Re: Re: Re: Re: Must suck having to be honest and law abiding.I do not believe the majority of the people approve of 95 year copyright terms (or the lifetime of the artist plus 70 years)
hate is bad. Go to bed. Pray to what ever deity you may have first though.
Copyright is still a farce in the age of supercopying machines that fit in our pockets.
That is your best comeback to my points ?
Yawn, I never even have to break a sweat here at techdirt.
There is never any real challenge to debating you Pirates,, as your views are morally unsupportable, and the laws of Nations all against you.
Piracy will never die.
Just as War Crimes , Rape , and Robbery , will never die.
But we fight on. We fight on to reduce "War Crimes , Rape , and Robbery" and Piracy,
and to confine , The War Criminals , Rapists , Robbers , and Pirates in Jails.
Philosophize all you want . But unless your philosophies against Piracy translate into real world law and gov't policy, you will got to jail for Piracy.
As example : Many people Philosophize against the income tax, as it is not directly mentioned in the U.S. Constitution.
They are laughed out of court, forced to pay back taxes and often thrown in Jail.
BUT many Philosophize against war , and refuse to serve in the army , based on "conscientious objector status".
It is OK , it is encoded into law, and legiment "conscientious objectors" ( not just cowards) , do NOT HAVE to serve in the army.
If you refuse to kill under any circumstance ,, even self defense , and can prove your beliefs as genuine to the courts , you do not have to serve.
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OK , Pirates , next time you get arrested or sued,, try your moral augments for piracy in Courts of law.
Watch the Judges laugh.
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Re: Re: Music Industry Music Industry by Mike Masnick Mon, Jun 7th 2010 11:15am Share This Filed Under: lawsuits, riaa, success Companies: riaa Permalink. Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
Karl , again , your taking very tiny slivers , of philosophers , who are not taken seriously by the VAST majority of their academic peers, and who write write with an agenda , as opposed to seeking truth -- your are taking the the "tiny sliver of philosophers" and amplifying there academic writings, buy claiming they are legitimately accepted. They are not . Not by Laws and not by Courts. Not by the Majority of people.
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I used napster in 2001. It blew out the soundcard on my old 64MB PC. In 2001 ,, while there were many ,, you say 26 million nampster users worldwide,, most folks had niether the bandwith or harddrive space to be gig time pirates. Now most anyone has both the bandwith and hard drive,, and it is going to grow,
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YOU :
The first "pirate" philosopher was probably Socrates. At the time, the Sophists were charging high fees to teach ideas; Socrates shared those ideas for free. (For example, the "Socratic method" may have actually been conceived by Protagoras, a Sophist.).
Karl, again, take a philosophy course at any college. Put your sentence at the core or a paper any exam answer. You will fail . You cannot copyright "IDEAS" ( we have been through this Karl with T.J.'s letters and writings).
Karl , you are the most only the only one here , who attempts. to answer my posts , on the viewspoints that highlight and present VAST ACADEMIC MAJORITY VIEW through out human human
. You, Karl , always cite discounted philosophic theories,, that , while nice academically for fueling discussion,, are always rejected by society as a whole..
To say that: "The first "pirate" philosopher was probably Socrates. At the time, the Sophists were charging high fees to teach ideas; Socrates shared those ideas for free. ",, is such a "convoluted -pirate-pretzel-logic" , it would get you laughed out of any philosophy class.
Here is how the proff would mark it :
YOU : The first "pirate" philosopher was probably Socrates. At the time, the Sophists were charging high fees to teach ideas.
PROFF : "You cannot copyright IDEAS KARL "
YOU : Socrates shared those ideas for free.
PROFF : "Teaching for free , does not violate copyright principle. A lot of people teach guitar for free. It is neither immoral or illegal , and Eric Clapton does not mind. Artist and philosophers always exchange ideas freely, That is why to 'exchange ideas freely is an idiom of language. Karl please drop this course before the mid-term , or you will fail , unless you wake up to reality. "
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Out of curiosity Karl, what is you college degree in ?
that doesn't need LAW trying to force them to do something that goes against human nature.
"that doesn't need LAW trying to force them to do something that goes against human nature."
