I would like to think I would, but, Im an "odd duck" in many circles I tend to be more logical then emotional about such things.
rather then flip the fuck out, I would have talked to her, and, unlike this mother I think I would have noticed something was wrong before she offed herself.
I also will never shame my kids regarding their sexual choices, I have seen what that does to a person, and how growing up in a home where sex wasnt anything dirty or to hide...well, Im less worried about any child I have hitting puberty and having sex then I am about making sure they know how to use protection and avoid std's and pregnancy.
sex is a natural part of life, yeah what this guy did was creepy, but then again, we dont know if he or she where the aggressor.....I would take for how the case went down, that it was likely she had alot more culpability then most guys here would like to accept....otherwise.....i think books would have been thrown.
thanks for your comments, as I am sure you have noticed, I am the one taking most of the abuse here, I know more then one woman who has similar stories to yours, in some cases they got what they wanted.....but nobody got hurt....
Im glad you let them know your story, since so many here feel teens are all airheaded nitwits who cant make any choices or learn from their mistakes....
actually, by law in states with statutory rape laws, even if she drugged him, tied him up and jumped his bones, it would be his fault and he would get charged, the law is very clear on this, theres no excuse, one fellow I met got jummped by a 14yo girl when he was passed out drunk in his bedroom(his sisters basement), it was his neices friend who did it.
she admitted he was out cold, that she took his pants off and such, but hes still a sex offender...note: i saw tape of her testimony and she made it very clear she jummped him and he had no idea till the cops showed up after she blabbed to another friend....
again IT DOSNT MATTER HOW IT HAPPENS THE MAN IS GUILTY!!!
I do agree with what your saying but thats not how our system in this country works...
and be prepared your going to be called a rape appologist, pedophile and so on and so forth for not saying the guy needs burned at the stake or life in prison or similar.
yeah i cant find any info if she initiated or he did, all i can find is, it seems it was concentual despite the law saying it couldnt be.
and a strong feeling from all i have read on other sites is that the reason the judge cut him a break was that she didnt want him prosecuted/persecuted.
no info about what was going on before she offed herself....no clue if it was really related or if it was how it was related.
im not a rape apologist or pedo/sicko, I just have issue with consensual sex being called rape even if thats how the law sees it.
(some states the law states at 17years 11months 28 days a girls cant consent but a few days later... magically shes mature enough to consent....
even if he had the power to ban me, I would still speak my mind....
I have had ethugs threaten me and one even came out to fight me once years ago.....when he saw me, he about shit himself(i was about 3x his size and im built like a viking....but not a techno viking.....:P )
we are all allowed to state our opinions, just because i dont agree this was rape dosnt mean i feel it was right, and dosnt mean im a perv or pedo....no matter what they say to try and discredit me.
notice none of us are calling them sick perverts, despite the fact that I think their fixation on your girls sex lives is a bit....creepy....
nope because his sister was raped, and thus this man must burn...he will only be happy when this guy gets killed by some psycho who sees his image/name/addy on the sexoffender registry.
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as the son of a teacher, till recently this was not the case, and most older teachers are not required to do continuing education or take these training courses.
even then, some men/women are weak willed, even teachers....
i had a teacher you could talk into giving you a good grade even if you turned nothing in the whole term...(loved that class...lol)
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dosnt matter you need to see it from their points of view as fathers of girls, they dont want their daughters having sex, anybody who has sex with girls their age should not just be thrown in prison for life but, burned at the stake....
girls are unable to decide if they want to have sex till they are 16 or 18 or 19.....or till they get married.....
if you dig around washington isnt the only state doing this, others are following the example because its easy money and the prison lobby LOVE IT, after all, if you cant get a decent job you are more likely to endup in prison.
