Why Congress Isn't So Concerned With TSA Nude Scans & Gropes: They Get To Skip Them
from the so-that's-how-it-works... dept
Earlier this week, in holding a hearing with the head of the TSA, our congressional representatives didn't seem too concerned about the public complaints about TSA security procedures: the naked scans and the gropings. Want to know why? Perhaps it's because, on the rare occasions that they fly commercial, they get to skip security. The NY Times notes that Speaker of the House John Boehner (who does regularly fly commercial) got to walk right by security and go directly to the gate. In defending this, Michael Steel, head of the Republican party pointed out that this is true of all Congressional leaders -- which doesn't make it any better.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Use different visuals.
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This is nuts
The inmates are truly running the asylum.
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The TSA just announced that pilots will be exempt too. The Airline pilots Association push for the exemption because they said the scanners were a health hazard and the hand screenings were demeaning. Apparently, it's OK to irradiate and demean passengers, but not pilots or congressmen.
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Bad laws that are applied equally to lawmakers are quickly eliminated (or lawmakers are given exceptions).
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"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States."
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FTFY.
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FTFY."
Fixed it more for you. Don't really care about the Sec. but always thought of Ron Paul as an alright person.
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If Napolitano and that other guy had to go through it, I'm sure they would have a Senator possibly go through with this... Right?
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You got it wrong; they tested it once when the rapiscan systems were being sold to the administration. Michael Chertoff has an investor interest in that company by the way, did you folks know that?
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HAD to go through it, or just did so for show?
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Here's a telling statement:
Republican Senator George LeMieux expressed worries about the degree of contact in the patdowns, which include touching of the genital region and breasts.
"I'm frankly bothered by the level of these patdowns. I've seen them first-hand in airports in Florida," he said.
"I wouldn't want my wife to be touched in the way that these folks are being touched. I wouldn't want to be touched that way. And I think that we have to be focused on safety, but there's a balance," he said.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Senators-complain-about-rb-3326615803.html?x=0&.v=1
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Shouldn't fair-play have been part of the constitution?
I understand that certain differences between a congressman and the common man exist by virtue of the position they currently hold, and that some of these differences need to be handled in a distinct manner. But apart from issues related to their personal security, handling of state secrets their heads contain, and the limitations they must face as public personalities, elected government officials should have exactly the same rights and privileges as anyone else in their wealth bracket.
Who do they think they are, foreign diplomats? They should be getting the exact opposite treatment under the law that foreign diplomats get. They made their beds, now they have to lay in them.
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BTW, it does make some sense to run a plane's staff through the searches, since one way to set up a hijacking, or get a bomb on board, or whatever, is to either recruit or blackmail a staff person to do this for you. However, the same applies to Congressional leadership - and, God knows, they're more susceptible to blackmail than the average airline employee.
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They are more prone to being blackmailed than say.... I am!
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-50 points for restating rooben's joke in a dumber way
-1000 points for not understanding the difference between the Legislative and Executive branches
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Wake up and realize that congress is full of Idiots, however Terrorists are Killers.
Whether or not you want to accept it, WE control Congress. No one controls the terrorists.
Get Real!
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Shame on us in the land of the sheeple.
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In what reality? Congress doesn't listen to the general public, they only pay attention to the lobbyists who give them the most money. Sure, you could argue that we have the power to vote them out of office, but for the most part, all politicians are equally corrupt. No matter who gets elected, they all willingly bend over for the special interests the minute the checkbook comes out.
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Welcome to Capitalism.
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Even if you disagree with that and hold to the idea that we are truly capitalist, your argument makes no sense. Is socialism or communism somehow less prone to corruption? Because I think the citizens of Russia, East Germany, North Korea, etc. would disagree quite heartily with you on that one.
Power corrupts, not a specific economic system. There will always be those with access to wealth who will use it to influence those in power. Therefore, the less power we give to the government, the better.
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Many, sometimes most, of us vote for "none of the above", yet they still get in office.
