cannot control it ,, to control it is against their "nature"). The argument that "the law was against my nature" , fails in court -- no matter what the crime -- from "jaywalking" to "Murder one."
Clear ?
-----------------------------------
YOU : Rape is offensive, bar none. To disrespect a woman with it means you aren't a man. Nothing more needs to be said.
ME : Why do you think very few women post here at techdirt? Because they find you Pirates offensive.
The few woman who post here , most all are anti-Pirate.
I have made a good connection with one women here ( cyber-space -wise) -- AND if you read my posts -- you will find our conversation in recent threads --- and she has emailed me her own "professional" research against Piracy.
We have made good professional contact , now at Linkedin and Facebook , to ally in our "war with copyright pirates".
Trust me ,, no one respects women , more than me. [ I can give you several thousand references there :) --- I was a rock musician . before I was a rabbi. (( now i am both ))].
--------------------------------------
YOU :"I am sure you know a lot of folks who shoplifted their way through high school and college, Shoplifting is harmless,. So they do it."
Anecdotal at best.
ME : But accurate right ??? I know alot of folks who did.
"Shrinkage" as it is known in retail , is a major drain on our economy. Pirate = thief ---- (yes I mean that -- look up the words in any dictionary .)
--------------------------------------------
Me:Use an argument. Research it.
Me words here are well calculated. I know how to piss you guys off ,, so you get sloppy , and make inane statements that will get you laughed out , of courts , congress, and philosophy classes.
Example from you : "you're trying to tell us that this "intangible good" should have the rights of other goods. It shouldn't."
You would be laughed out of court, congress and class on that point. that is why it is called "intellectual PROPERTY" . That is why IP , is considered part of John Locke's postulations on PRIVATE PROPERTY as a natural and moral RIGHT.
This is my academic discipline. I could be your college proff here in this context. Of course you miss the boat. you never took a political philosophy course at any ttime in your academic carreer ? Just an assumption ,, but I will bet 5 cents.
If you did -- an passed it ,, you could never write:
" you're trying to tell us that this "intangible good" should have the rights of other goods. It shouldn't. "
It is a main premise to the concept of PRIVATE PROPERTY , that ARTIST and Author creation , is their PRIVATE PROPERTY to fully control.
You Pirates fall for my Socratic "rope-a-dope " every time.
I hang you with your own words.
========================================
YOU :Just stop embarrassing yourself by having no true argument. Tsk Tsk tsk...
ME : Who is embarressed now ? I feel great and proud , and academically sound inmy arguments.
How about you , "Mr. Intangible good should have the rights of other goods. It shouldn't." ( To bad it does , in law and fact since Plato at least ,, and John Locke for sure.)
===================================
YOU quoting ME : "You folks claim laws against Piracy is something "that goes against human nature." The majority of humans are not Pirates. In democracies people have elected governments that have outlawed piracy."
YOU :Causal link is not there.
ME : NOT at all !!!! It is a CAUSATIVE link.
YOU : You've yet to define how a democracy has supposedly outlawed piracy.
ME : you are about to knock yourself out .
YOU : I'll help you out though. That's how good natured I am.
YOU :Piracy -
hijacking on the high seas or in similar contexts; taking a ship or plane away from the control of those who are legally entitled to it.
ME :
piracy [ˈpaɪrəsɪ]
n pl -cies
1. (Law) Brit robbery on the seas within admiralty jurisdiction
2. (Transport / Nautical Terms) a felony, such as robbery or hijacking, committed aboard a ship or aircraft
>>>3. the unauthorized use or appropriation of patented or copyrighted material, ideas, etc.>>against human nature
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piracy [ˈpaɪrəsɪ] // noun // 3. the unauthorized use or appropriation of patented or copyrighted material, ideas, etc...
n. pl. pi·ra·cies
1.
a. Robbery committed at sea.
b. A similar act of robbery, as the hijacking of an airplane.
2. The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy.
3. The operation of an unlicensed, illegal radio or television station.
[Medieval Latin prtia, from Late Greek peirteia, from Greek peirts, pirate; see pirate.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
piracy [ˈpaɪrəsɪ]
n pl -cies
1. (Law) Brit robbery on the seas within admiralty jurisdiction
2. (Transport / Nautical Terms) a felony, such as robbery or hijacking, committed aboard a ship or aircraft
3. the unauthorized use or appropriation of patented or copyrighted material, ideas, etc.
[from Anglo-Latin pirātia, from Late Greek peirāteia; see pirate]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
piracy
the act of robbery on the high seas. See also ships. — pirate, n. — piratic, piratical, adj.
