Re: Re: Re: "How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works"
Richard , the man who falsely claimed a PhD. in physics to me.
Which you still have not provided proof of to any academic satisfaction ,,
-- i.e. pretend you where applying got a job with me , you would have to provide lock-solid proof w/references of your academic background, I deal with is often , in my life and work -- checking references_
Rich , i will not answer any comments by you ,, you are more than intellectually dishonest -- you are just dishonest.
Please do me a favor and do not reply to my posts , until you proof to me your academic credentials -- which you cannot ,,,, because there are none.
Re: Re: It amazes me that someone can have so much trouble understanding these concepts
It amazes me, Mike that someone -- YOU -- can have so much trouble understanding these concepts of copyright law , that we ALL learned in elementary school
Re: "How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works"
p.s.:
1] Sorry for the mis-spells
2} Mike you continually cite arguments, & sources here on copyright that that are so far outside the mainstream, that you should be ashamed.
You cite intellectually dishonest people,
to support your intellectually dishonest views on copyrights.
3} Patent Law is a different animal. you actually do raise interesting points on that topic. Me not being , even remotely an expert on Patent law, withhold comments there.
4) As a musician and artist , and writer , Copyright law , I know well , as it is part of my job to know it.
"How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works"
Thank you again Mike for again ansering my points pointed elsewhere at techdirt , in you own posts.
I am honored you read my post so carefully.
To bad you do not have the courage to reply to me diractly.
Your open premise here : "How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works"is grotesque "Pirate Logic" ( ie, "Pretzel Logic" , a well known phrase that Steely Dan borrowed , and do not invent.)
it is like a street runner telling you which door to knock to get crack. they are involved in the transaction. I believe that's completely legal, and it is a completely different situation.
Q:: it is like a street runner telling you which door to knock to get crack. they are involved in the transaction.
YOUR ANS : I believe that's completely legal, and it is a completely different situation.
MY ANS and the Law's ANS:
It is illegal. It is called "aiding and abetting" or "pimping" in street talk.
The more you Pirates post. the more you arguments close in on you , and crush your viewpoints based on your Pirate Logic legal falsehoods
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"Like it or not, fans sharing music with other fans is also part of musician culture."
ME : Unless your a Grateful Dead Head, where the dead allowed taping and trading of live show tapes,,
" fans sharing music" -- illegally and out side or copyright law--- "with other fans is also part of musician culture" ,, but it is wrong and artists want it topped when we loose control of the situation.
So does Congress, So say the Courts.
----------------------
"Now, this theft may be a necessary evil. If that theft grows the amount of works available to the culture, then according to the Constitution, the benefits to the culture outweigh the costs."
ME : Karl that is the dumbest think you have written yet , and goes against all law and reason. Please take a civil liberties class and make that point on your final paper as your class thesis .
You will fail the class.
---------------------
"This is the fourth step to understanding copyright: it harms natural rights, and should tolerated only if it produces a greater good to society.
So, the question is: Is copyright's cultural theft outweighed by the cultural benefit of growing the public domain? If not, the laws should be changed.
Hopefully you understand now. You probably should have looked all this up before debating here."
ME ::
Karl Pirate Logic at the worst. This thread is dead . Karl,, see you in the next one --- if them
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"Pretzel logic of relativism. Freedom of speech, democracy and the rule of law are beneficial to all societies."
it is like a street runner telling you which door to knock to get crack. they are involved in the transaction. I believe that's completely legal, and it is a completely different situation.
an AC :
" it is like a street runner telling you which door to knock to get crack. they are involved in the transaction."
YOU : I believe that's completely legal, and it is a completely different situation.
ME : WRONG it is not legal. It is aiding and abetting , and if it is for the sale of Crack ,, or pimping prostitution ,, you got to jail.
Again my point : Leave legal commentary to people trained in law !!
