Google Being More Aggressive About Bad Patents; But Should It Go Even Further?
from the the-evil-of-patents dept
A lot of people are pointing us to Google's latest blog post on patents, in which it very aggressively talks about the danger of bad patents, specifically when it comes to hindering future innovations around Android. Most of the article focuses on theNortel patent purchase, and notes the oddity of Apple and Microsoft actually working together on something (an issue that is raising some Justice Department interest). This follows on Google recently becoming more vocal about problems with the patent system:A smartphone might involve as many as 250,000 (largely questionable) patent claims, and our competitors want to impose a “tax” for these dubious patents that makes Android devices more expensive for consumers. They want to make it harder for manufacturers to sell Android devices. Instead of competing by building new features or devices, they are fighting through litigation.A few years back, there were some stories about how Google's legal department was willing to take on big important issues, not just because they would help Google, but because it would strengthen the overall internet and innovation. That obviously would help Google too, but there was a sense that the company would fight for issues beyond just those that impacted Google. In recent years the company seemed to shy away from some of those fights, so it would be interesting to see if fighting against bad patents brings Google back around.
This anti-competitive strategy is also escalating the cost of patents way beyond what they’re really worth. Microsoft and Apple’s winning $4.5 billion for Nortel’s patent portfolio was nearly five times larger than the pre-auction estimate of $1 billion. Fortunately, the law frowns on the accumulation of dubious patents for anti-competitive means — which means these deals are likely to draw regulatory scrutiny, and this patent bubble will pop.
Of course, as some are noting, even as Google is getting vocal, it appears to be pulling some punches -- focusing on the specific patent problems it faces, rather than speaking out against the fundamental problems of the patent system itself. In fact, nearly a month ago, Glyn Moody wrote an excellent piece explaining how Google's best line of attack here would be to go after the very concept of software patents, something the company hasn't shown a willingness to do just yet.
My guess is that the company would certainly be behind an effort to do away with software patents, but that it recognizes that it's a massive uphill battle at this point. Tim Lee, in the Forbes link above, argues that it actually makes a lot of sense for Google to "stick its neck out" on software patents being a problem. Not only would an awful lot of developers (both inside and outside the company) support Google if it came out against software patents, it would also help to establish Google's overall position in its legal battles. Many patent lawsuits are about just getting companies like Google to pay up. If Google takes a public stand that it doesn't believe any software patents are valid, then it also sends a signal that it will fight such shakedown attempts in court as far as it can go. That can help scare off the trolls, who are just hoping for a quick payout.
In the end, I don't think Google will take such a step, but I think it would be a welcome addition to the discussion. In the last few weeks, with the This American Life patent episode and the Economist's recent worries about patents, it seems this issue is finally getting some mainstream recognition. A push from Google might help it go even further, and finally breakthrough the clutter.
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Do Google have a history of suing other companies for infringing their patents?
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Destroying the idiotic concept of a software "patent"...
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Even if it's punching only the patents thrown at them or the smartphone market, they are rising awareness to the problem, which may be good while they don't get punched back (at least not oo much).
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i think the better approach would be to work on the legislative angle. if google was willing to spend 3 billion on patent, think what 3 billion in lobbyists would buy them.
stop throwing things! i was joking! ...sort of.
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A lot of people felt slow progression was the right choice. But it takes so long to bring up enough precedents to cite, to actually change the system for the better.
Google shouldn't back down. In all honesty, it's in the same boat as consumers. The more the internet closes off to Google, the more it closes for us, the end users that fund them. It should be fighting the patent minefield. It should be fighting against the Patriot Act. Google should also fight against the copyright legislative issues, because it weakens Google's position, while strengthening those that don't want change.
Should Google maintain the status quo? Or should it become a disruptive force for it's "don't be evil" moniker? I'd prefer they go with the latter sooner rather than later.
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If patents and copyrights where applied to politics would politicians be happy about it?
Could one party stop another from doing something because it was patented? Could political parties be sued for copyright infringement since they often times copy one speech from another, could political processes be patented? Could any politician be stopped by being elected?
Same with law would justice work under those assumptions?
So why is that they want others forced to work under such conditions?
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Microsoft just launched a hunt for security solutions to solve big problems the first focusing on trying to eliminate memory exploits.
Now if Microsoft patents that crap and protects it with copyright could they hold other out for 200 years?
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What - like buffer overflow? Eliminate - lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overflow
Buffer overflow mitigation techniques have been around for some time, writing good code is the best solution.
"Now if Microsoft patents that crap and protects it with copyright could they hold other out for 200 years?"
I doubt they will be allowed a patent upon good coding practices, but stranger things have happened.
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This thing will eventually create means to identify bad code and anything that complies with "good code" guidelines would probably infringe on that patent.
Silly right?
Well I thought CSS dropdown menus patents were silly too.
Patents also don't need to be crystal clear they can be vague and broad so I wouldn't laugh that hard just yet.
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*clicks the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button
*goes off to cry in a corner
Despite Google being a powerhouse player, it's unfortunate their size has a drawback by those very politicians who actively seek out bad legislation to pass because, to them, Google is the reason why these laws are made.
They're the evil, not the patent system.
It would be like Goliath asking Congress to do something about rocks because some little shit is throwing them at him for no reason other than the fact he's a giant.
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But this IS illegal.. hate crimes like assault, harrasment, etc.
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Would the tax payers be happy to pay billions of dollars in fees just to have access to security tools and keep the government safe?
Not to mention the popular backlash that is already happening.
Lodsys is the first to have been target by a group of individuals.
Method and Apparatus for Kicking Ass
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/06/two-more-lawsuits-against-lodsys-by-new.html
http: //www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/08/01/indie_developer_organizing_against_lodsys_patent_trolls_wit h_operation_anthill.html
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/26/138576167/when-patents-attack
So Google may get help from the indie population.
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Why carpenters, cleaning crews, Judges, police, firefighters, waitress, maids can't have those protections for their contributions for society?
Would it be ok to patent a method and apparatus to fight a house fire and force every firemen to pay for it when it is used?
In every walk of life there is someone developing something to easy his work why should they not get the same protections?
Why is that just a subset of society is given that privilege?
The answer is because those "protections" are harmful.
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Quite a bit of money to spend on "bogus" patents.
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So, you think that just because a company is willing to pay a lot of money for a patent, that it's automatically legitimate? If so, you just haven't been paying attention. You can search Techdirt for "defensive patent", but here's a good place to start...
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110729/03340615311/definition-defensive-patent-is-bad -patent.shtml
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Since they can't have them, now they don't want anyone else to have them either.
It's funny as heck watching Mike cheering on Google like this. Talk about flip flopping to whoever fulfils you agenda for the day.
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No, not really, when the "bogus" laws allow for the filing of countless "bogus" lawsuits for supposed infringement of those "bogus" patents. It's much cheaper and easier to buy them and not have to worry about being threatened with them.
p.s. All software patents are bullshit, period.
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YES! "regulatory scrutiny, and this patent bubble will pop"!
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GOOD NEWS!
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Patent reform
I have been thinking about it a lot, and nearly all modern patents, and certainly ALL software patents, should be abolished.
There is no question, in my mind, that patents the way the founders intended for them to work are good, and encourage innovation, but I know of no mainstream patents of today of any type that are not harming the economy.
And I am an IP attorney.
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Patent reform
I have been thinking about it a lot, and nearly all modern patents, and certainly ALL software patents, should be abolished.
There is no question, in my mind, that patents the way the founders intended for them to work are good, and encourage innovation, but I know of no mainstream patents of today of any type that are not harming the economy.
And I am an IP attorney.
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