"Because air is not a commodity or physical good."
Oh WoW do you Fail..
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity
"A commodity is some good for which there is demand, but which is supplied without qualitative differentiation across a market. It is fungible, i.e. the same no matter who produces it."
So do you have different air than I do or do you believe that there is no demand for air? Try holding your breath for a few days before you make your decision.
As far as air not being a "physical good" then what is it? Metaphysical? It is made out of the same atoms as everything else. If the logic is that it is not physical because you can not see it then just take a drive to LA in the summer. You can cut it with a butter knife if you want.
Speaking of the wikipedia article on industrial espionage... I find it interesting to note that no actual law is referenced in the entirety of the article, not even the references and external links. (At least not right now)
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Sometimes protecting free speech means protecting speech you don't like, but I can't even begin to process the amount of stupid you have spewed.
From My Post above:
"If there was such a copying machine (lets call it a replicator *Smirk*) the automotive industry would crumble just like you said. AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING! now that expertise and manufacturing capability could move on to something that was not infinitively reproducible like boats or airplanes or whatever. Thereby increasing competition in that new market and reducing prices while increasing actual innovation. If sometime in the future somebody figures out how to convert your car replicator into a boat replicator then that is good to. Yes the boat building industry may shrink but NEW industries will be INNOVATED to pick up the slack. Again we are not dealing with a zero sum situation here."
lux (later down the thread): "You clearly do not have an understanding of how important the auto industry is to America. It may be outdated, it may be old, but we need it. All this tech-savvy, "learn to adapt", "don't prop up old business models" falls by the wayside when our nation is in a severe economic crisis."
Actually you clearly do not have an understanding of how economics work. Failing companies die, smarter (possibly newer) companies fill the gaps. Jobs are always being created and destroyed, The idea that any company is "to big to fail" and that propping it up instead of letting it dissolve so that the free market can pick up the pieces and use them to build something new (and possibly better) is absurd on the face of it. I can not comprehend how sometimes the people with the most illogical arguments try to use logic as a defense.
As far as the the whole fallacy of lost sale goes, that has been destroyed on so many levels I am beginning to think it is becoming the Techdirt equivalent of Goodwin's Law, If you break it out you have already lost.
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And You Missed it. If there was such a copying machine (lets call it a replicator *Smirk*) the automotive industry would crumble just like you said. AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING! now that expertise and manufacturing capability could move on to something that was not infinitively reproducible like boats or airplanes or whatever. Thereby increasing competition in that new market and reducing prices while increasing actual innovation. If sometime in the future somebody figures out how to convert your car replicator into a boat replicator then that is good to. Yes the boat building industry may shrink but NEW industries will be INNOVATED to pick up the slack. Again we are not dealing with a zero sum situation here.
A gangbanger gets on a bus & pays the fare for said transportation service. A few blocks later a member of a rival gang also boards the bus and pays his fare. As he walks to the back of the bus the first 'banger pulls a gun and shoots the second. The bus driver stops the bus (because he just heard a gunshot) and the perpetrator flees the scene.
Now most people (and the Police for that matter) would say that the other people on the bus are "innocent bystanders" and are nothing more than witnesses to a horrible crime. Secondary Liability would say (and the really scary thing is I could actually see this lawsuit happening, because our society has become so stupidly litigious) that The Bus Driver is also at fault for not knowing (Psychically?) that the first man had a weapon, and that the Bus Company is at fault for not installing metal detectors on the bus. If they did install metal detectors it would be the fault of the company that manufactured the detectors, or a personal favorite (That has actually happened - bless the idiots involved) the company that manufactured the gun.
Now a reasonable and sane human being would know that the person at fault in this scenario is the criminal who picked up a weapon and used it against another person, but that might actually involve work to locate and prosecute that person. [Side Note: A job that our police departments and prosecutors work at every day.] However the people who think that secondary liability is a good idea don't want to be bothered to do that job so they will go after the "innocent bystanders" because they don't have to find them (After all they are still standing there) and the "Service Provider" because it has the deeper pockets.
This was going to be MY next point... People in cars driving down the road watching TV on their cell phone while driving (and texting and talking and putting on makeup with a newspaper over the steering wheel). Sorry sounds like a bad idea to me. But I also have to agree with Derek that part of the problem is the way the mobile market works in the US. Ok Time to take a migraine pill the mental Image I just gave myself is giving me a headache.
LOL of course Wikipedia removes information without any evidentiary support or basis in fact. That is the whole point of Wikipedia and the reason for the 'Citation Needed' Template I Referenced. Yet again you have said that you can not provide evidence to support your accusations because the evidence would be removed. Circular logic is never the right answer. If you are afraid to post a link because of the great Techdirt conspiracy then how about keywords for a Google search, the name of a website, any evidence that you are not just suffering from paranoid personality disorder.
