Mike has managed to stay away from the situation in Sweden, where laws that made piracy much more difficult have lead to an 80% increase in online music sales and a near 20% increase in overall music sales.
i suppose you are talking about the guardian article which has a few problems with it.
1) it uses IFPI numbers, the european version of the RIAA, the group with the biggest axe to grind against the pirate bay.
2) it was an 18% increase in revenues, not 80%.
3) new legal download services like spotify went online in sweden during the same time frame. remember, the RIAA and the like don't just hate TPB, they also hate legal download services as well.
4) TPB is still up, still serving torrents (and ads), and now offers a vpn service to get around ISP tracking. good job guys, you just made TBP even more profitable.
you sound like the bum from a clockwork orange, right before alex kicks the snot out of him:
It's a stinking world cause there's no law and order any more. It's a stinking world because it lets the young get on to the old like you've done. Oh, it's no world for an old man any longer. What kind of a world is it at all? Men on the moon and men spinning around the earth and there's not no attention paid to earthly law and order no more.
Without the "teeth" of the GPL requiring the new content to also be free back, you get into a serious problem, right?
not really. the BSD license has no such requirement to make changes available. it's up there with the GPL in terms of popularity. it's the basis for the licenses for mozilla, apache, eclipse, perl, and a lot of google code.
So if I build a better site that scrapes all of techdirt's traffic, do I get a mea culpa from all of you, or just a lawsuit from Techdirt? Let me take a wild guess which one would really happen.
read like 4 articles on techdirt and you will see mike saying over and over again to go ahead and copy his shit.
open source software licensing that is free at home but pay for commercial license. Sure, you could install it at work, but people are compelled to pay for that.
The real answer to this: You can have all the net neutrality you want, but you give up your anonymous status. Basically, IPv6 enforced, everyone has to be identified, ISPs required to know exactly what user is on each IP, and end users being responsible for anyone connected to the internet via their connection. Same rule for VPN or proxies providers, they would be required to log and know who is using their services, and provide that information directly in response to a DMCA or similar style notice.
you sound like those idiots that think DRM will somehow be "fixed" in order to be effective.
ipv6, as a standard, is 11 years old and it's still not in widespread use. something like 1% of the internet uses it, mostly for fail over. good luck rolling that out in time to save the recording industry :-)
and remember, anonymity works both ways. if ipv6 does away with ISP's using dynamically assigned IP's, then apps like moblock or peer guardian that refuse connections from "suspicious" peers on lists will vastly improve in accuracy because the lists will be far easier to keep up to date.
and a 128bit address space doesn't suddenly render NAT and proxy systems unusable. they will still work fine. and even if they stopped there are other, "darker" methods for sharing files, like freenet, tor, ip2p, or just encrypted links between small worlds networks.
also, lately i have been getting a decent amount of stuff from sites like rapidshare in addition to my usual BT shenanigans. the right thread in a forum can yield terabytes of goodies.
i won't even mention trading hard drives with friends.
so unless you are willing to go house to house and shoot people, you can't stop filesharing.
So, if I have this right, you're saying that black people are cheap and Public Enemy would have had much more success if they performed white music.
there is also the fact that PE's music can get fairly political and preachy at times, and at other times downright insulting to people (both black and white) outside of the nation of islam. the current commercial hiphop scene probably doesn't have room for PE. their stuff was cool in the 80's and 90's, maybe not so much nowadays.
i would speculate that the internet marketing for this project probably doesn't reach many disaffected youth like the record stores of old did.
it could be that PE just doesn't have a good grasp of their surviving fan base on the internet.
Now we know why the vice president has been meeting with pro-copyright folks so much. All politicians want to be able to copyright their names so that they can get away with anything at all and it can never be reported.
no, they just want to get away with rape. sheesh you conspiracy theorists and your tinfoil hats.