1] Outlawing Rape goes against human nature , Many Men , find rape laws oppressive-- even if it be just 10-20 %, that is too many. Even if it be 5 % ,, even 1%, still too many men find rape laws an oppression that goes against human nature. Date rape is STILL a big problem on any co-ed college campus. Vikings used to Rape and Pillage, w/o moral qualms. Today when the there is war , most anywhere when and /or where the local law breaks down ,, men rape with impunity.
2] I am sure you know a lot of folks who shoplifted their way through high school and college, Many think if it is less that say,, $10 in worth , and the store is a big billion $$ Wal-Mart ,, shoplifting is harmless,. So they do it .
3} You folks claim laws against Piracy is something "that goes against human nature." The majority of humans are not Pirates. In democracies people have elected governments that have outlawed piracy.
4] Laws are designed and governments formed:
to protect the "majority of peaceful people" from the criminal "minority of people" who claim that the laws , of Rape , Shoplifting and Piracy go "against human nature."
and the war is a complete failure, yet is far more justifiable in the eyes of most than the war on piracy. If you can't control the drug war with all this money I just don't see how you can control the war on piracy.
There all serious political theorist and political theory , that is against drug laws , as victimless crime.
Many civil libertarians -- left and right , and even some in courts and congress , do favor a drastic liberalization of the "drug war".
Heck , the President used to smoke pot ,, and did coke as a youth.
It would NOT take amending the Constitution to legalize Pot.
It would take an amendment to the Constitution to abolish copyright.
ME :I am in the mainstream , of the real world. Again Find me any sitting federal Judge OR congress -person who favors looser copyright laws as they currently cover artists and musicians.
YOU : drivel is simply not needed.
Right and wrong.
You see the Pirate cause is politically hopeless.
You might as well be advocating legalizing 8-year-olds to vote. Only a Constitutional amendment could do that.
Possible , but very, very unlikely.
To kill off copyright you would have to remove Copyright from the U.S. Constitution with an amendment.
Good luck ,, but it ain't going to happen.
YOU :
Your crying from inside the box and we are on the outside laughing at your inability to think critically"
ANS:
Fools tend to laugh the loudest.
Trust me , I have been thinking critically and involved politically for decades now.
I have political friends from "Anarchy Loving Squatters" all the way to "Palin Tea Party types".
I know I have studied academically , and worked politically in politics most all my life.
My degree is in Pol-Sci, (2001)
and my old boss is named Ralph Nader. ( 1983-1986 / 92-95)
I was pushing things like recycling in the 1980s
when it was still a very weird thing to do.
Now recycling is LAW and CULTURE .
To tell me I do not know how to think outside the box.
says more about your shallowness of perception, than it does my words.
The words and opinions , I write here , have been tested academically often. I always do well there. You cannot get a degree in political science, without understanding all theories and all sides to all arguments.
One sided dogmas is not what Political Science is about.
Clearly though I am an advocate for a belief. So is Mike . So are you.
I believe Copyright is good. And needs to get better. That is also political reality. !00% of Federal Judges ,, and 100% of Congress support it . ( Name any who do not if you can.)
Advocating to allow 12-year-olds the right to vote, stands more political chance than taking copyright out of the Constitution and American legal system.
If you do not accept that you are blinded by YOUR DOGMA.
Most likely it being an anarchist philosophy.
I got a lot of anarchist friends.
I have certain sympathies there.
( esp in grammar ans phonetic spelling !!!) ,
, but I feel that as long as evil exists in this world ,
Anarchy as a political system , is far from feasible.
People do crime. BP spills oil. You need Government.
Our Government , is the chief advocate and protector of copyright law. We elect our government. Government is bound to ENFORCE the constitutional right to copyright.
The Constitution is all we need, and the courts can do the rest.
The laws may need some "digital- realization" to focus on the future better , ,, but congress , and international lawyers and diplomats are doing that everyday-- fighting to strengthen Copyright against illegal Piracy.
The theft of service , Art , or Goods,, w/o permission of the Rights Holders.
This ain't gonna change.
Lobby and organize all you want ,, but without Pirate-political -power,, Pirates will forever be at war with the Government , on land , on sea and online , and they will be prosecuted and sued in court.