Bullshit! Even before I registered my posts would show intermediately without filtering. The only filtering I have seen evidence of is to prevent spam (advertising) posts, and obviously that is not a comprehensive filter because some still get through.
As far as Techdirt deleting comments expressing opposing opinions or opinions they don't like. Bullshit^2 There are opposing opinions in the comments all the time, Just look at RJR or TAM to name a couple. As far as those "really good arguments against some of Mike's positions" let's hear some, or give us a link to some, or are the nothing but hot air like yourself?
"However, the TSA also admitted that there's nothing preventing this "test mode" from being turned on while in regular use."
This is the important line ... TSA has been trying to deny that the body-scanning equipment has the capability to print/store/distribute Images except during "Testing at a secure facility"
The point you seem to be missing is that the existing system encourages pharma companies to develop drugs they can patent not drugs that make you healthier. An excellent point on this was made by DH on an earlier thread Institutions Will Seek To Preserve The Problem For Which They Are The Solution, it seemed to be almost kidding but the essence remains. Pharma patents are not just about research & development, they are a major factor in driving up the prices on prescription drugs. Just look what happens to those prices when generics become available, they drop like a rock. Stronger patent legislation also drove out smaller companies in favor of few large companies. By holding a dominant position throughout the world these mega-corps influence the governments to give them more, and more PROFIT -not- healthier people.
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Oh WoW do you Fail..
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity
"A commodity is some good for which there is demand, but which is supplied without qualitative differentiation across a market. It is fungible, i.e. the same no matter who produces it."
So do you have different air than I do or do you believe that there is no demand for air? Try holding your breath for a few days before you make your decision.
As far as air not being a "physical good" then what is it? Metaphysical? It is made out of the same atoms as everything else. If the logic is that it is not physical because you can not see it then just take a drive to LA in the summer. You can cut it with a butter knife if you want.
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From My Post above: lux (later down the thread): "You clearly do not have an understanding of how important the auto industry is to America. It may be outdated, it may be old, but we need it. All this tech-savvy, "learn to adapt", "don't prop up old business models" falls by the wayside when our nation is in a severe economic crisis."
Actually you clearly do not have an understanding of how economics work. Failing companies die, smarter (possibly newer) companies fill the gaps. Jobs are always being created and destroyed, The idea that any company is "to big to fail" and that propping it up instead of letting it dissolve so that the free market can pick up the pieces and use them to build something new (and possibly better) is absurd on the face of it. I can not comprehend how sometimes the people with the most illogical arguments try to use logic as a defense.
As far as the the whole fallacy of lost sale goes, that has been destroyed on so many levels I am beginning to think it is becoming the Techdirt equivalent of Goodwin's Law, If you break it out you have already lost.
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Again at the risk of repeating Myself...
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Please DNFTT
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Another "Ridiculous" Analogy
Now most people (and the Police for that matter) would say that the other people on the bus are "innocent bystanders" and are nothing more than witnesses to a horrible crime. Secondary Liability would say (and the really scary thing is I could actually see this lawsuit happening, because our society has become so stupidly litigious) that The Bus Driver is also at fault for not knowing (Psychically?) that the first man had a weapon, and that the Bus Company is at fault for not installing metal detectors on the bus. If they did install metal detectors it would be the fault of the company that manufactured the detectors, or a personal favorite (That has actually happened - bless the idiots involved) the company that manufactured the gun.
Now a reasonable and sane human being would know that the person at fault in this scenario is the criminal who picked up a weapon and used it against another person, but that might actually involve work to locate and prosecute that person. [Side Note: A job that our police departments and prosecutors work at every day.] However the people who think that secondary liability is a good idea don't want to be bothered to do that job so they will go after the "innocent bystanders" because they don't have to find them (After all they are still standing there) and the "Service Provider" because it has the deeper pockets.
There is no justice to be had here only greed.
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As far as Techdirt deleting comments expressing opposing opinions or opinions they don't like. Bullshit^2 There are opposing opinions in the comments all the time, Just look at RJR or TAM to name a couple. As far as those "really good arguments against some of Mike's positions" let's hear some, or give us a link to some, or are the nothing but hot air like yourself?
Again {{Citation Needed}}
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Re: Way off
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This is the important line ... TSA has been trying to deny that the body-scanning equipment has the capability to print/store/distribute Images except during "Testing at a secure facility"
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I have no sympathy for Apple at this point they can (to quote DH) "play hide and go fuck themselves"
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How is that the greater good?
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