Glenn Beck Not A Fan Of Fair Use; Claims US Gov't Paying Remixers To Create Anti-Beck Propaganda
from the communists,-socialists-and-fair-use dept
One of the good things about intellectual property issues is that it's really a non-partisan debate. While, in practicality, this seems to mean that both of the major political parties support bad copyright and patent law, at the very least, it leaves ridiculous political rhetoric out of the debates on things like copyright. But, sometimes, weird things happen. Such as when Glenn Beck seems to think that "fair use" is a choice of some sort. Apparently, in political circles, there was a lot of attention paid recently to a video mashup showing Donald Duck being influenced by Glenn Beck -- created by Jonathan McIntosh, who I saw speak earlier this year at the first Fair Use Day in DC. The video, which I had not seen until this, apparently made the rounds in political circles.But, now, Glenn Beck has seen the video and he's not at all happy about it. On his radio program, he condescendingly mocks the videos creator for being involved in "fair use activism." Beck's enunciation is really bizarre. He reads McIntosh's bio with odd emphasis, in a tone suggesting something sinister in ideas like "fair use activist" and "open video alliance." Then he puts on the super sinister voice and says that these remix videos are "getting federal funding to 'help culture understand culture.'" He promises to investigate further.
Um. Yeah, those evil remix artists are really federal stooges? That must be why the federal government keeps trying to make copyright law ever more stringent to wipe out remixes, huh?
Ah, and then we learn of Glenn Beck's basic confusion over the concept of fair use. Since the video involved Donald Duck, he starts talking about Disney, and how Walt Disney hated communists, and he finds it odd that they're okay with fair use:
Of course, it's all fair use! So they can use Disney... apparently Disney doesn't have a problem with Donald Duck cartoons now being remixed and politicized...Um, hey, Glenn: the whole point of "fair use" is that it doesn't matter if the copyright holder is okay with it or not. That's why it's called "fair use." It's a situation where the users can use it no matter if the copyright holder has a problem with it or not. It's part of this thing called Free Speech found in the First Amendment of a document you seem to like, called the Constitution. And, of course, this is Disney we're talking about, the company that has single-handedly done more to expand copyright than just about any other company in its efforts to protect Mickey Mouse. To suggest that Disney has somehow gone soft on copyright is pretty laughable.
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Filed Under: copyright, donald duck, fair use, glenn beck, jonathan mcintosh, remix
Companies: disney
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How about not playing the race card every chance you get.
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Consider me chastened and corrected.
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Clearly, his work is a satire of Mr. Beck, and not a parody of the original work(s) created by Disney. As a general rule, under copyright and trademark analysis where one attempts to rely upon some form of a fair use defense, parody holds greater sway in the eyes of the courts than satire. Of course, there is a gray area in between, so to some degree how this would come out if it was litigated may come down to simply the luck of the draw when cases are assigned to judges.
Candidly, I believe that Mr. Beck would have a difficult, if not impossible, time trying to convince a court that he may have a justiciable claim against the creator. Disney, however, is quite another matter.
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Disney was heavily involved in government propaganda during world war 2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney's_World_War_II_propaganda_production
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But hey, it's easier to give someone you disagree with a label that allows you to dismiss them without having to listen to or think about what they say. Hence the entire two party system, racism, and every other unreasoned prejudice throughout history.
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Re: Glenn Beck: Idiot Or Evil?
After playing up the fears on both sides, it was quite clear he would lose credibility either way. We have a name for people like that...
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Beck's emphasis on particular words in McIntosh's bio seemed to highlight words that Beck has previously scorned in regards to Obama and his other targets like ACORN; words such as "activist," "social justice," "alternative," "community," and "Chicago." He's drawing a parallel between McIntosh and other "bad people" using the vocabulary of "bad words" that he's acquainted them with over the years.
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Satirist's Union
/sarcasm
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What if Glen Beck is Right
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Since when is making fun of someone the same as trying to silence them? Freedom of speech cuts both ways. You can support the right to publicly ridicule someone without wanting to remove their right to publicly say things that are worthy of ridicule.
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I think the discussion started out about his lack of knowledge about "fair use". If he's right (and quite often he has his facts right, it's just that his conclusions are often not on target) about federal funding going to an organization that promotes videos such as this, that would be bad, regardless of the argument about "fair use".
