Botched TSA Pat Down Leaves Traveler Covered In Urine

from the these-are-experts dept

Tue, Nov 23rd 2010 6:57am — Mike Masnick

It certainly appears that the TSA might need a bit more training with these new intrusive groping pat downs. MSNBC has the story of a survivor of bladder cancer, who now has to wear a urostomy bag, which collects his urine for him alongside his body, trying to travel via the airport in Detroit. He tried to explain all of this to the TSA folks, and asked for a private room (as has always been promised) for a pat down, after the TSA decided that something was amiss after he went through the scanner. However, at first the TSA claimed there was no private room, then refused to listen to him explain his medical condition and did not heed warnings about how they were going to break the bag. And, yes, you guessed it, the TSA broke the bag, covering the guy and his clothes in urine, which he was unable to clean up until after boarding his plane. TSA boss John Pistole has since called the guy to apologize, but it's getting more and more difficult to take Pistole at his word when he spews his "trust me, I know what I'm doing" speech:

"After coming to TSA with 26 years of intelligence and law enforcement experience at the FBI, I understand the serious threats our nation faces and the security measures we must implement to thwart potential attacks"

That's getting tougher and tougher to believe.

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Dark Helmet (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 6:50am

New TSA taglines...
Transportation Security Administration:

"Can't see London, Can't see France, Unless we see your underpants"

"Grope discounts available"

"Better ball handlers than Kobe Bryant"

*Only the last one is my own....
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Luca Leonardi, 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:07am

And as if that wasn't enough ...
http://failblog.org/2010/11/23/epic-fail-photos-probably-bad-news-tsa-fail/?utm_source=feedburner&am p;utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+failblog+%28The+FAIL+Blog+-+Fail+Pictures+%26+Videos+at+F ailblog.ORG%29
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Pixelation, 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:08am

Fool me once
"but it's getting more and more difficult to take Pistole at his word when he spews his "trust me, I know what I'm doing" speech: "
Before the Iraq war I thought,"I am going to have faith that this guy (Bush) has more intelligence information than the rest of the world". Now this guy. Fool me once...
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A Dan (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:09am

Sad but necessary
Stories like this are what it will take for people to realize this is a problem. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that things won't change until they kill someone by messing up a medical device.
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Mike C. (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:13am

Re: And as if that wasn't enough ...
False according to Snopes
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Anonymous, 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:17am

Re: And as if that wasn't enough ...
@Luca

That is a parody article like what you would read in The Onion. No need to spread false stories about the TSA. They're doing fine on their own with the truth.
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Chrissy, 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:20am

Oi
Is it really that hard to ask a person, "Do you have any medical devices that I should be aware of?", and to actually listen to the response, before they start to prod about everywhere?

Seriously people a simple question could save from so much embarrassment.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:21am

Where are all the "if you have nothing to hide" a-holes?
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:23am

26 years of experience teaching him to be fearful and arrogant, growing accustomed to placing himself above other Americans who 'don't understand'...
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David (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:23am

The problem may be his experience
The point has been brought up, but I have to say, this guy looks through "threat" glasses. He sees the threats we need to deal with, but not the 99.99999% of people who are passing through airports that aren't.

I understand that for safety sake we need to pay some prices, but someone needs to look at the problem, to find a way that deals with people, not with threats...
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Chronno S. Trigger (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:24am

Re: New TSA taglines...
Someone with artistic talent needs to take these lines and make them propaganda posters, quick.
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weneedhelp (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:24am

Re: And as if that wasn't enough ...
This seems like it may be a false flag report to dismiss those with valid concerns. Not that I expect the MSM would be allowed to report on this, but something this juicy, someone other than TD & blogs would be reporting on it. I guess we will have to wait for 2 days until they get it, if it is true.
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Chris in Utah (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:27am

AH, I see clearly now.. said the man pissing in the wind. ROFLMAO
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Chronno S. Trigger (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:27am