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Re: in a digital world, actively seeking out illegal downloads and pointing to them has nearly the same net effect as hosting them. think of it another way, it is a simple criminal conspiracy:
"in a digital world, actively seeking out illegal downloads and pointing to them has nearly the same net effect as hosting them. think of it another way, it is a simple criminal conspiracy:"
So long and thank someone for all the fish soup. Re: Re: Re: It's still amazing that any court thinks that just publishing links to something should be illegal,
Either way , I have no idea what your point is here, in relation to my post.
Well now that you mention it .... it ain't a bad idea.
As the saying goes in Art : "nobody likes a critic."
And as a mater of fact in "Formal Literary review", like the NYTimes . book section , and the NY Review of Books , (- two very stuffy , nose in the air publications if you ask me **),
most articles of review, the majority even ,, ARE written by other professional writers,, other novelists ,, not just journalists.
( *** http://www.nybooks.com/)
-----
As well with music ,, this is also often true. Musicians nowadays are often the ones hired to write reviews of music,
Related to this,,
this is why Bob Dylan , Tom Petty , and other musicians , have now their own satellite radio DJ programs.
Because many folks , do not like non-Artist as .critics,
and satellite radio , gives Dylan and Petty a chance to present the music from a Musicians viewpoint.
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"If only lawyers can comment on the law ,,then only artists should comment on the arts. "
Intelligent comments on law , come for people educated in law.
Real Wold comments on law are call COURTS.
Courts , critic laws. Their critic is real-world impact.
Everyone's non-legal minded comments here about law is meaningless in that context.
====================
Main Entry: crit·ic
Pronunciation: \ˈkri-tik\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin criticus, from Greek kritikos, from kritikos able to discern or judge, from krinein
Date: 1588
1 a : one who expresses a reasoned opinion on any matter especially involving a judgment of its value, truth, righteousness, beauty, or technique
b : one who engages often professionally in the analysis, evaluation, or appreciation of works of art or artistic performances
2 : one given to harsh or captious judgment
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Lobbyist for the most are Lawyers.
So yes, "only lawyers can comment on the law" , in the formation of public policy in legislative is mostly true.
In the Courts . legal decisions _- the only commentary that really counts !!!- are written , by Judges.
Judges are lawyers.
-------------------------
So yes : Being ONLY lawyers comment 'Formally" and "Realistically" with real world effect on the law.....
.... then only artists should have FORMAL comment on the arts.
A lot of people DO feel this way.
And remember paid Critics are 1] professional writers and/or 2] professional broadcast journalists.
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Re: Re: Copyright is there to grow the public domain. It does this by temporarily giving authors the exclusive right to the profits made from publishing, as an incentive to produce more works.
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I have always said and admitted the my Beatles cover at my space was a blatant & technical & illegal "violation of copyright law."
It was VERY intentional.
Please Paul ,, Sue. me.
Musician culture.
As I have posted about 2Ox before before.
As Mike posted in the AP Barack Obama Photo and Art Post
"Mannie Garcia, even talked about how cool it was, and didn't seem upset by the issue at all, saying he hoped he might get a "signed litho" from Fairey. "
Artist culture , the original artist of the photo
had no thought all to sure the infringer .
Artist culture.
--------------------------------
While Locke and co.
company do not write laws,
the laws are based on their writings.
Again political theory is my academic discipline
I am good at it and respected.
Even todsy as you mention Karl,
Lock and co, are discussed by SCOTUS often.
The meaning of JUST THE COMMA placement in the 2nd amendment on guns was at the forefront the the latest. SCOTUS decicion in guns rights.
The writings of Madison , Jefferson and the gang -- call the Federalist Papers -- are still at the core of our democratic functions and institutions.
These writings , as well as pure philosophers like Locke and Rand -- as they were not politicians like T.J. & co -- also play a major role in the debates on public law and policies,
Ladies and Gentleman Mr. Robert Dahl,
Robert Alan Dahl (born 17 December 1915), is the Sterling Professor emeritus of political science at Yale University, where he earned his Ph.D. in political science in 1940.[1]
He is past president of the American Political Science Association and one of the most distinguished political scientists writing today.