It's not only Beck. From Rupert Murdoch on down, News Corp (and it's Fox subsidiaries) seem to have a problem understanding fair use, copyrights, trademarks, etc...
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You're sounding as paranoid as he is. Do you believe that any criticism equals an "effort to silence"?
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What's good for the goose...
Substitute "political party" with "media organization" and "one person" with "President Obama" and see how that sentence reads.
Substitute "political party" with "Glenn Beck" and "one person" with "anyone who disagrees with him" and see how that sentence reads.
Glenn Beck is all about "underhanded and distasteful" methods. As soon as he adopts a respectable approach to voicing his opinions (and subsequently loses his audience since they're looking for fiery commentary from a guy who shares their persecution complex), I'll agree that his treatment by his critics is unfair.
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ok.
"A concerted effort by a media organiztion to ridicule/marginalize President Obama isn't illegal and is protected speech. It's still extremely underhanded and distasteful though"
Was that supposed to somehow make the quote objectionable?
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And yes, I would find it extremely underhanded and distasteful if all the media organizations went on an anti-Obama crusade, exactly as I did when it was Bush in that position.
Glenn Beck, or any individual for that matter, spouting opinions against something much larger than themselves, I have zero problem with. One trash talking a million is insignificant, a million trash talking one is pathetic.
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Gibberage
Actually.. I guess that's how I view all so-called partisan discourse these days.
Point: "You're gonna love my nuts."
Counter-point: "No way.. they're activated by the water that you and I drink!"
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It's foolish to analyze Beck.
Oh, and he uses some trick to cry on cue, too.
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That hooker was a fetid pile of Chicago.
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Taco Bell gives me the Chicagos.
Beck just lumps that in so others seem correct as well.
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Enunciation?
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Left lives up to expectations
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Read the post again... it's about Beck's misunderstanding over the 'choice' of fair-use and the fact that it applies even, as Mike states, "...if the copyright holder is okay with it or not..."
Yes, Beck mentions that this guy is receiving federal funds (without providing evidence and then saying he'll 'investigate further'), but that's a minor point that Glen (known for having a conspirator's bent) wove in. Again, all without any evidence. After a brief (and by NO means exhaustive) search, I was unable to find anything to backup this federal funding. Although to Glen's credit, perhaps the government did a great job in covering it up. /sarcasm
So, Glen puts on his tinfoil hat to attack someone who's mocking him (very successfully) by saying it's a federal government conspiracy and WE'RE the ones missing something? Honestly, I'm surprised he didn't cite a Nazi involvement... he does have Nazi-Tourettes', you know.
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Re: Left lives up to expectations
Since when am I a "marxist"?
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Anyone who doesn't goosestep in line to the chorus of "we need to give the corporations more power and less liability" is clearly a Marxist.
You're not a real Americun either. Where's your Tea Party membership badge?
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Looks like Beck was just making stuff up as he goes again...
Donald Ducked - CBS Channel 5 Evening News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEK2-8DgEo8
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But it's okay to pay for puff pieces praising own efforts as they did during Bush administration? You might want to pick a standard that's not going to backfire at you on the spot.
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If anyone needed any more proof
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Glenn Beck is a lunatic
Also, I understand he raped and murdered a 12 year old girl back in 1990, or some such. At least, I havent seen any evidence to the contrary, so....
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You could google Glenn Beck or read his Wikipedia entry, but for a hilarious sample of his craziness, check out the Daily Show's clips (hopefully they play in the UK):
http://www.thedailyshow.com/videos/?term=glenn+beck&start=0
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Hate to be picky...
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Re: Hate to be picky...
Bill of Rights is a part of the Constitution...
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http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cons titution
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html
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Great angle. Fold a crease just above the junk you don't like and RIP.
I'm (every tyrant ever impeded by law throughout history), and I approved this message.
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If He Doesn’t Becking Like It ...
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Beck is popular
He gets the fair use angle wrong, but for some reason I think Disney will be legally entangled in this some way.
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Beck doesn't care about restoring our country to economic prosperity or the US being a world leader again or living up to the lofty principals set forth by the founding fathers, he is just in it to make a buck like the D.D. remix says.
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Now come the rethuglicans with a new definition for fair use. Beck is certifiable in my opinion... he seems to have a very pronounced thing for nazi's.
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