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I can relate this back to my gaming group(not a clan, started as a squad from an old game called starsiege)
we had alot of members, one thing that always shocked me was how many of the teens in the group where more mature and level headed then their parents.
parents would blow up and act irrational, the kids would stay calm and think things out.
the parents would run on emotion and make snap decisions/judgement, the kids many times would again, stay calm and think things out before making a choice.
by kids, 12-16 range was common in our groop, male and female.
having worked at churches for many years running sound boards and such I can say i saw similar at the church, many times the teen group had more level heads then the church board or adults of the church.
also saw alot of bad choices by adults and kids in my time, some people never grow up or learn from life, and that wont change.
a few of the most reliable people at the last church i worked at where teens from the teen group, they would show up when they heard stuff needed done and would pitch in, they also would deal with some of the older folks and get them out of the way without the fight that would have happened had I tried the same thing....
No, I didnt have any sexual interest in any of the teens, I just was shocked how level headed so many of them where compared to their elders....
I think part of it was, many of them where there not for the religious aspect so much as for the belonging to a group that wasnt involved in drugs and such.
they had some very questionable choices among the group, some of the worst by the woman who ran(runs) it, she would have church sleepovers(lockins) and not have enough people watching what was going on, you would walk in and find teens sleeping togather (never caught humping but im sure it happened), but, she was a 46yo woman who should know better then to allow that.....
again, it just shocks me when people say teens cant reason or understand ramifications of their choices..and shouldnt be allowed to make choices....
I was allowed to fuck up as i grew up, and i learned from it....
hell, At times I would let them do something wrong so they would learn, many times they would cotton on long before they actually screwed up and would fix it(like putting stuff on shelves or stacking tables or dozens of other things)
adults on the other hand where known to often do things wrong/half arsed, then just leave it that way because....fuck it why bother fixing it..no downside to leaving ti that way, somebody else would fix it....
meh, im sure we will both be called pedos again, but biology and psychology are powerful forces, and teens on average arent as stupid as people think...
hell alot of times I have seen teens go from smart to dumb due to social pressure and examples they follow.....gotta fit in you know....
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not acceptable, they should have executed him in front of her to show her and the rest of the world what kind of vengeance to expect if you have sex with somebody the law says isnt able to make rational decisions about sex.
they should have cut his junk off with a hot spork, cooked it and fed it to him, then killed him slowly as she watched and was told he wouldnt take advantage of her again.
im sure that would have been better for her, her mother and society as a whole.
after all, she was 14, far to young to be in any way ready to fuck.
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please stop speaking of logic and science, they dont want to hear it, they want blood, they want vengeance, that want his guts on a stick....
sadly im not kidding about that, I wonder when one of these guys is gonna make the news for murdering people they find on the sex offender registry.....with how they talk, its only a matter of time.
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dosnt matter boys and girls are different, girls are delicate little flowers who must be protected, boys are dirty filthy hell spawn who take advantage of girls.
girls are to dumb to make choices about having sex at that age, but boys.....well they are dirty flithy little bastards who take advantage of little girls.
you need to understand things from their point of view, they view girls as needing protected far more then boys, though if they commit a horrible crime, its still ok to hold them accountable as adults for that....jesus says so....
alot of the morals you see from these people are rooted back to american religion and views of women being weak and dumb....
Lord Binky: something else that hit me during this debate is that, if she murdered somebody, nobody here would be freaking out if they charged her as an adult and held her culpable for her actions.
but because she choose to have sex with a dirty old man, she wasnt culpable for that choice due to age....
our society is pretty fucked up honestly.
Personally, my view is Statutory rape laws and similar laws where theres no consideration taken for anything....i dont like it.
in this case, the guy was out of line, what he did was wrong, he needed and was punished.
but it wasnt rape, and she needed to be held responsible for her choices even if he coursed her into it...
its a life lesson, just like if somebody cons/courses you into giving them all your stuff....its not the other persons fault you are a fool....and its your responsibility to learn from it and not let it happen again.
but alas, thats now how many in our society see it.
many people think women/girls are innocent little flowers that need protected and men are dirty pigs who are always to blame.
you are so wrong, he should be burned at the stake, after having his genitals removed with a hot spoon....and fed to him.
well thats what a bunch of commenters in this thread would like, but then again, they just saw the faux news post tim made and didnt read the back story or any details behind the case.....and didnt care.....14yo, girl, rape=instant rage....nothing else matters.
sew the hole shut, that should fix the problem of girls having sex before they are ready.....should prevent guys from sullying their pure little bodies....they can have the stitching removed when they pass a maturity test or hit 25....hows that sound?
i mean, after all, we cant agree on an age even within the us it ranges from 14-19, so, perhaps the best idea is to protect them by making sure they cant make bad choices....including sticking things in there....
if a man violates this, remove his genitals or, just kill him outright.... girls/women need protected from males and themselves....