Dahl has often been described as "the Dean" of American political scientists.
He earned this title by his prolific writing output and the fact that scores of prominent political scientists studied under him." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Dahl
Dahl's major work :
"Democracy and Its Critics"
"In the book, Dahl "examines the most basic assumptions of democratic theory, tests them against the questions raised by its critics, and recasts the theory of democracy into a new and coherent whole.
He concludes by discussing the directions in which democracy must move if advanced democratic states are to exist in the future."
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Re: Yes, star trek utopia - where's the synthathol ?
Good writing too!!
Wow !! really Great, points Darryl,
, you Pirates should read it 10x , print it out , sleep with it under your pillow . Maybe you will adsorb some wisdom
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Re: A detailed review of the book
1 hope you are well.
Your comments here are always great.
Thank you for all the articles you sent -- they did help to sharpen my posts here .
Keep in touch as needed.
Best
TP
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Re: Re: Re: "How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works"
Which you still have not provided proof of to any academic satisfaction ,,
-- i.e. pretend you where applying got a job with me , you would have to provide lock-solid proof w/references of your academic background, I deal with is often , in my life and work -- checking references_
Rich , i will not answer any comments by you ,, you are more than intellectually dishonest -- you are just dishonest.
Please do me a favor and do not reply to my posts , until you proof to me your academic credentials -- which you cannot ,,,, because there are none.
Get a life Rich.
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Re: Re: It amazes me that someone can have so much trouble understanding these concepts
On the post: How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works
Re: "How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works"
1] Sorry for the mis-spells
2} Mike you continually cite arguments, & sources here on copyright that that are so far outside the mainstream, that you should be ashamed.
You cite intellectually dishonest people,
to support your intellectually dishonest views on copyrights.
3} Patent Law is a different animal. you actually do raise interesting points on that topic. Me not being , even remotely an expert on Patent law, withhold comments there.
4) As a musician and artist , and writer , Copyright law , I know well , as it is part of my job to know it.
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"How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works"
I am honored you read my post so carefully.
To bad you do not have the courage to reply to me diractly.
Your open premise here : "How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works"is grotesque "Pirate Logic" ( ie, "Pretzel Logic" , a well known phrase that Steely Dan borrowed , and do not invent.)
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The normal rules don't apply to them. Or haven't you learned that yet?
We a a society of laws and democracy. Piracy is illegal.
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I sound simple and it is simple anyone trying to use copyright should be regarded as the devil.
I hope you go to Jail.
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it is like a street runner telling you which door to knock to get crack. they are involved in the transaction. I believe that's completely legal, and it is a completely different situation.
YOUR ANS : I believe that's completely legal, and it is a completely different situation.
MY ANS and the Law's ANS:
It is illegal. It is called "aiding and abetting" or "pimping" in street talk.
The more you Pirates post. the more you arguments close in on you , and crush your viewpoints based on your Pirate Logic legal falsehoods
On the post: Four Years In, How Successful Has Hollywood's Attack On The Pirate Bay Been?
End result: you get sued, you lose lots of money,
there is no $$$
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"Like it or not, fans sharing music with other fans is also part of musician culture."
ME : Unless your a Grateful Dead Head, where the dead allowed taping and trading of live show tapes,,
" fans sharing music" -- illegally and out side or copyright law--- "with other fans is also part of musician culture" ,, but it is wrong and artists want it topped when we loose control of the situation.
So does Congress, So say the Courts.
----------------------
"Now, this theft may be a necessary evil. If that theft grows the amount of works available to the culture, then according to the Constitution, the benefits to the culture outweigh the costs."
ME : Karl that is the dumbest think you have written yet , and goes against all law and reason. Please take a civil liberties class and make that point on your final paper as your class thesis .
You will fail the class.
