Switzerland So Neutral It Won't Even Let In Violent Video Games
from the overdoing-it-a-bit dept
An anonymous reader sends in word that Switzerland appears to be following in the footsteps of Venezuela by getting close to banning all violent video games in the country (yes, even for adults). It's not quite there yet -- as the Swiss National Council has basically just given itself the right to put in place such a ban, but is still debating the actual extent of the ban. However, it appears that many expect all video games rated at a mature or adult level will likely be banned. I'm curious why none of the countries that ban such video games are also willing to ban R-rated movies as well.![Hide This Hide this](https://ii.techdirt.com/s/t/i/topclose.png)
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/sarcasm
The people that come up with this are clearly not thinking as rationally as you are. It's really just amazing how many people seem to think this kind of thing is a good idea.
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Believe it or not, to this day I have never once shot a fireball or done a flying kick at anyone.
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To what end?
Any time you make something illegal that a large number of people want to do, you end up hurting. Not helping. See Prohibition.
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With this kind of issue, I always recall my childhood in the UK. The "video nasties" list was basically a shopping list of must-see titles, and I managed to buy pirated copies of nearly all of them - this being the 80s, where VHS was the only real option and I managed to get most of them sent by mail from Cyprus or Greece while under 16 years old! How in God's name can you expect to effectively ban a game with today's technology?
The only reason for this is a misguided "protect the children" stance, which will be ineffective since it's often parents who are buying the games for their kids in the first place. Nice black market you're creating there, Switzerland, I hope your police enjoy the pointless extra work you're shovelling their way...
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It's precisely because of today's technology that they will be able to ban video games. Sure, Switzerland's borders are porous, but with much of today's DRM requiring a connection (sometimes constant) to the game company servers, there will be pressure on the game companies to restrict access based on country of origin. DRM isn't just a tool for protecting "IP"; it can also be used for censorship. Sure, this restriction can be easily circumvented, but the point is that the ban will have a dramatic effect on the freedoms of the Swiss.
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*PC* games do. Most of the games being targeted will be on consoles which have no such DRM. Sure, you have to hack the console to play a pirated copy, but the Swiss authorities have just provided a great reason to do so.
Maybe such a tactic will be used in the next generation of consoles, but this is next to useless for the current gen.
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My point was that said censorship is pretty pointless. I was able to circumvent it quite easily while living on an island, under the age of 16 in an era when the only way to distribute material was on a brick-sized piece of plastic that had to pass through customs. You described ways in which technology could be used to try and enforce the bans, I merely pointed out that this would not only be ineffective but also create a thriving black market, on and offline.
Of course I support efforts to fight said censorship, and hopefully it will fizzle out like the whole "video nasties" thing (most of those movies are now available on DVD in the UK, uncut). Meanwhile, Swiss citizens should fight this every step of the way.
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I'm not a console gamer, but don't most big budget games require some kind of authentication to the central servers? Maybe even just to log into voice chat or to record your achievements? Maybe I'm defining DRM as little more loosely that you are, but I consider this as a form of DRM. Ostensibly, it's adding value to your gaming experience, but there's no denying that this kind of feature also gives quite a bit of control to the game company (or its publisher), the kind of control that can be used to censor a game.
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It's still DRM, but it's minimal and usually makes no difference to whether you can play the game once the console's hacked. Again, this may change in future generations but there's no way to stop a player using the current gen (and remember, DRM is typically removed from pirated copies of PC games, so it's useless there as well).
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But you're making a distinction between official server and unofficial servers. So, let me qualify my original statement. Today's DRM implemented in many PC and console games requires a connection (sometimes constant) to the game company's official servers in order to play legally. This is what lead me to believe that you were implying that the censorship was OK because it could be circumvented. Or else why even bring up that it can be circumvented? What relevance does this have on the issue of whether it's ethical or just for Switzerland to censor computer games?
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And, of course it will make way for a rampant 'black ' Market - good for the economy, like the cannabis production...
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You have Germany to the north, France to the west, Italy to the south, and Austria and Liechtenstein about an hour a way... not hard to buy any game there legally and probably cheaper than it is in Switzerland anyway.
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Two years later, and the ban is still not in effect. There's some discussion going on, and for now minors do not have the right to buy games 18+ (PEGI classification).
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errr... maybe they'll ban the building of minarets on Mosques... bugger!
Oh the Swiss... they just mad.
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And made a joke while you were at it.
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that woun't be allowed to play awesome games!
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bambi and the 7 dwarfs
DO YOU want your kids to be fruity lil faggits?
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YES -- We must ban the kids...
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the irony
The only argument I can see going for these kinds of bans is "protect the children" i.e. they see violence in a video game and think its okay to do it in real life. In video games, you for example pull a trigger and an enemy is dead.
What about kiddy cartoons like spongebob etc? Their violence is often much greater. There are explosions and such, and the characters are unharmed in the next scene. That can be interpreted as teaching kids that violence is okay, there are no consequences. Let's blow up that bully who's always picking on me! It's all right, he'll be magically unharmed in a few minutes.
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how many Swiss
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For kids or not for kids
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