Recording Industry Helps Rapper/Single Mom Get A PhD, Though It Tried To Weasel Out
from the see,-sometimes-they-do-some-good dept
Update: Further reporting on this suggests that almost none of this story is true. The Daily News appears to have done no fact checking whatsoever.Of course, Warner Music, already having done plenty to try to cheat her out of her contract, worked hard not to pay. But the dean at, Marymount Manhattan College, where she attended for some of both her undergraduate and graduate degrees, read over the clause and simply kept sending bills to Warner Music. Warner (so nice of them, as per usual) ignored the invoices until Shante threatened to go public with the story of Warner Music Group not living up to their contract promises on something so basic as funding her education. In the end, Warner Music had to pay up around $217,000 for Shante's education, and she's put the doctorate to good use, launching a therapy practice focused on urban African-Americans, experimenting with new ways to get them over the taboo associated with therapy. It's nice to see how Warner Music actually did some good in the world, even if it had to be dragged there kicking and screaming.
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do you mean "dem Steelers"?
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And cut, wrap, print it.
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Good for her!! A *good* story for once.
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Cornell nonetheless... You know what they say about those Cornell folks... Always causing trouble. :-P
Seriously, that's amazing. Her mother must think the world of her.
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Real Roxanne, Roxanne??
Ahh...how I miss the dayz of old...for the record, her song as well as the song she was responding to (UTFO, anybody?) were introduced to me on a radio shack cassette tape...woot woot...in early 1985...when I was about Roxanne's age..hehe
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Education.. for life.
Man, I could really have some fun with that clause.
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The real impediment is time and motivation.
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I used to interview programmers for a large national corporation. From that experience I learned that given two people with equal technical know-how, the self-studied one is almost always the better choice. They tend to have a much deeper knowledge, be better when confronting unknown problems and situations, be more self-motivated and have better work habits.
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And you self-studied too?
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Saying that "real world learning" and reading books on Amazon is equally valuable misses the obvious. You know how you could tell? It was where he said "Man, I could really have some fun with that clause." Or when he replied to you, continuing the joke, and putting in a :)
Really, I'm being critical of Infamous Joe here. Dude, you need to add the [joke] tags. It must be your fault. Or you just lack the time and motivation.
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One day this man walks out of his house to go to work. He sees this snail on his porch. So he picks it up and chucks it over his roof, into the back yard. Snail bounces off a rock, cracks its shell all to shit, and lands in the grass. Snail lies there dying. But it doesn't die. It eats some grass. Slowly heals. Grows a new shell. And after a while it can crawl again. One day the snail up and heads back to the front of the house. Finally, after a year, the little guy crawls back on the porch. Right then, the man walks out to go to work and sees this snail again. So he says to it, 'What the fuck's your problem?'
LOL
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Now of course...
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I am now a fan of hers.
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It's all about the contract
But as this case illustrates, if you have the right deal, you can make the major label system work for you. That's why you can't discount all bands that sign to major labels until you know the specifics of the deals they have worked out.
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WB, at least, will never make that mistake again...I'd imagine other labels will follow suit...it's still safe to be critical of the dinosaurs :)
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But I know bands/artists who have signed and knew full well what they were signing and how to get the best deal for themselves.
A contract is as good or bad as the terms offered.
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In a properly competitive environment, contracts will become more and more favourable for the artists as companies compete to get them, and things will get better and better for the consumers as these labels compete to get top dollar.
The unfortunate thing is that through a convoluted mess of laws and regulations, labels are able to be completely uncompetitive, and are somehow able to maintain the status quo.
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When you are offered a bad contract, you don't sign it.
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Good for Her
If the behavior of Warner is true, and I imagine it is, I will go far out of my way not to buy any products from them.
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1. It's not original. You clearly skipped all previous comments.
2. It's not feasible. How are you going to pay all your bills? Are you going to continue taking classes and working part time to support yourself? Are you going to work full-time and take classes at night?
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All about the contract
A nice thought. But when you realize that back then especially (and still now with the worsening education of America), people like Roxanne (and likely her parents) didn't KNOW it was a bad contract. Do you seriously expect a 14 y.o. to know anything about the spaghetti-logic laws of the music industry?
I remember her music, and some of it I enjoyed. I was much more a fan of Salt 'N Pepa however. Kudos to Roxanne for TAKING back what was owed to her from the bastards of the recording industry.
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I'm not sure how this relates to what I posted. I said that before you sign a contract, you get a good lawyer. And then you don't sign if you're going to get screwed.
She actually ended up with a clause that most artists aren't offered, so I don't see her contract as an example of what went wrong.
In the end, she's better off than most artists because she has a Ph.D. that someone else paid for. She'll likely be much farther ahead than had she stayed in music.
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And once again, because of the state of the industry all major contracts will screw you over, and ones that don't are with minor labels.
Not to argue that it's immoral, evil, etc., but that if there was a properly competitive environment, you would be able to pick and choose contracts until you get one that's very favourable to you, because companies would be competing for talent.
It's almost inevitable that the industry will start putting more and more control in the hands of the artists, simply through the nature of the markets and progress. It would be nice if we didn't have to watch several train wrecks to get there, though.
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I know artists who don't feel that way. They've signed short contracts for an album or two, and they developed business plans that didn't depend on CD money anyway so it didn't matter to them if they didn't see a dime in royalties. They use the major label promotional clout to make a name for themselves and then they move on after the deal is over.
But again, it's a moot point for most artists. They won't be offered label deals in the first place.
All I have been trying to point out is that if you don't like the contract, don't sign it. And to protect yourself, get a good lawyer first. No one is forcing anyone to go the major label route. There are alternatives.
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But that doesn't mean the contracts weren't severely unbalanced. Once again, my point isn't that artists can't make good money, because that's obviously not true. The point is that contracts would be far better if there was decent competition in the industry.
Yes, you don't have to go to a major label. But that's not the point. The point is that you wouldn't have any reason to avoid a major label in a competitive market.
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There is decent competition in the industry now. It's the DIY model.
If you don't want to deal with the major labels, you don't have to.
I'm not sure what else you hope will happen. People who want to go outside the current major label system are doing exactly that.
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Warner Music did no good.
Doing good means doing the right thing for the right reason, and they tried to do wrong but got caught. Warner Music basically "did good" to save face and most likely a hell of a lot more money than they would have by continuing to fight her.
Way to do the right thing, Warner!
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This just in.......
Who is this masked single mom? Find out in Next Weeks Episode: "Single Mom Gets A Job And Works!!!!"
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Mark it PAID!
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We actually looked into this, and the Daily News report is wrong, but... not quite. She didn't get her Ph.D from Cornell. She went to Cornell Med (not the main Cornell campus) for a Masters, and then went back to Marymount for PhD.
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I can't say what is the truth, but I did see this. Perhaps Cornell needs to weigh in on this.
http://cornellsun.com/section/daze/content/2008/11/04/conference-draws-hip-hop-pioneers-cor nell
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when will it end?
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Amazing
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Um, no. As I said, I was looking into it. Please. Try reading before getting angry.
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Mr Masnick, what have you found out?
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Still waiting for one more piece of data.
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Pot calling the kettle black? While Techdirt didn't originate the lies, it propagated them (see article entitled "Recording Industry Helps Rapper/Single Mom Get A PhD, Though It Tried To Weasel Out").
Who are you to criticize?
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