Re:
In this case, I'd say this guy had plenty to hide, a full bag's worth.
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Hephaestus (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:29am

Re: Re: New TSA taglines...
Someone with musical talent needs to turn it into a song ... and dump it on YouTube
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Planespotter (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:37am

Some idiot anchor on the news "but... but... if we had all this in place earlier Abdulmutallab wouldn't have got on the plane"... doh! he would have because he got on in Amsterdam, where the TSA don't have scanners or fondle people.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:40am

Wow, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. This unfortunate accident could have happened before the new scanners were put in place.
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Thomas (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:45am

Just goes to show..
that the TSA doesn't really train their people nor do they give a rats tushie about hurting people. Probably the only reason they called to apologize is that the news people got ahold of the story, otherwise nothing would have happened.

Next thing you know they will do something even more stupid to someone with a medical appliance and the person will die. I could picture them removing an oxygen tank from someone who needs it and the person expiring.

I'm just avoiding air travel right now; it is way too much a hassle to deal with being groped by strangers.

If more people would simply choose not to fly if they don't have to the airlines would really complain to the government.
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The Groove Tiger (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:52am

Re:
The barrel is bursting.

The problem is it's now full of urine.
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Howard the Duck (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 7:57am

TSA fever
The TSA seems to be top on your list Mike. What happened to the rest of Tech?
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Gabriel Tane (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:02am

Re:
So how would this guy going through a metal detector (what was in place prior to the new scanners) carrying what amounts to a plastic bag and a rubber tube have caused said bag to burst? This was due to the scanner finding the bag and the pat-down bursting the bag.

Sounds like others are scraping the bottom of a barrel to find reasons as to why these searches are defendable.
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James B, 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:06am

I like the Sledgehammer reference.
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mjb5406 (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:10am

Re:
I said the very same thing several times... the thing is, Pistole is the one who brings this up all the time. His logic is ridiculous. As you pointed out, the would-be bomber's flight originated in Amsterdam, a bit outside of US jurisdiction.
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A Dan (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:13am

Re: TSA fever
5 of the 20 stories I see on the front page are about the scanning / patdown situation. Given that this is a new problem, I can see how it could grab 1/4 of the stories over a few days. Is 3/4 of stories on other topics not good enough?
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getitstraight, 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:14am

Re: Re: And as if that wasn't enough ...
Epic fail on your part. Completely unrelated to this story.
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mjb5406 (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:14am

Original Story...
According to the original story, TSA agents did NOT break the bag, they broke the seal that attached the urostomy bag's tubing to his body. Same end result, however... I doubt a pat-down would break a plastic bag, but certainly it could break a seal. I wear an insulin pump that has a similar (smaller) tube attached to me with an adhesive seal, and I can see how an aggressive pat-down could pull the seal off. It's ridiculous.
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chris (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:15am

Re: Fool me once
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A
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Brian, 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:24am

Trust me, I know what I'm doing
http://ishare.rediff.com/video/entertainment/sledge-hammer-s01e01-pilot-ac3-dvdrip-xvid-bs/1091626
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:29am

Why can't we just give people the option to fly "secure" flights with the current security theatre rules vs "unsecure" flights that just have you do the classic metal detector and bag scan. Then we will see what people REALLY want. We would see everyone fly secure if it SOOOO important to be safe once your on a plane vs being a significantly better target before/at the checkpoint.
Even though the interesting thing is that planes are a poor target now. There's no way to take them over unless the terrorist to hostage ratio is at least 2:1. Anything less leaves you with a bunch of people already believing they will definitely die no matter what they are told and that's a good recipe for pissed of mob with little left to lose.
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interval (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:41am

Re: Oi
You're a TSA agen, you are facing a bald, middle-aged white guy telling me he has a colostomy bag (or urine bucket, or whatever) attached to his stomach. He even shows you the bag. Do you:

A) Wave him through relatively secure that your gut instinct is correct: he's a bald, middle-aged white guy with a medical appliance attached to his body that will fail if you fool with it, and wave him on through.