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Presidents are elected by a pool of representatives not by the people, the voting thing is just theater for all I know and have no real power to do anything.
http://people.howstuffworks.com/question472.htm
http://www.helium.com/items/726826-t he-us-electoral-system-a-closer-look-at-how-it-works
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Capitol Hill trivia for you: Did you know that often times the actual Congresspersons don't even READ the bills they're scheduled to vote on? They're quite often foisted down to one of their ASSISTANTS to condense and give them some sort of "Reader's Digest version", which don't necessarily include discreetly slipped-in trinkets that are written in such a way that they are MEANT to be overlooked, and signed into law anyway...
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The Electoral college aside, one person one vote, regardless of wealth.
We, the US Citizens are however Too LAZY to give a DAMM and the politicians know this. WE, the US Citizens, have given control to the politicians. If We, the US Citizens, cared enough WE, the US Citizens, can take it back.
I hope my point is clear now.
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It is so rare that I can't remember any, but I'm sure some promises where kept but the majority just isn't.
Besides the public doesn't have a plan, a clear vision of what they want and that is in spite of having the means to do it now, people can organize and find the common ground they want and write draft for laws they want still nobody did it.
People could do a shadow government that would gather together all people that want to change something and give them a clear path to do it.
We could make a website "Draft your laws" and make another website "Vote for your laws" and get empirical data to show what people want and don't want.
Yet we do nothing of the kind why?
How to make sure people would vote only once? sell(for a very low price) cards with encrypted keys, no one can use the card twice and that is good enough for trial runs of voting or mock up of said voting.
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This is one reason I stopped watching C-Span. It was obvious the Senators and Congressmen didn't read the bills and amendments. Another other reason is that it was blatantly obvious that they want power and the only way for junior representatives to get it is to blindly Kiss the A$$'s of their leadership.
I live inside the beltway and it makes me sick.
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Correction:
Another reason is that it was blatantly obvious that they want power and the only way for junior representatives to get it is to blindly Kiss the A$$'s of their leadership.
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Can you please ask them to repeal these ridiculous, ineffective security measures?
Please have it done within the week. Thanks.
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You missed the mark by *THIS* much. Congress too is filled with terrorists. Both congress and the low-life terrorists are out of control!
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Only if by "WE" you mean the wealthy.
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The Electoral college aside, one person one vote, regardless of wealth.
We, the US Citizens are however Too LAZY to give a DAMM and the politicians know this. WE, the US Citizens, have given control to the politicians. If We, the US Citizens, cared enough WE, the US Citizens, can take it back.
I hope my point is clear now.
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I care. How do you propose I control congress? Just asking, because I have yet to find a way.
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Plain and Simple. Congressmen are up for re-election every two years, the Senators have 6 year terms.
Build coalitions on line, the beauty of the internet.
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Plain and Simple. Congressmen are up for re-election every two years, the Senators have 6 year terms.
I've got news for you, then: It doesn't work. I don't vote for them, yet they keep getting reelected and doing things I don't want them to do. Your theory is, in a word, bunk.
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Boycott the airlines!
If you have to travel, try the bus or train.
If you have to fly, Boycott the scanners.
Blog it up, spread the word.
With enough peaceful dissent, the airlines will force a change.
This is one way we can effect change.
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"American usage
In U.S. politics, some parallels can be drawn between the general election in parliamentary systems and the biennial elections determining all House seats"
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Boycott the airlines!
If you have to travel, try the bus or train.
If you have to fly, Boycott the scanners.
Blog it up, spread the word.
With enough peaceful dissent, the airlines will force a change.
This is one way we can effect change.
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They make the laws, they should follow them.
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Our security on 9/11 was good enough. The FBI KNEW who the 9/11 hijackers were MONTHS before 9/11. Bush ordered the FBI to NOT pursue these people and wouldn't give them the necessary means to pursue these people.
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Ahh, I suppose you're one of those authoritarian apologists that agrees with the Supreme Court that the 4th amendment doesn't apply within 100 miles of the border either. If you don't want to loose your 4th protections, just don't go within 100 miles of the border, right? In fact, maybe we should just say you have no rights whatsoever if you leave home at all? Yeah, that's the ticket!
Everyone would do well to remember that the US govt has military propaganda units whose job it is to troll discussion boards and post comments like the one above. Your tax dollars at work.
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My employer requires that I fly, it's not "elective" despite what apologists like yourself may try to claim.