/sarc
again, I dont agree with what he did, he needed punished, he got punished.
as to the suicide, we dont know the facts behind why she did it, just a mothers anguish and laying blame....
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rather then flip the fuck out, I would have talked to her, and, unlike this mother I think I would have noticed something was wrong before she offed herself.
I also will never shame my kids regarding their sexual choices, I have seen what that does to a person, and how growing up in a home where sex wasnt anything dirty or to hide...well, Im less worried about any child I have hitting puberty and having sex then I am about making sure they know how to use protection and avoid std's and pregnancy.
sex is a natural part of life, yeah what this guy did was creepy, but then again, we dont know if he or she where the aggressor.....I would take for how the case went down, that it was likely she had alot more culpability then most guys here would like to accept....otherwise.....i think books would have been thrown.
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Im glad you let them know your story, since so many here feel teens are all airheaded nitwits who cant make any choices or learn from their mistakes....
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she admitted he was out cold, that she took his pants off and such, but hes still a sex offender...note: i saw tape of her testimony and she made it very clear she jummped him and he had no idea till the cops showed up after she blabbed to another friend....
again IT DOSNT MATTER HOW IT HAPPENS THE MAN IS GUILTY!!!
I do agree with what your saying but thats not how our system in this country works...
and be prepared your going to be called a rape appologist, pedophile and so on and so forth for not saying the guy needs burned at the stake or life in prison or similar.
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and a strong feeling from all i have read on other sites is that the reason the judge cut him a break was that she didnt want him prosecuted/persecuted.
no info about what was going on before she offed herself....no clue if it was really related or if it was how it was related.
im not a rape apologist or pedo/sicko, I just have issue with consensual sex being called rape even if thats how the law sees it.
(some states the law states at 17years 11months 28 days a girls cant consent but a few days later... magically shes mature enough to consent....
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I have had ethugs threaten me and one even came out to fight me once years ago.....when he saw me, he about shit himself(i was about 3x his size and im built like a viking....but not a techno viking.....:P )
we are all allowed to state our opinions, just because i dont agree this was rape dosnt mean i feel it was right, and dosnt mean im a perv or pedo....no matter what they say to try and discredit me.
notice none of us are calling them sick perverts, despite the fact that I think their fixation on your girls sex lives is a bit....creepy....
meh back to reading.
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but let them come on over, let them check the group out, you will find no children or young adults there.
grow up, stop using adhom's to attack me just because I dont agree with your views and opinions.
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even then, some men/women are weak willed, even teachers....
i had a teacher you could talk into giving you a good grade even if you turned nothing in the whole term...(loved that class...lol)
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girls are unable to decide if they want to have sex till they are 16 or 18 or 19.....or till they get married.....
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if you dig around washington isnt the only state doing this, others are following the example because its easy money and the prison lobby LOVE IT, after all, if you cant get a decent job you are more likely to endup in prison.
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btw the US it verys state to state, 14-18 range from what i have read.
remember these guys know better then anybody else, and know what a 3rd world country is(any country they dont agree with the laws of)
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we had alot of members, one thing that always shocked me was how many of the teens in the group where more mature and level headed then their parents.
parents would blow up and act irrational, the kids would stay calm and think things out.
the parents would run on emotion and make snap decisions/judgement, the kids many times would again, stay calm and think things out before making a choice.
by kids, 12-16 range was common in our groop, male and female.
having worked at churches for many years running sound boards and such I can say i saw similar at the church, many times the teen group had more level heads then the church board or adults of the church.
also saw alot of bad choices by adults and kids in my time, some people never grow up or learn from life, and that wont change.
a few of the most reliable people at the last church i worked at where teens from the teen group, they would show up when they heard stuff needed done and would pitch in, they also would deal with some of the older folks and get them out of the way without the fight that would have happened had I tried the same thing....