B) Detain him, check out his story, what you can of background, and then wave him on through because you can never stay one step ahead of the "terrorists".

C) Grope him mercilessly until his urine bag breaks, then analyze the resulting liquid for explosives because you're a mindless Gov. droid and the procedures don't cover "urine bags".

Well, we all know which choice the Gov. opted for.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:43am

Do you get all your stories off reddit?
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interval (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:44am

Re:
Hey man, if Abdulmutallab had a urine bag he'd have been nailed for sure!! Or at least soaked in his own urine. And you know how Arabs are about bodily fluids...
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Ron Rezendes (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:46am

Why??
Why does the US Government feel the need to go through such invasive, uncomfortable and costly measures on US citizens and visitors who carry passports that identify them but leave the borders wide open?

If terrorists want access to US soil they could just walk into this country anywhere along the border with Mexico - hundreds, if not thousands of people do it every single day. My intuition tells me the next terrorist attack won't involve a person on a plane at all, but we'll keep spending our resources defending the dreaded boogeyman of the sky.

I suppose if a terrorist uses a tanker truck next we'll see ground transportation get new security measures that will raise the cost of anything moved in a truck. Knee jerk reactions and ridiculous spending in the name of "National Security" shows that the terrorists have already won - to a degree.

However, what really concerns me is the scope of the focus and attention spent on airlines which leads me to think that terrorists will concentrate on a new method of attack that simply avoids all of these air-related security measures. I can only hope that I'm wrong.
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Rob, 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:47am

Way too fixated on our nether regions
The TSA's fixation with our nether regions, to the exclusion of any other means of reducing air terrorism and to the ignorance of externalizing he costs of their methods is kind of like a crazy neighbor who snaps. He hears about a rabid squirrel in the neighborhood. Starts shooting at squirrels in his yard. Cuts down all his trees. Cuts down your trees. Trees fall on power lines, cut off your electricity and phone and cable but "that's the price you pay to be safe from the rabid squirrel." "Freedom isn't free". Trees fall across the street. Gotta keep the kids indoors lest something falls on them. Burn down a few houses, "we can't afford to let our guard down!"
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interval (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 8:48am

Re:
"Do you get all your stories off reddit?"

I don't read reddit, however, if its true, what does it matter? And you do know this story is true, don't you? I'm not even going to bother to post a link. Mr. Urine bag has been in interviewed by many major news outlets. You won't have to go far to find a link to the video with his interview in it.
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Greevar (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:00am

This might be a bit of a stretch,but...
Why don't we try to keep the terrorists from getting to the airport in the first place? If they are in a large building with lots of people, I think it's already gone too far.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:12am

I like how a trained drug/explosive dog + metal detector is far better at detection and quicker for security then this entire thing.
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Membiblio, 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:16am

By the People, for the People.
I'd like to see Pistole fired or forced to resign over his "Flying is a privilege" statement. I pay the airline well to fly - the TSA does not provide a plane and crew to me - big difference. What's next? Nutritional food is a 'privilege'? Access to essential information infrastructure is a 'privilege'? Read my mind Mr. Pistole ("**ck you sir").

It's hard to blame or get mad at someone trying to help you regardless of how they fumble. The TSA's heavy handed, uncaring approach is simply wrong and I blame Pistole. When they discover that they serve the public and approach security with a humble service oriented demeanor it's going to be hard to resent or blame them regardless of their fumbles.

Instead of a team effort it's become a 'us against them' attitude both for the traveler and for TSA employees. We're all Americans, all Citizens, all responsible. Until the TSA recognizes their position and responsibility - I hope they bear the brunt of America's anxiety over their attitude and I hope that American's continue to elegantly and persistently make their resentment known.

We can do better than Mr. Pistole, read my mind Sir.
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rec9140, 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:22am

Just say no
No one is saying no to this whole mess in the ONLY way to get this mess cleaned up from the start.