---------------------
"This is the fourth step to understanding copyright: it harms natural rights, and should tolerated only if it produces a greater good to society.
So, the question is: Is copyright's cultural theft outweighed by the cultural benefit of growing the public domain? If not, the laws should be changed.
Hopefully you understand now. You probably should have looked all this up before debating here."
ME ::
Karl Pirate Logic at the worst. This thread is dead . Karl,, see you in the next one --- if them
--------------------------
"Pretzel logic of relativism. Freedom of speech, democracy and the rule of law are beneficial to all societies."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/apr/11/pretzellogicofrelativism
"
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Ok, I'm dumb, and have no critical thinking capabilities,Re: Re: Re: Who cares?
For most pro-pirate & anti-copyright posters here,
yes that is true.
I this techdirt , had a formal academic review syem for posts, that would be clear.
ME and the other AC , both of us clearly more educated in law,
One here understood "aiding and abetting" as a legal concept.
And it is FACT , that with crack houses and whorehouses , "aiders and abettors" are arrested and convicted often.
So like I said to Mike, folks ,,
Go to law school or shut up.
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it is like a street runner telling you which door to knock to get crack. they are involved in the transaction. I believe that's completely legal, and it is a completely different situation.
" it is like a street runner telling you which door to knock to get crack. they are involved in the transaction."
YOU : I believe that's completely legal, and it is a completely different situation.
ME : WRONG it is not legal. It is aiding and abetting , and if it is for the sale of Crack ,, or pimping prostitution ,, you got to jail.
Again my point : Leave legal commentary to people trained in law !!
=============================
On the post: Dutch Court Says Just Publishing Links To A Movie Is Illegal And Must Be Blocked
Re: WTF? That's like locking people up because they tell you which house on the block is the crack house.
And even if they don't , they may be able to.
It is called "aiding and abetting" . A well know legal concept.
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Every male probably knows where the whorehouse is, should they be held responsible for prostitution?
If they are , cops & judges ,, YES !!!!
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Do not patronise artists that use copyright, it is that simple.
PLEASE DO THAT !!!
Stop illegally downloaded copy righted work.
Do not pay for it either , if you are offended by copyright.
PLEASE DO !!!!!!
However ,, the majority of the human race , lawyers & Judges too,, DO support Copyright laws.
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Re: Re: Who cares?
Ans:Again , exactly right.
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Re: in a digital world, actively seeking out illegal downloads and pointing to them has nearly the same net effect as hosting them. think of it another way, it is a simple criminal conspiracy:
ME : EXACTLY right.
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So long and thank someone for all the fish soup. Re: Re: Re: It's still amazing that any court thinks that just publishing links to something should be illegal,
On the post: Dutch Court Says Just Publishing Links To A Movie Is Illegal And Must Be Blocked
then only artists should comment on the arts.
Well now that you mention it .... it ain't a bad idea.
As the saying goes in Art : "nobody likes a critic."
And as a mater of fact in "Formal Literary review", like the NYTimes . book section , and the NY Review of Books , (- two very stuffy , nose in the air publications if you ask me **),
most articles of review, the majority even ,, ARE written by other professional writers,, other novelists ,, not just journalists.
( *** http://www.nybooks.com/)
-----
As well with music ,, this is also often true. Musicians nowadays are often the ones hired to write reviews of music,
Related to this,,
this is why Bob Dylan , Tom Petty , and other musicians , have now their own satellite radio DJ programs.
Because many folks , do not like non-Artist as .critics,
and satellite radio , gives Dylan and Petty a chance to present the music from a Musicians viewpoint.
-------------------
"If only lawyers can comment on the law ,,then only artists should comment on the arts. "
Intelligent comments on law , come for people educated in law.
Real Wold comments on law are call COURTS.
Courts , critic laws. Their critic is real-world impact.
Everyone's non-legal minded comments here about law is meaningless in that context.