No, I didnt have any sexual interest in any of the teens, I just was shocked how level headed so many of them where compared to their elders....
I think part of it was, many of them where there not for the religious aspect so much as for the belonging to a group that wasnt involved in drugs and such.
they had some very questionable choices among the group, some of the worst by the woman who ran(runs) it, she would have church sleepovers(lockins) and not have enough people watching what was going on, you would walk in and find teens sleeping togather (never caught humping but im sure it happened), but, she was a 46yo woman who should know better then to allow that.....
again, it just shocks me when people say teens cant reason or understand ramifications of their choices..and shouldnt be allowed to make choices....
I was allowed to fuck up as i grew up, and i learned from it....
hell, At times I would let them do something wrong so they would learn, many times they would cotton on long before they actually screwed up and would fix it(like putting stuff on shelves or stacking tables or dozens of other things)
adults on the other hand where known to often do things wrong/half arsed, then just leave it that way because....fuck it why bother fixing it..no downside to leaving ti that way, somebody else would fix it....
meh, im sure we will both be called pedos again, but biology and psychology are powerful forces, and teens on average arent as stupid as people think...
hell alot of times I have seen teens go from smart to dumb due to social pressure and examples they follow.....gotta fit in you know....
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they should have cut his junk off with a hot spork, cooked it and fed it to him, then killed him slowly as she watched and was told he wouldnt take advantage of her again.
im sure that would have been better for her, her mother and society as a whole.
after all, she was 14, far to young to be in any way ready to fuck.
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sadly im not kidding about that, I wonder when one of these guys is gonna make the news for murdering people they find on the sex offender registry.....with how they talk, its only a matter of time.
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girls are to dumb to make choices about having sex at that age, but boys.....well they are dirty flithy little bastards who take advantage of little girls.
you need to understand things from their point of view, they view girls as needing protected far more then boys, though if they commit a horrible crime, its still ok to hold them accountable as adults for that....jesus says so....
alot of the morals you see from these people are rooted back to american religion and views of women being weak and dumb....
gotta protect them from themselves and males!!!
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but because she choose to have sex with a dirty old man, she wasnt culpable for that choice due to age....
our society is pretty fucked up honestly.
Personally, my view is Statutory rape laws and similar laws where theres no consideration taken for anything....i dont like it.
in this case, the guy was out of line, what he did was wrong, he needed and was punished.
but it wasnt rape, and she needed to be held responsible for her choices even if he coursed her into it...
its a life lesson, just like if somebody cons/courses you into giving them all your stuff....its not the other persons fault you are a fool....and its your responsibility to learn from it and not let it happen again.
but alas, thats now how many in our society see it.
many people think women/girls are innocent little flowers that need protected and men are dirty pigs who are always to blame.
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well thats what a bunch of commenters in this thread would like, but then again, they just saw the faux news post tim made and didnt read the back story or any details behind the case.....and didnt care.....14yo, girl, rape=instant rage....nothing else matters.
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sew the hole shut, that should fix the problem of girls having sex before they are ready.....should prevent guys from sullying their pure little bodies....they can have the stitching removed when they pass a maturity test or hit 25....hows that sound?
i mean, after all, we cant agree on an age even within the us it ranges from 14-19, so, perhaps the best idea is to protect them by making sure they cant make bad choices....including sticking things in there....
if a man violates this, remove his genitals or, just kill him outright.... girls/women need protected from males and themselves....
/sarc
again, I dont agree with what he did, he needed punished, he got punished.
as to the suicide, we dont know the facts behind why she did it, just a mothers anguish and laying blame....
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I do think he needed punished, and I feel he has been(and will be for the rest of his life)
but alot of these people think he should have gotten life in prison or better the death penalty...
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