Just say NO to FLYING PERIOD!

Call up SW, AA, Delta/NW, JetBlue... and tell them

I am CANCELLING my reservation because of these security procedures.

I've made my choice.. I will fly no more. I love to fly, would love to have been a pilot.. NO MORE..I got what will be my last flight in before this nonsense started.

When the airlines are ready to go under, which other than SW won't take long. These people will beat a path to DC to get this stuff curtailed back to sanity.

Until you get the airlines to feel the pain of NO $$$ then your not going to get any where.
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Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:29am

Re: Original Story...
I'm sorry, but as far as I am concerned you are a terrorist. To get your name cleared I will need to pat you down and test your fluids for explosive contents. =D
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:31am

Re:
Agreed. 26 years of looking for enemies everywhere...
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:33am

Re:
On top of that, there are reports that none of the new scanners, etc, would have caught the chemicals Abdulmutallab was using.
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Prashanth (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:37am

Cargo Cult again
It's like the cargo cult all over again; there's a foiled attack, but instead of going for the people or for the intelligence they go for the (literal) cargo. Why?
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:37am

Re:
The argument would be that one insecure plane could threaten the lives of thousands of people, including many who had no prior involvement in that flight. This isn't just to protect the passengers on one flight, it's to protect all of America. So... no go.
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Chris Rhodes (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:40am

Re: Re: New TSA taglines...
Someone with artistic talent needs to take these lines and make them propaganda posters, quick.

Your wish is my command: Reason's Bumper Stickers
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Eugene (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:50am

Re: TSA fever
Considering this is all building up to the 24th, it'd be reasonable to expect lots of coverage on it.

Also, it's technically the definition of "dirt" being dished on "tech," so it fits.
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Revelati, 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:52am

Next time I'll just get a scuba tank and a refrigerator box and have myself shipped to my destination. As long as they pack me in next to the toner cartridges I won't need to worry about screening!
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Eugene (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:54am

Re: By the People, for the People.
What's next? Nutritional food is a 'privilege'?
Well the Tea Partiers have already made it clear that public health should be a 'privilege' so why not
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Rose M. Welch (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:57am

Re: Just goes to show..
...the TSA doesn't really train their people...

That is absolutely true. Here is a link to the report that explains this: http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/tsa-has-no-time-train-its-screeners
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Zangetsu (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:58am

Adam Savage and the TSA
You really need to see this. Adam Savage (Mythbusters) shows how none of this is actually working: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3yaqq9Jjb4
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Rose M. Welch (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:58am

Re: This might be a bit of a stretch,but...
Indeed.
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Rose M. Welch (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:59am

The TSA does not have time to train their screeners. That's why there are so many 'mistakes' and abuses.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/tsa-has-no-time-train-its-screeners
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Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 10:09am

Re: Re:
"The argument would be that one insecure plane could threaten the lives of thousands of people, including many who had no prior involvement in that flight. This isn't just to protect the passengers on one flight, it's to protect all of America. So... no go."

Maybe you're just trolling, but sorry, wrong.

There are only two things that have increased the safety of people in planes (and whatever they might be used to fly into) since 9/11.

1) Reinforced, locked doors to the pilot's cabin
2) As the first in the thread mentioned, passengers knowing if their plane gets taken over, they're gonna die and fighting back.

As soon as there's someone trying to break down the door to the pilot's cabin, the pilots will be on their comms letting ground control know what going on. Minutes later, there'll be a fighter jet alongside the plane ready to shoot it down if necessary.

No one on the ground will be any safer because a TSA agent breaks some guy's urine bag.