If you view Piracy as a legitiment form of civil disobedience ,, well you are wrong.
Civil disobedience is passive ,, it does not consume $$$ to gain wealth buy stealing.
Shoplifting is not civil disobedience.
Subway fare beating is not civil disobedience
Piracy is not civil disobedience.
Civil right marchers were not in it for the $$ ,, to get something for nothing.
It was about "civil human rights".
Piracy advocates taking away control from me of my ART.
I got the government , congress , and the courts , wholly on my side.
Don't you see that reality? Why can't you accept it.
((( Yes slavery was in the constitution at first , and it took a war to remove it.)))
Are Pirates really ready to take up arms to remove copyright form the Constitution ? Do you see any political reality in that premise ?
Do you see yourself making bombs to fight for your "natural right" to download the Beatles remastered CD w/o paying for them ?
That will be the only way.
The U.S. Congress is not gonna weaken the Copyright Laws, nor remove copyright from the constitution
That is not opinion, that is the Reality of Political fact and law and principle.
Re: Re: Must suck having to be honest and law abiding.I do not believe the majority of the people approve of 95 year copyright terms (or the lifetime of the artist plus 70 years)
"I do not believe the majority of the people approve of 95 year copyright terms (or the lifetime of the artist plus 70 years)"
ME :
1] Commission a "Harris poll" of the electorate. Only way to know ,,
except we do elect our congress ,, and 100% of them like current copyright law _- ( i.e, but not always Patent , esp bio-tech)
2] I would be curious as to a VERY unscientific poll of techdirt READERS ,, not just posters , on this topic.
Mike sometime has those reader polls up on the front page.
Go for it Mike.
I am curious, how a slightly fuller slice of the techdirt READERSHIP,, feel as about his point: "I do not believe the majority of the people approve of 95 year copyright terms (or the lifetime of the artist plus 70 years)"
Why not try a poll ?
Now I would say , most posters , hate copyright with exteme passion ( The Pirates).
There are only 7-10 individual regular poster , who are the "good guys" ,
, er-- who reflect my "self-righteous viewpoint" ,
, er,, "who see it my way";
OR ,, who just do not think I am plain nuts.
Again only 7-10 here posting on my side of the aisle.
But I bet -- 5 cents cash --that among Techdirt READERS,
the "Silent Majority" * will side with me 55%-45% or more.
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* Oh my mercy me ! With the phrase "Silent Majority",, I am quoting Richard Nixon !! I never though it would come to this.
I need a break.
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I am going to smoke a cigg
Re: Re: Learn proper writing skills and maybe some of us could understand you. Otherwise, take up poetry, and learn Haiku. It seems to suit you.quite quick, came Internet, that went and turned a law into a farce." - The Pirate Poet
Show me the democracy in intellectual property law!
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[We all know ]the fact that America is not a pure Democracy. The American citizen body has no formal constitutional role in the formation of federal law and policy. Rather the United States of America is a Democratic Republic, where the American body politic elects our legislatures and executives to enact laws and make national policy decisions in a slow (and hopefully) deliberative fashion. [116]
Unlike several European countries ---(This past March 2002 in Switzerland for example, voters approved a national referendum to join the United Nations.[117])---- there is no process for direct voter involvement beyond the election of public officials on the national level. On the state and local level, however, there does exist initiative and referendum (I & R), with 27 states having such provision.[118]
I & R takes on several forms with each state determining its particulars of procedure, but they can be broken down into the following basic categories: [119]
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Re: RE:" I'll refer you to the lawyer/copyleftist Lawrence Lessig"
Whhops the bottom of note [38] got cut .
Here is the full footnote:
[38] Jesdanun, Anick . ASSOCIATED PRESS: BOOK REVIEW, ++ “The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World,” by Lawrence Lessig,++ (Published by Random House.) The next threat to the Internet : Legal scholar warns of challenges to innovation. January 8, 2002.
