How Bin Laden Emailed Without Internet: Sneakernet-To-The-Home
from the well,-that's-one-way-to-do-things dept
There have been plenty of reports about how the compound where Bin Laden apparently lived for the past few years had no phone or internet connections (and, in fact, that was part of what tipped US intelligence off to who was in there). However, at the same time, it was known that Al Qaeda regularly used email to communicate, leading some to assume that Bin Laden wasn't as involved. However, new reports from the technology seized at the compound apparently show that Bin Laden was a regular emailer, he just used a human courier to act as the "last mile" between his computer and the network in order to avoid detection:Holed up in his walled compound in northeast Pakistan with no phone or Internet capabilities, bin Laden would type a message on his computer without an Internet connection, then save it using a thumb-sized flash drive. He then passed the flash drive to a trusted courier, who would head for a distant Internet cafe.Of course, this also means that the emails were stored, meaning that US officials now have a bunch of email info. What's interesting is that the AP article suggests this means the feds will now issue a ton of National Security Letters to get info on those accounts. What I'm wondering is why use NSLs in this situation, when it shouldn't be difficult at all to get a full warrant from a court? It seems that they would have plenty of info to get a warrant. So why use NSLs?
At that location, the courier would plug the memory drive into a computer, copy bin Laden's message into an email and send it. Reversing the process, the courier would copy any incoming email to the flash drive and return to the compound, where bin Laden would read his messages offline.
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Why don't they release the Bin-Laden's death photos? The world will come to an end? But then they released the death photos of Saddam Hussein. and guess what? The world didn't come to an end (on top of that a Hussein death video even leaked).
Far be it for the government to make sense.
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I heard a rumor Bin-Laden died in like 2004(?) and they tossed his body off the ship where they executed him... who'd they kill lately then?
/super-sarc!
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Get rid of the ignorant morons like yourself first.
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Cooking the numbers
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In fact if a court is given the information about the email accounts a court then has a duty to keep that information on record, even if under seal it is still on file somewhere and might at some later date be either leaked, given out under FOIA or some other legal means. Especially since courts are by definition public entities, and supposedly are not beholden to the other two branches of government.
So if for example, hypothetically of course ;) , one or more of those email accounts were either to ex CIA buddies of OBL or even the Bush family, well..... you get the idea.
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Also, Mike discusses what he finds interesting. He can wonder about things. Some people wonder why the sky is blue. "but it's dumb, why worry about it". What's even dumber is for you to worry about others who worry about things that you find no interest in (ie: because you think they don't matter). Some people may think art is dumb and that artists shouldn't worry about creating art.
Mike posts what he finds interesting and many people come to his blog because they find what he posts to be interesting. If you don't like it, why not visit a blog that worries about things that matter to you. Or start your own blog.
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and your worrying about his worrying is any better?
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Why?
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That's just what they'd be expecting us to do!
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NSLs have a gag order built in
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treasure trove?
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I would expect the U.S. to "leak" some more "critical details" within the next two weeks. This should be true, whether or not they really have access to a load of unencrypted emails, as they just need to convince Al Qaeda that this is true.
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I'm wondering though if there was a "In Case of Death" package placed somewhere that is about to see the light of day that could seriously embarrass, even more than it already has been, the USG and other 'allied' intelligent services and corporate interests.
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Can't you contest a warrant? A NSL isn't subject to an approval or appeal process.
Guess #2: If you look for a warrant, you are treating the targets as criminals, not militants. That might mean shakey legal ground when they try to kill said militants. (Lookup what Osama's son said about the legality of the raid to see what I mean.)
Guess #3: The information is classified and seeking a warrant would violate that security clearance.
IANAL, though, so please folks, feel free to comment. (Who am I kidding, you would anyway.)
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Because the raid on UBL's compound was not legal?
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Necessary, yes. Legal, no. The killing of Osama bin Laden was another thing altogether.... neither legal nor necessary to shoot an UNARMED man, except that some 'secrets' might have come to light that our government might not have liked... perhaps CIA involvement in Al-Qaeda.
Yes, people... it is QUITE possible that the CIA have had people in Al-Qaeda for years.
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NSL or Warrant.
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there are several reasons for tracability
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You really believe the Main Stream Media?
They can't come up with a shred of proof to back up their claims about killing him. It's a huge information war going on. Governments and Corporations are desperate to influence what we think and believe.
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NOTTINGHAMSHIRE SENIOR LEAGUE which is to do with soccer.
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like my old boss
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Why NSLs?
1. Democracy=checks_and_balances; dictatorship=unilateral action. As George Bush said (and I am NOT sure he was joking!) "a dictatorship is a lot easier".
2. While there is a place for security (and I would love to see a CIVILIAN panel passing on what should or should not be classified!), when secrecy has been in place for a long time, it degenerates into a means to protect the guilty; and eliminating democratic checks and balances is a first step.
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