Give me a choice and I'll take the "unsecure" flight where I don't have to deal with minimum wage rent-a-cops on power trips (apologies to the genuine hard-working security officers who are actually doing their jobs correctly by treating passengers with dignity).
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scarr (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 10:10am

(S)He was asking for it.
The TSA's message is that we don't have to fly, so by choosing to fly, we're agreeing to their security protocols being imposed on us. I think it'd be effective in countering this thinking by simplifying their position to "s/he was asking for it" (or "you were asking for it", as the case may be). It isn't inaccurate with their stance at all, but points out how absurd their behaviour and attitude are.
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vilain (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 10:13am

This Pistole guy needs to go
Replace this idiot with someone who's been trained by the Israelis.
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btrussell (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 10:16am

Re:
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5778551&tt=s
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Overcast (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 10:38am

Guilty until Proven Innocent.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 10:50am

Re:
No, it couldn't have. Because before the new policy, TSA agents used a wand or a gentle pat down, not a firm running of hands over the body.

I have 5 lbs of metal in my spine, stabilizing where several vertebrae broke, where disks had been removed.

I dread going through the new screening process because ANY PRESSURE put on that area causes immediate, unimaginable excrutiating pain. And in spite of the medical passport from y=my doctor, there is NO leeway for people with medical problems with this new screening.

The minute one of those goons presses on my back, I will be prepared to sue because I have documentation of the injury, the treatment and why it's not a good idea to have pressure placed on that area.

And I hope the poor guy in the article sues. There's absolutely NO reason for the TSA to "forcefully" pat down a medical device or an injury.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 10:58am

Re: Why??
Sadly, you're not wrong.

In NJ, the Turnpike runs right next to a major power generating station, several petroleum processing/storage facilities, etc. All it takes is one small terrorist cell with cars and hand-held rocket launchers to knock out vital infrastructure. If they take out the power generating station most of Nj and probably half of NYC will go dark.

And it could/most likely would lead to a repeat of the failure cascade of a few years ago that left NYC and a good part of the Northeast dark for nearly a week.

The train tracks run next to the Turnpike as well, and many of the tanker cars transport the oil and other chemicals to/from the refineries. There is no security in place to protect these facilities.

They are a bigger, more immediate threat to anyone in the NY/NJ region than any individual or group flying out of JFK, LGA or Newark.

There are so many more immediate threats to our citizens than air travel. Why the heck doesn't anyone else see this?
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Chronno S. Trigger (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 11:12am

Re: Re: Re: New TSA taglines...
Try that again, I'm getting a 404.
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ppartekim (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 11:45am

Re: Re: Oi
is the liquid over 3 ounces?
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btrussell (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 11:50am

Re: Re: Re: Re: New TSA taglines...
http://reason.com/blog/2010/11/22/as-you-prepare-for-holiday-tra
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Alias (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 11:57am

Covered in urine
I am paralyzed from the chest down. If this incident happened to me after explicitly attempting to inform them of the issue, I would be absolutely enraged. This type of callous insensitivity to one's medical requirements is inexcusable and a frickin apology from Pistole' just doesn't cover the humiliation and extreme inconvenience involved.

Absolutely disgraceful.
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Chris Rhodes (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 12:07pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: New TSA taglines...
Weird, it works for me.

Might have been a temporary hiccup.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 12:42pm

http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2010/11/23/tsa-pat-downs-disabilities/11387/

Now the TSA has established a protocol that disabled travelers will be selected to receive the pat down method instead of being able to opt for the scanner.

If you use a wheelchair, cane, other assistive device, a service or seeing eye dog? Welcome to gropeland.

Oh ACLU, are you out there? That's just plain discrimination.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 12:56pm

Re: Re: Re:
"apologies to the genuine hard-working security officers who are actually doing their jobs correctly by treating passengers with dignity"

There is no such thing. People work for TSA because they no other options, not because they really care. Besides, if you had that job because you care and you genuinely want that job, how long would it be before you got fed up with a never ending stream of people pissed at you for doing that job?