”In his new book, Lawrence Lessig warns of threats to innovation as the Internet becomes increasingly controlled by businesses, the technology they develop and the laws they push. In his 1999 book, “Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace,” Lessig warns of threats to free speech and privacy as the Internet becomes increasingly controlled by businesses, the technology they develop and the laws they push. “The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World,” published by Random House, is in many respects a sequel: Lessig argues that innovation is under threat by those same efforts. One tendency Lessig worries about is the development of software techniques that would let Internet service providers prioritize — and perhaps charge more for — certain traffic over others.”
ME [2002]: "There are also those who assert that Democracy will loose out ---and is loosing out--- to the Globalization of the Government and Corporate Techno-Powers.[37] Seeing the distribution of academic and political information, news and views on the Web as dominated by a few mega-corporations[38] some believe the question political-science students will be asked on exams is: “Why and how has the Internet changed democracy for the worst?”
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notes:
[36] The issues of Techno-Politics, Electronic-Government and Cyber-Politics are as diverse as the countries they occur in. Each government and people on this planet use the Internet for political means. As the laws of government differ from country to country, the sphere of Techno-Cyber-Politics is unique to each. Please do bear in mind that how Americans use the Internet is by no means a clear indicator of how the Internet is being use politically in other Democracies and Dictatorships.
[37] Clarke, Roger: Freedom of Information? The Internet as Harbinger of the New Dark Ages
“ There's a common presumption that the Internet has brought with it the promise of openness, democracy, the end of inequities in the distribution of information, and human self-fulfillment. Any such conclusion would be premature. The digital era has amused and beguiled us all. Its first-order impacts are being assimilated, but its second-order implications are not. Powerful institutions perceive their interests to be severely threatened by the last decade of technological change and by the shape of the emergent 'information economy'. Elements of their fight back are identified, particularly extensions to legal protectionism, and the active development and application of technologies that protect data from prying eyes. Many of the features that have ensured a progressive balance between data protection and freedom of access to data have already been seriously eroded. The new balance that emerges from the current period of turmoil may be far less friendly to public access and more like a New Dark Ages.”
[38] Jesdanun, Anick . ASSOCIATED PRESS: BOOK REVIEW, +++++“The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World,” by Lawrence Lessig,++++++ (Published by Random House.) The next threat to the Internet : Legal scholar warns of challenges to innovation. January 8, 2002.
That's why the Pirate party is gaining tremendous success all throughout the world despite being blacklisted from mainstream media, even the U.S. pirate party is starting to pick up.
That's why the Pirate party is gaining ++++
+++ really ? We are winning in the courts ++++
tremendous success +++++ numbers and stats please !!!!
all throughout the world +++++++ weak. ++
+++despite being blacklisted from mainstream media,+++++++
++ techdirt is mainstream media . Right MIKE ? ++++++
even the U.S. pirate party is starting to pick up.+++
++++ again stats please,, but there are all kind of nut parties out there. "Far Left" to "Far Right".+++++++
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I ain't talking about a game I do not know.
I was working professional in the Green & Consumer movement
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Re: There are 2 famous political figures OUT OF HUNdreds of thousands of elected officials
There are still a few Nazis too. They got political parties also.
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The U.S. growth was fantastic when they didn't care much about IP laws
U.S. laws have always support copyright . the purpose to of Copyright and Patent law is to PROMOTE economic growth.
Always has been , Always will be.
( Do I really have to cite T.J. and Madison again ?)
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I'm proud to say I'm a pirate, I have no shame, feel no guilt about it and couldn't care less what others say.
Or :
I'm proud to say I'm a RAPIST , I have no shame, feel no guilt about it and couldn't care less what others say.
or :
I'm proud to say I'm a SHOPLIFTER, I have no shame, feel no guilt about it and couldn't care less what others say.
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Give it up Pirates.
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Re: Re: Constitutional expert TP at your service
try your "thesis" on the final paper. you will fail the class/
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Re: Re: TP strikes again, time to call the cleanup crew
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Must suck having to be honest and law abiding.I do not believe the majority of the people approve of 95 year copyright terms (or the lifetime of the artist plus 70 years)
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Anonymous Cowards and " Must suck having to be honest and law abiding."
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Copyright is still a farce in the age of supercopying machines that fit in our pockets.
Yawn, I never even have to break a sweat here at techdirt.