====================
Main Entry: crit·ic
Pronunciation: \ˈkri-tik\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin criticus, from Greek kritikos, from kritikos able to discern or judge, from krinein
Date: 1588
1 a : one who expresses a reasoned opinion on any matter especially involving a judgment of its value, truth, righteousness, beauty, or technique
b : one who engages often professionally in the analysis, evaluation, or appreciation of works of art or artistic performances
2 : one given to harsh or captious judgment
-------------
----------------------
Lobbyist for the most are Lawyers.
So yes, "only lawyers can comment on the law" , in the formation of public policy in legislative is mostly true.
In the Courts . legal decisions _- the only commentary that really counts !!!- are written , by Judges.
Judges are lawyers.
-------------------------
So yes : Being ONLY lawyers comment 'Formally" and "Realistically" with real world effect on the law.....
.... then only artists should have FORMAL comment on the arts.
A lot of people DO feel this way.
And remember paid Critics are 1] professional writers and/or 2] professional broadcast journalists.
----------------------------------------------
On the post: Four Years In, How Successful Has Hollywood's Attack On The Pirate Bay Been?
Re: Re: Copyright is there to grow the public domain. It does this by temporarily giving authors the exclusive right to the profits made from publishing, as an incentive to produce more works.
I have always said and admitted the my Beatles cover at my space was a blatant & technical & illegal "violation of copyright law."
It was VERY intentional.
Please Paul ,, Sue. me.
Musician culture.
As I have posted about 2Ox before before.
As Mike posted in the AP Barack Obama Photo and Art Post
"Mannie Garcia, even talked about how cool it was, and didn't seem upset by the issue at all, saying he hoped he might get a "signed litho" from Fairey. "
Artist culture , the original artist of the photo
had no thought all to sure the infringer .
Artist culture.
--------------------------------
While Locke and co.
company do not write laws,
the laws are based on their writings.
Again political theory is my academic discipline
I am good at it and respected.
Even todsy as you mention Karl,
Lock and co, are discussed by SCOTUS often.
The meaning of JUST THE COMMA placement in the 2nd amendment on guns was at the forefront the the latest. SCOTUS decicion in guns rights.
The writings of Madison , Jefferson and the gang -- call the Federalist Papers -- are still at the core of our democratic functions and institutions.
These writings , as well as pure philosophers like Locke and Rand -- as they were not politicians like T.J. & co -- also play a major role in the debates on public law and policies,
Ladies and Gentleman Mr. Robert Dahl,
Robert Alan Dahl (born 17 December 1915), is the Sterling Professor emeritus of political science at Yale University, where he earned his Ph.D. in political science in 1940.[1]
He is past president of the American Political Science Association and one of the most distinguished political scientists writing today.
Dahl has often been described as "the Dean" of American political scientists.
He earned this title by his prolific writing output and the fact that scores of prominent political scientists studied under him."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Dahl
Dahl's major work :
"Democracy and Its Critics"
"In the book, Dahl "examines the most basic assumptions of democratic theory, tests them against the questions raised by its critics, and recasts the theory of democracy into a new and coherent whole.
He concludes by discussing the directions in which democracy must move if advanced democratic states are to exist in the future."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_and_Its_Critics
One of Dahl's main students was a dude name Bill Clinton.
Search: _ "Robert Dahl" "Bill Clinton " "welfare reform" ___
About 1,760 results.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=HQ6&rlz=1R1GPMD_en___ US361&&sa=X&ei=nAoLTJTmBIOdlgf31aGjDg&ved=0CBsQBSgA&q=%22Robert+Dahl%22+%22bill+ clinton+%22+%22welfare+reform%22&spell=1
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THE POINT:
Philosophers do mater in REAL WORLD POLITICAL ACTION.
T,J. and co were philosophers and politicians.
Law in the USA will always be based on
1] the "Federalist Papers" ( and other relevant writings of the time),,
2} AND the U.S. Constitution.
3] and their interpretation and implementation by
Congress and SCOTUS.
Copyright will live and get stronger.
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