No apology necessary. We need policy changes not apologies.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 12:57pm

Re:
You act like this is something new.
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Cowardly Anon, 23 Nov 2010 @ 1:07pm

Found this last night. Think it applies :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZfbTlYpKYo
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hmm, 23 Nov 2010 @ 1:56pm

Re:
In amsterdam you get fondled BEFORE you get on the plane...and you gotta pay for the privilege ...erm so I heard....I forget where :)
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hmm, 23 Nov 2010 @ 2:01pm

Re: Why??
Truckers to get intimate pat-downs before starting the truck at each rest stop? I think they probably get that anyway in the bathrooms....

2012...the year of 50,000 applicants for each minimum wage trucker job (with free TSA-supplied handjob at every break point)...
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hmm, 23 Nov 2010 @ 2:07pm

step 1
Turn up for the flight in an ultra-skin tight spandex suit that leaves NOTHING to the imagination!
step 2
Travel with an embarassingly enormous salami down their skintight pants....

Approach the pat-down area, giggle like a schoolgirl and say "careful son, my little guy has a bit of a hair trigger if you know what I mean!"

or after the pat-down ask to speak to a supervisor...then ask to speak to HIS supervisor...when the higher level guy arrives ask him if the pat-downs come with a happy ending...say you're willing to pay!
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hmm, 23 Nov 2010 @ 2:09pm

forgot to say
When talking to the supervisor, don't forget to refer to the pat-down TSA staff as "your silky-handed fondle bitches"
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nasch (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 3:52pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
People work for TSA because they no other options, not because they really care.

Why must those groups be mutually exclusive?
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Bill gates, 23 Nov 2010 @ 4:51pm

Re: Re: And as if that wasn't enough ...
Mike C. (profile), Nov 23rd, 2010 @ 7:13am
False according to Snopes

Utter Crap. The Snope article is about a false report by a gutter press newspaper of a scanner operator caught masturbating over scanner images . . . nothing to do with urine bags!
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 5:11pm

Re: Re: Re: And as if that wasn't enough ...
"Utter Crap. The Snope article is about a false report by a gutter press newspaper of a scanner operator caught masturbating over scanner images . . . nothing to do with urine bags!"

Learn to read in threaded mode people.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 5:50pm

Re: New TSA taglines...
"Can't see London, Can't see France, Unless we see you without underpants" would be more accurate.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Nov 2010 @ 9:20pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
if you had that job because you care and you genuinely want that job, how long would it be before you got fed up with a never ending stream of people pissed at you for doing that job?
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Mel (profile), 23 Nov 2010 @ 10:42pm

Reminds me of a Bush line ...
Pistole, you're doin' a heckuva job!
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Johndoe, 24 Nov 2010 @ 8:36am

Wondering.. website?
Is there a website documented how many attacks (with proof) were twarted and prevented by TSA?
so far I've seen NOTHING.
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nasch (profile), 24 Nov 2010 @ 11:00am

Re: Wondering.. website?
I don't think even the TSA has claimed they've stopped any attacks.
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Patrick Cooper, 29 Dec 2010 @ 8:20pm

Hey.... make sure your bag does not have more than 3.4 ounces of pee in it.......
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ббб, 8 Jan 2011 @ 11:56pm

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so few ppl would choose the 'unsecure' flights, that the flight would schedule about once a month, and the ticket price would barely cover the costs of the oar.

anyway, the privatize everything ppl would probably prefer the government-does-nothing-useful tsa be replaced by a privatized tsa as successfully demonstrated by 103/lockerbie
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ббб, 9 Jan 2011 @ 12:01am

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interesting thing is that planes are a poor target now.
suicide bombing a teaparty protest would earn more virgin goats in paradise, especially since bunches of baggers would pull out their weapons to 'defend' themselves against an (actually vaporized) enemy.
however, unlike parah stalin, i will not tweet a map of "ripe targets".
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nasch (profile), 9 Jan 2011 @ 12:08pm

Re: Re:
so few ppl would choose the 'unsecure' flights, that the flight would schedule about once a month, and the ticket price would barely cover the costs of the oar.

At least then the public would have chosen, rather than having the choice made for us. (Oar? Aren't we talking about planes, not rowboats?)
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