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OTOH, what if a terrorist kidnapped the congressman, replaced him with a body double and sent him to the airport with a fake police squad? Starring Denzel Washington as the airport security officer who figures out the hoax and averts near-certain disaster!
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Pick up the pitch forks people, this is BS and we all know it.
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Actually, the pilots' union argued that the scanners were a health hazard and the hand examinations were demeaning and that's why they should not have to go through it. But it's OK to irradiate and demean passengers.
Another exception is for people who can afford to fly charter. If a terrorist wants to charter a jetliner and then fly it into a building, nothing is really stopping them.
Another exception is for private aircraft. If John Travolta has a Scientoloogy meltdown and decides to fly his fully-fueled Boeing 707 into a building, what's stopping him? Not the TSA, that's for sure.
No, these procedures are for the poor, scheduled airline sheeple who can't afford to say no and fly one of the alternatives.
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for what it's worth...
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Is that voluntary or does he just not rank very high in Congress?
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while we are syuck with hatch for 2 more year...
http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-chaffetz-verbal-scuffle-tsa,0,380899.story
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Boner!
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Boner!
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http://www.americablog.com/2010/01/german-tv-highlights-failings-of-body.html
ps: The German physicist eluded the T-Ray machine with all the components to make a bomb.
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I trust our men and women in uniform, not congress.
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... and all others are walking around aimlessly - and no one in the military would ever harm fellow troops or civvies.
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Recently? You've been extremely lucky, I guess.
I fly on orders and have to deal with security. The last time I flew on orders I was sent through the rapiscan machine.
And I know military folks serving as honor guard (those escorting soldiers/marines who gave their lives for this country,) who have had to deal with secondary inspection (and had to remove their class A jackets, shoes, and submit to a grope check.) I guess it may depend on the airport, but the ones in the US I've gone through have pretty much the same policy.
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Here's an idea
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Congressional Reform Act of 2010
1. Term Limits.
12 years only, one of the possible options below..
A. Two Six-year Senate terms
B. Six Two-year House terms
C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms
2. No Tenure / No Pension.
A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.
3. Congress (past, present, & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people.
4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/11.
The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves!
Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators; you serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.
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lots of perks
Health care for Congress is paid by the Govt and continues after they leave office. Why should they care about health care, they and their families always get it.
When Congress is voted out of office, they still receive pay. If you get fired, the company that fired you will not give you your full paycheck forever. Why should Congress worry about unemployment benefits, they will never be forced to use them.
Mabe Congress is the real reason why we are in this situation. Start forcing them to comply to the same rules and laws we all are forced to follow.
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Well, considering we already elected a terrorist as president, why bother with Congress?
You are surprised that Congress doesn't have to go through the things they mandate us to go though? And you wonder why Charlie Rangal bothered to pay any taxes?
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I think you might find that George W Bush is the terroist.
He has no morales, he's gave permission to torture suspected terroists only after his lawyers gave him the green light.
And he's always banging on about God and Christianity, cant wait till he meets his maker. It will be really hot where he will be spending eternity.
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I think you might find that George W Bush is the terroist.
He has no morales, he's gave permission to torture suspected terroists only after his lawyers gave him the green light.
And he's always banging on about God and Christianity, cant wait till he meets his maker. It will be really hot where he will be spending eternity.
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Come on man.. that's just stupid. Did McCarthyism not teach you anything? I'm no fan of Obama, but he is not a terrorist. I think Obama genuinely wants to do what is best for our country... even though I don't agree with most of his policies. But that certainly does not make him a terrorist.
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Karl Marx and Fredrick Engles is certainly starting to make sense if we became class consciousness.
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Let's also remember that Bush gave Dennis Hastert the keys to the Gulfstreams back in 2001. Pelosi didn't just march into the Pentagon and demand it. She inherited the privilege.
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Congresswhores are also exempted from insider trading laws. It should come as no surprise then that the average congresswhore has over 2x the return as a full time market professional.
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Silly peons...
Now stop your clamoring, peasants, and get back in line. Or I'll get my gavel.
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TSA full body scans...
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Stupid TSA policy... There are many
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Stop tsa groping!!!!
Check out the site and the video!!!
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Think like a terrorist.