There is never any real challenge to debating you Pirates,, as your views are morally unsupportable, and the laws of Nations all against you.
Piracy will never die.
Just as War Crimes , Rape , and Robbery , will never die.
But we fight on. We fight on to reduce "War Crimes , Rape , and Robbery" and Piracy,
and to confine , The War Criminals , Rapists , Robbers , and Pirates in Jails.
Philosophize all you want . But unless your philosophies against Piracy translate into real world law and gov't policy, you will got to jail for Piracy.
As example : Many people Philosophize against the income tax, as it is not directly mentioned in the U.S. Constitution.
They are laughed out of court, forced to pay back taxes and often thrown in Jail.
BUT many Philosophize against war , and refuse to serve in the army , based on "conscientious objector status".
It is OK , it is encoded into law, and legiment "conscientious objectors" ( not just cowards) , do NOT HAVE to serve in the army.
If you refuse to kill under any circumstance ,, even self defense , and can prove your beliefs as genuine to the courts , you do not have to serve.
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OK , Pirates , next time you get arrested or sued,, try your moral augments for piracy in Courts of law.
Watch the Judges laugh.
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Re: Re: Music Industry Music Industry by Mike Masnick Mon, Jun 7th 2010 11:15am Share This Filed Under: lawsuits, riaa, success Companies: riaa Permalink. Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
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I used napster in 2001. It blew out the soundcard on my old 64MB PC. In 2001 ,, while there were many ,, you say 26 million nampster users worldwide,, most folks had niether the bandwith or harddrive space to be gig time pirates. Now most anyone has both the bandwith and hard drive,, and it is going to grow,
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YOU :
The first "pirate" philosopher was probably Socrates. At the time, the Sophists were charging high fees to teach ideas; Socrates shared those ideas for free. (For example, the "Socratic method" may have actually been conceived by Protagoras, a Sophist.).
Karl, again, take a philosophy course at any college. Put your sentence at the core or a paper any exam answer. You will fail . You cannot copyright "IDEAS" ( we have been through this Karl with T.J.'s letters and writings).
Karl , you are the most only the only one here , who attempts. to answer my posts , on the viewspoints that highlight and present VAST ACADEMIC MAJORITY VIEW through out human human
. You, Karl , always cite discounted philosophic theories,, that , while nice academically for fueling discussion,, are always rejected by society as a whole..
To say that: "The first "pirate" philosopher was probably Socrates. At the time, the Sophists were charging high fees to teach ideas; Socrates shared those ideas for free. ",, is such a "convoluted -pirate-pretzel-logic" , it would get you laughed out of any philosophy class.
Here is how the proff would mark it :
YOU : The first "pirate" philosopher was probably Socrates. At the time, the Sophists were charging high fees to teach ideas.
PROFF : "You cannot copyright IDEAS KARL "
YOU : Socrates shared those ideas for free.
PROFF : "Teaching for free , does not violate copyright principle. A lot of people teach guitar for free. It is neither immoral or illegal , and Eric Clapton does not mind. Artist and philosophers always exchange ideas freely, That is why to 'exchange ideas freely is an idiom of language. Karl please drop this course before the mid-term , or you will fail , unless you wake up to reality. "
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Out of curiosity Karl, what is you college degree in ?
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that doesn't need LAW trying to force them to do something that goes against human nature.
1] Outlawing Rape goes against human nature , Many Men , find rape laws oppressive-- even if it be just 10-20 %, that is too many. Even if it be 5 % ,, even 1%, still too many men find rape laws an oppression that goes against human nature. Date rape is STILL a big problem on any co-ed college campus. Vikings used to Rape and Pillage, w/o moral qualms. Today when the there is war , most anywhere when and /or where the local law breaks down ,, men rape with impunity.
2] I am sure you know a lot of folks who shoplifted their way through high school and college, Many think if it is less that say,, $10 in worth , and the store is a big billion $$ Wal-Mart ,, shoplifting is harmless,. So they do it .
3} You folks claim laws against Piracy is something "that goes against human nature." The majority of humans are not Pirates. In democracies people have elected governments that have outlawed piracy.
4] Laws are designed and governments formed:
to protect the "majority of peaceful people" from the criminal "minority of people" who claim that the laws , of Rape , Shoplifting and Piracy go "against human nature."