See also: Theft
-Ologies & -Isms. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
An illegal act of violence, depredation (e.g., plundering, robbing, or pillaging), or detention in or over international waters committed for private ends by the crew or passengers of a private ship or aircraft against another ship or aircraft or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft.
Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. US Department of Defense 2005.
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. piracypiracy - hijacking on the high seas or in similar contexts; taking a ship or plane away from the control of those who are legally entitled to it; "air piracy"
buccaneering
highjacking, hijacking - robbery of a traveller or vehicle in transit or seizing control of a vehicle by the use of force
2. piracy - the act of plagiarizing; taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own
plagiarisation, plagiarization, plagiarism
copyright infringement, infringement of copyright - a violation of the rights secured by a copyright
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
piracy
noun
1. robbery, stealing, theft, hijacking, infringement, buccaneering, rapine, freebooting Seven of the fishermen have been formally charged with piracy.
2. illegal copying, bootlegging, plagiarism, copyright infringement, illegal reproduction Video piracy is a criminal offence.
Collins Thesaurus of the English Language – Complete and Unabridged 2nd Edition. 2002 © HarperCollins Publishers 1995, 2002
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/piracy
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Wow, I'm finding this entertaining...
I am telling how to win.
how to outlaw copyright forever .
is not that your goal?
posting here does little -- it is not political action.
you pirates ,, have to organize,
lobby ,, run for office,,
Change the laws.
or else your words here ,
will die with you one day, :(
and the evil copyright lords will win.
--------------------------
Beat the "copyright lords" by getting laws changed in congress.
You can do it !!!
You guys have been saying
your the majority.
Pirates out number Artists.
Most world citizens are Pirates-- Right !!
That is the point I see all the time here ,
Must be true.
-------------
Point : Either Organize in the real world of politics.
and change law. Really do it.
OR
Post here @ techdirt for the rest of & just pretend
that is MENTAL masturbation.
A common phrase for a useless intellectual pursuit-- posting here.
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Now there are some among you Pirates who feel that just by spreading Piracy with massive amounts of illegal downloads , you will neuter the current copyright system into oblivion.
I doubt it. The police have guns and jails, and do not like Pirates.
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That why i see the "Pirate movement" as a zero
political threat.
Anarchists can't organize them selves into meaningful political coalitions that will actually achieve real world results.
You stand about as much chance at abolishing , or even weakening copyright laws in the USA,, as Rand Paul does getting elected President.
It Ain't gonna happen.
In political lexicon you are a: "paper tiger"
"One that is seemingly dangerous and powerful but is in fact timid and weak: "They are paper tigers, weak and indecisive" "(Frederick Forsyth).
http://www.answers.com/topic/paper-tiger
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Re: Re: Copyright infringement is a victimless crime.?????
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ME:
too bad you are not a senator
Think about it.
You try to get elected to office with what you wrote.
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Your cause can only be won by political action..
Either get elected your self , or vote in people who agree.
The other political action option is armed revolt.
Now your not that kind of Pirate Are You?
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Writing posts here at techdirt is political masturbation ..--(stole that phrase from a proff of mine in pol-sci --).
It may feel good
but it is pointless ,
and you feel guilty after.
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You really wanna have more fun in bed,,
Run for office, work for candidates ,, push your platform into the American Electorate,
See how you do.
But remember , i got the Beatles on my side.
The Bruce Springsteen too.
Where are you going to get your campaign theme songs from?
You will have to write your own.
You will need musicians and songwriters.
"You Pirates Are In a Tough Spot Politically."
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Now , over to Wolf , for latest on the Gulf Spill,---
Wolf are you there? ---
Hum , I guess we seem to be having technical problems with Wolf's remote setup.....
uhhggg ,, ( -darn @#$% geeks)
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as copyright is being used today, it's less about promoting new technologies
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I am only arguing on the point of copyright and ARTIST CONTROL. Money I do not care,
Artist control, is , who gets , how, why , when , where,,,etc, and for what cause
Bruce Springsteen telling McCain & co to quit using his songs , for the GOP political agenda in 2008.
that to me is the core example I am expounding.
Ok Jay. Do YOU think "the Boss" was within his , moral or natural rights to tell McCain, to stop-- regardless of the law?
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PATENTS ,, in bio-tech, nano-tech, drugs, and cyborgs,,
I do not know. Completely a layman there..
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Let us stick to Bruce and the Senator.
Was Bruce right? Morally ? Naturally? G-D Given ?
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