What their next goal would be is to make us not feel safe going about our business, and that would be pretty easy to accomplish with plain ol' gasoline or combinations of household products, there's no restrictions on buying those. If the government reacted to that in the same manner as things on planes we'd likely be living in a police state in short order.
This sort of thing isn't just a violation of privacy and decency, it's letting the terrorists hold sway over our lives more than they ought to.
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Weird Complaint
I would hope they continue to send through as many non-threats as possible. Any member, let alone leader, of Congress should be sent through, and anyone else that's identified as a non-threat.
This is a silly politically motivated complaint that misses the point of security in the first place.
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"This is a silly politically motivated complaint that misses the point "
I believe it is you who have missed the point. Please excuse my complaining, but I get tired of the 'Do as I say, not as I do' crap. Congress is not above the law, there is no reason to exempt them from it. In fact, if congress were treated like common folk more often you might see legislation which actually addresses the issue rather than their bank account. In case you are unaware, congress routinely exempts themselves from that which they foist upon the rest of us.
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I don't even know how to begin explaining to you how stupid that post was.
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That kinda homeless looking, somewhat scruffy bearded semi-islamic looking individual, he's not really a threat, he's just headed out to buy another quicki-mart in the neighboring state....
OH, I get it. He's a threat to the congress critter's lobbyist's corporate backer who was also looking at purchasing the same quicki-mart, obviously he needs to have naked porno scans taken, be groped repeatedly by 'bubba', and then taken out back and water-boarded for a while...
Sure I'm kidding.... sort of
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Vote Bubbles the Chimp
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Neither are most members of the public.
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Lets say 'Ajihadonyou' gets a friendly lobbyist to arrange a meeting with a congress critter for business discussion (aka, getting a bribe, being 'lobbied', etc). As part of the 'discussion' a gift is presented to the congress critter, a personalized gucci briefcase, or product sample, etc. Now lets say that the 'gift' is really a small altitude triggered explosive with a chemical payload (not enough to bring down a plane, but enough to kill everyone on board). What happens when said congress critter bypasses security on his flight home?
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chidren of privilege exempt as well.
Do you think Chelsea Clinton gets felt up?
The Bush twins?
cheney's daughter?
Not on your life. This kind of stuff makes people so mad - we should be worried about domestic terror from ordinary citizens!!
EVERYONE hates the US government - and with good reason.
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The three-year old himself is a non threat, unfortunately, he also sounds like a pretty good mule to me. Who is escorting the three year old?
"In case you are unaware, congress routinely exempts themselves from that which they foist upon the rest of us."
You're not going to get me defend Congress. I dislike the TSA, and I dislike the Congress. I think it is mostly a corrupt institution and I suspect someone is making a great deal of money with the budget of the TSA. Who is selling those machines again?
But smartly choosing who will bypass the stupid TSA lines is what I want!!! I want them to show more discretion of who they let through quickly and who they search. I want them to better use their resources.
I'm going to complain when they actually do that? I want them to do it more!
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Given your requested exemption, a congress critter would make a fine mule - no?
Maybe congress would be given more respect if they did not exempt themselves from that which is a burden upon everyone else. At least that would be a good start.
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Then it should be clear to all that it is the US Federal Government which is the real threat to America.
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Elected officials could be terrorists!
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Also, the system had become random. You could no longer predict what consequences your actions would have. Tiny transgressions might result in severe punishment -- while big ones might be ignored.
Random porn scans/sexual harrassment for some, while those infront of or behind you in line are spared, are an example of random enforcement of punishments.
I doubt the US can get out of this by anything short of a brutal tyranny. The next president of the US is going to be a brutal law and order man.
BTW, Germans are by now openly laughing at our fearmongering politicans. All respect for authorities is gone.
"Be scared! Be very scared! Immediately! If you refuse to be scared, you will get sent to your room! And no ice cream!"
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The time is at hand
They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.
They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
Impeach Obama and sweep out the Congress, except Ron Paul.
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CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS
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Never have, never will.
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.... unless I am ever elected to congress, then it's a good idea....
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Re:
We deserve this ... dont be silly.
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Congressmen never...
Do Congressmen ever even ride on commercial aircraft anyway? I thought they all had private planes provided by their sponsors.
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TSA scanning machines
Jack Roper
Milwaukee
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What to do about it?
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