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and the war is a complete failure, yet is far more justifiable in the eyes of most than the war on piracy. If you can't control the drug war with all this money I just don't see how you can control the war on piracy.
Many civil libertarians -- left and right , and even some in courts and congress , do favor a drastic liberalization of the "drug war".
Heck , the President used to smoke pot ,, and did coke as a youth.
It would NOT take amending the Constitution to legalize Pot.
It would take an amendment to the Constitution to abolish copyright.
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Re: Re: Beating a dead horse specialist TP
ME :I am in the mainstream , of the real world. Again Find me any sitting federal Judge OR congress -person who favors looser copyright laws as they currently cover artists and musicians.
YOU : drivel is simply not needed.
Right and wrong.
You see the Pirate cause is politically hopeless.
You might as well be advocating legalizing 8-year-olds to vote. Only a Constitutional amendment could do that.
Possible , but very, very unlikely.
To kill off copyright you would have to remove Copyright from the U.S. Constitution with an amendment.
Good luck ,, but it ain't going to happen.
YOU :
Your crying from inside the box and we are on the outside laughing at your inability to think critically"
ANS:
Fools tend to laugh the loudest.
Trust me , I have been thinking critically and involved politically for decades now.
I have political friends from "Anarchy Loving Squatters" all the way to "Palin Tea Party types".
I know I have studied academically , and worked politically in politics most all my life.
My degree is in Pol-Sci, (2001)
and my old boss is named Ralph Nader. ( 1983-1986 / 92-95)
I was pushing things like recycling in the 1980s
when it was still a very weird thing to do.
Now recycling is LAW and CULTURE .
To tell me I do not know how to think outside the box.
says more about your shallowness of perception, than it does my words.
The words and opinions , I write here , have been tested academically often. I always do well there. You cannot get a degree in political science, without understanding all theories and all sides to all arguments.
One sided dogmas is not what Political Science is about.
Clearly though I am an advocate for a belief. So is Mike . So are you.
I believe Copyright is good. And needs to get better. That is also political reality. !00% of Federal Judges ,, and 100% of Congress support it . ( Name any who do not if you can.)
Advocating to allow 12-year-olds the right to vote, stands more political chance than taking copyright out of the Constitution and American legal system.
If you do not accept that you are blinded by YOUR DOGMA.
Most likely it being an anarchist philosophy.
I got a lot of anarchist friends.
I have certain sympathies there.
( esp in grammar ans phonetic spelling !!!) ,
, but I feel that as long as evil exists in this world ,
Anarchy as a political system , is far from feasible.
People do crime. BP spills oil. You need Government.
Our Government , is the chief advocate and protector of copyright law. We elect our government. Government is bound to ENFORCE the constitutional right to copyright.
The Constitution is all we need, and the courts can do the rest.
The laws may need some "digital- realization" to focus on the future better , ,, but congress , and international lawyers and diplomats are doing that everyday-- fighting to strengthen Copyright against illegal Piracy.
The theft of service , Art , or Goods,, w/o permission of the Rights Holders.
This ain't gonna change.
Lobby and organize all you want ,, but without Pirate-political -power,, Pirates will forever be at war with the Government , on land , on sea and online , and they will be prosecuted and sued in court.
If you view Piracy as a legitiment form of civil disobedience ,, well you are wrong.
Civil disobedience is passive ,, it does not consume $$$ to gain wealth buy stealing.
Shoplifting is not civil disobedience.
Subway fare beating is not civil disobedience
Piracy is not civil disobedience.
Civil right marchers were not in it for the $$ ,, to get something for nothing.
It was about "civil human rights".
Piracy advocates taking away control from me of my ART.
I got the government , congress , and the courts , wholly on my side.
Don't you see that reality? Why can't you accept it.
((( Yes slavery was in the constitution at first , and it took a war to remove it.)))
Are Pirates really ready to take up arms to remove copyright form the Constitution ? Do you see any political reality in that premise ?
Do you see yourself making bombs to fight for your "natural right" to download the Beatles remastered CD w/o paying for them ?
That will be the only way.
