Ante Upped Some More: $2,500 For John Sununu And Harold Ford Jr. To Pay Netflix's Broadband Bills
from the crickets dept
On Tuesday, we questioned John Sununu and Harold Ford Jr.'s assertion that Netflix was somehow getting a "free ride" on the internet these days, by asking if they'd be willing to swap broadband bills with the company for the rest of the year. On Wednesday we upped the ante, by offering to give each man $500 if they'd pay Netflix's broadband bill for the final quarter of the year. $500 would come from Derek Kerton who suggested it, and another $500 would come from us at Techdirt. Since then, a few more people have contacted me and offered (anonymously) to put up another $1,500 between them. So we're now up to $2,500 total (or $1,250 each) if John Sununu and Harold Ford Jr. agree to pay Netflix's broadband bills for the months of October, November and December. Or, you know, they could admit that their op-ed was misleading claptrap. Of course, their failure to accept this "free" money sorta makes that statement for them.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Filed Under: bandwidth, broadband, economics, free ride, harold ford jr., john sununu, net neutrality
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El Trolliosis
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I understand very much how networking works. But John Sununu And Harold Ford Jr. are not network engineers, are they? They have had it explained to them the best they can, likely having the transit companies coming along saying that they will not add any more transit bandwidth because "nobody is paying for it", and they are putting 2 and 2 together.
Once you understand that the vast majority of people have no clue how the internet works (or like some of us, weren't around as it was getting built), you would understand what they are saying.
In a very narrow way, they are correct. Netflix is not directly paying for the transit they use.
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So, in a very narrow way, I'm not paying for farmers to grow my food. Since I'm only directly paying for my fresh veggies at the supermarket, I'm freeloading on the backs of farmers!
(/sarc off)
That statement is wrong in every way possible, and not correct even in a very narrow way.
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BZZZZZZ.....
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We all pay /collectively/ for infrastructure, shock for "capitalists",
Otherwise, this is the lamest post of yours that I can recall, Mike; previous on this "topic" next lamest. You know perfectly well that those dolts aren't doltish enough to take you seriously when you set conditions to your liking.
But you haven't proved anything by it except that you /think/ that you really zinged them.
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Re: We all pay /collectively/ for infrastructure, shock for "capitalists",
- you used Mike, not Masnick;
- you forgot to mention the freetards;
- you said something useful in your first paragraph - bo-hoo good trolls are TOTALLY clueless.
Learn 2 troll.
Ahem. I do agree with your first post. Entirely. And it happens to be in line with my thoughts of copyright.
Also, Mike is just having fun bashing the cluelessness (how do I write that?) of those gentlemen in a very good example of humor (and maybe sarcasm). Mike doesn't mean to be taken seriously with this 'challenge'.
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[Citation Needed]
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Ok, you're fed. Need the salt?
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Netflix uses a CDN
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Not to spoil the joke
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"Netflix: ISPs who charge by the gigabyte are ridiculous"
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/01/netflix-charging-by-the-gigabyte-is-rid iculous.ars
From article:
"Wired ISPs have large fixed costs of building and maintaining their last mile network of residential cable and fiber. The ISPs’ costs, however, to deliver a marginal gigabyte, which is about an hour of viewing, from one of our regional interchange points over their last mile wired network to the consumer is less than a penny, and falling, so there is no reason that pay-per-gigabyte is economically necessary. Moreover, at $1 per gigabyte over wired networks, it would be grossly overpriced."
How many hours of streams do they do/day?
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Yes they were misleading
Recently, Netflix in the WSJ editorialized against caps and usage based fees on broadband consumers. I think Sununu et al are responding to that issue.
Sununu and his cronies are (badly) trying to say that the current popular ISP business model of overselling bandwidth to consumers is extremely beneficial to Netflix. If consumers really paid for guaranteed 24/7 unlimited data at advertised rates,they'd be paying the same huge fees that businesses have to pay. It's only thanks to the fact that at any one time a great number of their customers are using very little bandwidth that they are able to advertise to you and me bandwidth at the prices that they do.
Sununu is being misleading by saying that it's netflix that's not paying for the their data rates. He's really getting at the fact that you and I are getting (sorta?) cheaper than real rates subsidized by those who aren't using a lot of bandwidth. And if that subsidy went away (e.g. if consumers buy into [theoretically] cheaper usage-based services), netflix would find itself with fewer customers.
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My question is who are these politicians turned lobbyist lobbying for and why?
Is it the ISP's, (cable companies) who are wanting more Government subsidies for maintaining their cables (Infrastructure), along with help against Netfjix, who is competing with their own streaming on demand services, by increasing "passed on" operating costs for Netflix and thus decreasing their market share?
Or the movie industry, looking for Fee funded subsidies,as a way to put Netflix out of business (or at least pay a lot more), because Netflix is cutting into profits that they feel they are entitled to, but dont know how to implement a profitable service for?
Maybe its both. A perfect storm.
Although I like the way Mike is approaching the misleading statements of these politicians/lobbyists, I would really like full disclosure of who they are representing and why.
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Netflix's Hyman saw the market already moving that way in the wireless data market and pointed out that the anti-competitive nature of our internet ISP situation may leave consumers stuck with the situation:
"Given that bandwidth is cheap and plentiful and will only grow more so with time, there is no good reason for bandwidth caps and fees to take root.
Consumers and regulators need to take heed of what is happening and avoid winding up like the proverbial frog in a pot of boiling water. It's time to jump before it's too late."
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Maybe its time to abolish more (or all) of the cable/telco monopolies, force free use of the cables (infrastructure), and let others, like Netflix, become internet/content providers themselves. After all, the infrastructure was paid for by the customers, government subsidies, and the allwoing of their monopolies a long time ago
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just curious, cause it kinda seems like internet posturing by the third post, if there's not even a dialogue happening with them.
we'd have more impact raiding their comments section 4chan style.
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I'm not really seeing that, TBH.
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I think you are blinded by the koolaid. These posts drive traffic on td and that's it. I can't believe I'm wasting my time telling you this.
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Perfect way to describe td too. I guess you like shit on your shoe.
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a la Colbert
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Typical Masnickism
what next ?? bribery ?
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Don't let your mouth write cheques your ass can't catch.
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Don't let your mouth write cheques you ass can't CASH !!!
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Keeps it in line with CYA.
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Above statement was to sum up article, not directed to you.
First sentence only was to you.
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I was never really sure whether you were trolling or just stupid. Now, obvious troll is obvious etc. Time for a new nick, darryl.
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