I think in many ways this war is already being won. In Sweden, the IPRED laws and similar have made a major shift in how people are getting their music and such, and I could see other countries following down the same lines.
all IPRED in sweden did was create a market for anonymous VPN services. you thought selling ads on a tracker raked in the bucks? think about how much money could be made for selling subscription services for $15 a month.
that's a strange definition of victory: not stopping piracy, AND making your enemies richer by creating a market for new services.
the pirate bay is still up and still serving up torrents AND has paying subscribers to its IPREDator beta. great job guys! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Blind to consumers at their own peril
Why should we worry about that it’s just a new tool for government to use for surveillance, oppression, and control. We know how the government always looks out best interests.
i hate the police state as much as any good anarchist, in this case, we probably shouldn't attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
i don't think that any individual deliberately intends to create a police state or a nanny state, but those same individuals are easily bribed into making decisions that are not well thought out from a constitutional standpoint.
We have politically connected corporations that are on the verge of failing, the laws they lobby for in a desperate attempt to fight the tide are going to be detrimental to society as a whole. These new laws and regulations will most certainly cost consumers and tax payers many multiples of what the record labels stand to loose.
the point to emphasize is that these laws will continue past the death of the industries they were enacted to protect.
hollywood profits are not eternal, our civil liberties should be.
I wish you hadn't said it like that, you're scaring all the people in Hollywood or the people hired to protect them.
sorry. how does this sound:
game over. you lose.
A better way to put it is: No matter what security measures a BluRay is given...
that's a fallacy. you don't need to be a geek. you don't even need to know a geek. you don't even have to know a college student. you just have to know how to use google.
No matter what the studios try or are told to try by "content rights protecting agencies" one way or another, it will quickly become possible for people to pirate their content once more.
correct me if i am wrong, but sounds like you think filesharing was interrupted some how. all of these copy protection measures have no effect on filesharing. the copies uploaded to BT either never had DRM on them, or had the DRM stripped prior to upload.
all copy protections do is drive more legitimate customers to file sharing. 4 years ago, i was lucky to see 500 seeders listed on a public tracker for a really popular movie. today, there are tens of thousands on the new releases. DRM not only fails to stop piracy, it's actively encouraging it.
Good luck finding an ISP that'll let you download that much data in a single session...
the terabyte external hard drive has replaced the DVDR as the weapon of mass destruction for intellectual property.
the internet is great for getting new stuff, especially if you have the hookup on a tracker that your friends don't, but external drives via small world networks are the best way to move tons of stuff.
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Re: Re: Re: Nobody obeys the law
i suppose you are talking about the guardian article which has a few problems with it.
1) it uses IFPI numbers, the european version of the RIAA, the group with the biggest axe to grind against the pirate bay.
2) it was an 18% increase in revenues, not 80%.
3) new legal download services like spotify went online in sweden during the same time frame. remember, the RIAA and the like don't just hate TPB, they also hate legal download services as well.
4) TPB is still up, still serving torrents (and ads), and now offers a vpn service to get around ISP tracking. good job guys, you just made TBP even more profitable.
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Re:
It's a stinking world cause there's no law and order any more. It's a stinking world because it lets the young get on to the old like you've done. Oh, it's no world for an old man any longer. What kind of a world is it at all? Men on the moon and men spinning around the earth and there's not no attention paid to earthly law and order no more.
On the post: Is It Really Such A Problem If People Sell Your Works? Or Is It Just Free Market Research?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Really...
you must be new to the internet. bathroom's on the left.
On the post: Is It Really Such A Problem If People Sell Your Works? Or Is It Just Free Market Research?
Re: Re: GPL
not really. the BSD license has no such requirement to make changes available. it's up there with the GPL in terms of popularity. it's the basis for the licenses for mozilla, apache, eclipse, perl, and a lot of google code.
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Re: Re: Re: Really...
read like 4 articles on techdirt and you will see mike saying over and over again to go ahead and copy his shit.
so go ahead. do it faggot. we're all waiting.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Really...
yeah, but no one trusts those licenses.
for a great many of us it's GPL or don't bother.