The U.S. Congress is not gonna weaken the Copyright Laws, nor remove copyright from the constitution
That is not opinion, that is the Reality of Political fact and law and principle.
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Re: Re: Must suck having to be honest and law abiding.I do not believe the majority of the people approve of 95 year copyright terms (or the lifetime of the artist plus 70 years)
ME :
1] Commission a "Harris poll" of the electorate. Only way to know ,,
except we do elect our congress ,, and 100% of them like current copyright law _- ( i.e, but not always Patent , esp bio-tech)
2] I would be curious as to a VERY unscientific poll of techdirt READERS ,, not just posters , on this topic.
Mike sometime has those reader polls up on the front page.
Go for it Mike.
I am curious, how a slightly fuller slice of the techdirt READERSHIP,, feel as about his point: "I do not believe the majority of the people approve of 95 year copyright terms (or the lifetime of the artist plus 70 years)"
Why not try a poll ?
Now I would say , most posters , hate copyright with exteme passion ( The Pirates).
There are only 7-10 individual regular poster , who are the "good guys" ,
, er-- who reflect my "self-righteous viewpoint" ,
, er,, "who see it my way";
OR ,, who just do not think I am plain nuts.
Again only 7-10 here posting on my side of the aisle.
But I bet -- 5 cents cash --that among Techdirt READERS,
the "Silent Majority" * will side with me 55%-45% or more.
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* Oh my mercy me ! With the phrase "Silent Majority",, I am quoting Richard Nixon !! I never though it would come to this.
I need a break.
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I am going to smoke a cigg
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Re: Re: Learn proper writing skills and maybe some of us could understand you. Otherwise, take up poetry, and learn Haiku. It seems to suit you.quite quick, came Internet, that went and turned a law into a farce." - The Pirate Poet
But poems do spurn Ideas.
Some Good . Some Bad.
The future will tell.
The answer is blowing in the winds of cyberspace.
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Show me the democracy in intellectual property law!
[We all know ]the fact that America is not a pure Democracy. The American citizen body has no formal constitutional role in the formation of federal law and policy. Rather the United States of America is a Democratic Republic, where the American body politic elects our legislatures and executives to enact laws and make national policy decisions in a slow (and hopefully) deliberative fashion. [116]
Unlike several European countries ---(This past March 2002 in Switzerland for example, voters approved a national referendum to join the United Nations.[117])---- there is no process for direct voter involvement beyond the election of public officials on the national level. On the state and local level, however, there does exist initiative and referendum (I & R), with 27 states having such provision.[118]
I & R takes on several forms with each state determining its particulars of procedure, but they can be broken down into the following basic categories: [119]
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See footnotes @
http://technopolitical.blogspot.com/2002/09/techno-politics.html#_ednref118
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Re: RE:" I'll refer you to the lawyer/copyleftist Lawrence Lessig"
Here is the full footnote:
[38] Jesdanun, Anick . ASSOCIATED PRESS: BOOK REVIEW, ++ “The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World,” by Lawrence Lessig,++ (Published by Random House.) The next threat to the Internet : Legal scholar warns of challenges to innovation. January 8, 2002.
[Accessed Jan 7 2002 @ http://www.msnbc.com/news/681181.asp?0na=x2236140- Link inactive].
Last Accessed August 19, 2002 @ http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/tue/computers/news_1u8lessig.html
”In his new book, Lawrence Lessig warns of threats to innovation as the Internet becomes increasingly controlled by businesses, the technology they develop and the laws they push. In his 1999 book, “Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace,” Lessig warns of threats to free speech and privacy as the Internet becomes increasingly controlled by businesses, the technology they develop and the laws they push. “The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World,” published by Random House, is in many respects a sequel: Lessig argues that innovation is under threat by those same efforts. One tendency Lessig worries about is the development of software techniques that would let Internet service providers prioritize — and perhaps charge more for — certain traffic over others.”
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
RE:" I'll refer you to the lawyer/copyleftist Lawrence Lessig"
ME ::
An excerpt from my 2002 study "Techno-politics: The Internet and Political Activism"
http://technopolitical.blogspot.com/2002/09/techno-politics.html#_edn38
ME [2002]: "There are also those who assert that Democracy will loose out ---and is loosing out--- to the Globalization of the Government and Corporate Techno-Powers.[37] Seeing the distribution of academic and political information, news and views on the Web as dominated by a few mega-corporations[38] some believe the question political-science students will be asked on exams is: “Why and how has the Internet changed democracy for the worst?”
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notes:
[36] The issues of Techno-Politics, Electronic-Government and Cyber-Politics are as diverse as the countries they occur in. Each government and people on this planet use the Internet for political means. As the laws of government differ from country to country, the sphere of Techno-Cyber-Politics is unique to each. Please do bear in mind that how Americans use the Internet is by no means a clear indicator of how the Internet is being use politically in other Democracies and Dictatorships.
[37] Clarke, Roger: Freedom of Information? The Internet as Harbinger of the New Dark Ages
www.FirstMonday.org: Peer-Reviewed Journal of the Internet,
volume 4, number 11 (November 1999),
Available @ http://firstmonday.org/issues/issue4_11/clarke/index.html
Last accessed June 25 2002
A quote from the article:
“ There's a common presumption that the Internet has brought with it the promise of openness, democracy, the end of inequities in the distribution of information, and human self-fulfillment. Any such conclusion would be premature. The digital era has amused and beguiled us all. Its first-order impacts are being assimilated, but its second-order implications are not. Powerful institutions perceive their interests to be severely threatened by the last decade of technological change and by the shape of the emergent 'information economy'. Elements of their fight back are identified, particularly extensions to legal protectionism, and the active development and application of technologies that protect data from prying eyes. Many of the features that have ensured a progressive balance between data protection and freedom of access to data have already been seriously eroded. The new balance that emerges from the current period of turmoil may be far less friendly to public access and more like a New Dark Ages.”
[38] Jesdanun, Anick . ASSOCIATED PRESS: BOOK REVIEW, +++++“The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World,” by Lawrence Lessig,++++++ (Published by Random House.) The next threat to the Internet : Legal scholar warns of challenges to innovation. January 8, 2002.
[Accessed Jan 7 2002 @ http://www.msnbc.com/news/681181.asp?0na=x2236140- Link inactive].
Last Accessed August 19, 2002 @ http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/tue/computers/news_1u8lessig.html
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That's why the Pirate party is gaining tremendous success all throughout the world despite being blacklisted from mainstream media, even the U.S. pirate party is starting to pick up.
+++ really ? We are winning in the courts ++++
tremendous success +++++ numbers and stats please !!!!
all throughout the world +++++++ weak. ++
+++despite being blacklisted from mainstream media,+++++++
++ techdirt is mainstream media . Right MIKE ? ++++++
even the U.S. pirate party is starting to pick up.+++
++++ again stats please,, but there are all kind of nut parties out there. "Far Left" to "Far Right".+++++++
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I ain't talking about a game I do not know.
I was working professional in the Green & Consumer movement
way back in the 1980s when
"recycling" was a very weird thing to do.
Now it is LAW.
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So bring it on Pirates.
You are up against me.
You will loose.
Copyright will win.
On the post: How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works
With rule utility, one measures the net utility by making something a rule. Using this one can argue that copyrights and patents are wrong.
WRONG ! it is PIRATE LOGIC.
There is a principle that saves us.
It is embedded in the
U.S. Constitution.
It is in the Federalist papers
John Locke to Ayn Rand write about it.
Iti is the moral importance of IP
and copyright protection
as part of a moral society,
Find ONE major , well studied , political philosopher who says
"ABOLISH COPYRIGHT LAWS".
there is none !!
Zilch ,
nadda ,
Zero.
The Laws are going to, and
constitutionally have have to,
change for the better to strengthen Copyrights..
If we do not do well in Congress
in getting good laws for Artist written .
We got the Courts sown up.
The copyright clause of the Constitution is all we need.
On the post: Defining Success: Were The RIAA's Lawsuits A Success Or Not?
Learn proper writing skills and maybe some of us could understand you. Otherwise, take up poetry, and learn Haiku. It seems to suit you.
I figured i write a free stream
Kindergarten Poem
about copy right
law.
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