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Re: Another smart - dumb argument
you sound like those idiots that think DRM will somehow be "fixed" in order to be effective.
ipv6, as a standard, is 11 years old and it's still not in widespread use. something like 1% of the internet uses it, mostly for fail over. good luck rolling that out in time to save the recording industry :-)
and remember, anonymity works both ways. if ipv6 does away with ISP's using dynamically assigned IP's, then apps like moblock or peer guardian that refuse connections from "suspicious" peers on lists will vastly improve in accuracy because the lists will be far easier to keep up to date.
and a 128bit address space doesn't suddenly render NAT and proxy systems unusable. they will still work fine. and even if they stopped there are other, "darker" methods for sharing files, like freenet, tor, ip2p, or just encrypted links between small worlds networks.
also, lately i have been getting a decent amount of stuff from sites like rapidshare in addition to my usual BT shenanigans. the right thread in a forum can yield terabytes of goodies.
i won't even mention trading hard drives with friends.
so unless you are willing to go house to house and shoot people, you can't stop filesharing.
On the post: Public Enemy Not Selling Well Enough On Sellaband: What Went Wrong?
Re: Re:
there is also the fact that PE's music can get fairly political and preachy at times, and at other times downright insulting to people (both black and white) outside of the nation of islam. the current commercial hiphop scene probably doesn't have room for PE. their stuff was cool in the 80's and 90's, maybe not so much nowadays.
i would speculate that the internet marketing for this project probably doesn't reach many disaffected youth like the record stores of old did.
it could be that PE just doesn't have a good grasp of their surviving fan base on the internet.
On the post: Public Enemy Not Selling Well Enough On Sellaband: What Went Wrong?
Re: Re:
the problem is probably their pricing tiers, and probably not the overall business model.
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Re: Joe Biden
no, they just want to get away with rape. sheesh you conspiracy theorists and your tinfoil hats.
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Re: Re: Re DidTedAlvinKlaudtRapeHisTwoFosterDaughters.com
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Re: 30 million?
that way your tax dollars would actually be stopping piracy.
On the post: Biden Convenes 'Piracy Summit' That Appears To Be Entirely One-Sided
Re: Re: misguided actions ....
all IPRED in sweden did was create a market for anonymous VPN services. you thought selling ads on a tracker raked in the bucks? think about how much money could be made for selling subscription services for $15 a month.
that's a strange definition of victory: not stopping piracy, AND making your enemies richer by creating a market for new services.
the pirate bay is still up and still serving up torrents AND has paying subscribers to its IPREDator beta. great job guys! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
On the post: Biden Convenes 'Piracy Summit' That Appears To Be Entirely One-Sided
Re: Re: Re: Re: Blind to consumers at their own peril
i hate the police state as much as any good anarchist, in this case, we probably shouldn't attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
i don't think that any individual deliberately intends to create a police state or a nanny state, but those same individuals are easily bribed into making decisions that are not well thought out from a constitutional standpoint.
On the post: Biden Convenes 'Piracy Summit' That Appears To Be Entirely One-Sided
Re: Re: Blind to consumers at their own peril
the point to emphasize is that these laws will continue past the death of the industries they were enacted to protect.
hollywood profits are not eternal, our civil liberties should be.
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Re: misguided actions ....
Anyone have any others???
secret tribunals to try accused pirates without all that commie 5th amendment BS.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: that's better
sorry. how does this sound:
game over. you lose.
A better way to put it is: No matter what security measures a BluRay is given...
that's a fallacy. you don't need to be a geek. you don't even need to know a geek. you don't even have to know a college student. you just have to know how to use google.
No matter what the studios try or are told to try by "content rights protecting agencies" one way or another, it will quickly become possible for people to pirate their content once more.
correct me if i am wrong, but sounds like you think filesharing was interrupted some how. all of these copy protection measures have no effect on filesharing. the copies uploaded to BT either never had DRM on them, or had the DRM stripped prior to upload.
all copy protections do is drive more legitimate customers to file sharing. 4 years ago, i was lucky to see 500 seeders listed on a public tracker for a really popular movie. today, there are tens of thousands on the new releases. DRM not only fails to stop piracy, it's actively encouraging it.
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Re: Re: Re: I guess i am lost
Or my windows are down?
better buy two licenses. just to be safe.
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Re: Re: Re: Blu ray is pointless
the terabyte external hard drive has replaced the DVDR as the weapon of mass destruction for intellectual property.
the internet is great for getting new stuff, especially if you have the hookup on a tracker that your friends don't, but external drives via small world networks are the best way to move tons of stuff.
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Re: Re: The digital copy expiration is only for activation...
depending on how the DRM works, maybe only as long as your current OS install :-(
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