Sex, Drugs... And Facebook? Moral Panic Police Blaming Social Networks For Kids Being Kids
from the correlation-vs.-causation dept
Ah, the moral panic police are out in force yet again. A recent report from the "National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse" is getting some attention for a study which claims that teens who spend more time on social networking sites like Facebook are five times more likely to drink, smoke and take drugs. The study also found that kids who watch reality shows are also more likely to take drugs as well. And, of course, they seem to automatically assume the causal relationship is in that direction:"The anything goes, free-for-all world of Internet expression and suggestive television programming that teens are exposed to on a daily basis puts them at increased risk of substance abuse," said Joseph A. Califano, Jr., CASA Columbia's founder and chairman, in a statement.It seems we have a classic conflation of correlation and causation. You could just as easily suggest that taking drugs, smoking and drinking lead teens to spend more time on Facebook. Or, more likely, it's a third factor. The general type of teen who is more likely to be active on a social network is also more likely to be active in the sort of social activities that teens are involved in -- which (despite some adults' denial) still includes drinking, smoking and taking drugs (sex too, I imagine). But pinning the blame on social networking is silly. I would bet that the same kids probably use text messaging more often. Would CASA also say that text messaging "puts kids at increased risk." Correlation is not causation and since the "National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse" is based at Columbia University, you'd think that someone there was familiar with this basic concept.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14738551
It should be a joke, but I am not sure LOL! The site seems legit.
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http://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp
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Also one should plot a graph of sexuality while attending school showing how bad it is to go to college.
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So obviously, hanging on out FB as a parent keeps your kids away from drugs and alcohol.
And people told me this parenting thing would be difficult.
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In the spirit of fucking up correlation and causation, I can only assume that you drink and do drugs heavily.
Yay! This is fun!
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There was a time when my parents thought that about, too...
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Five times more likely than who? Those that sit still inside a sterilized bubble, with no connection to the outside world?
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Dah! I thought I'd included a link, but I didn't. Fixed.
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Extravert
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On the other hand, it would at least keep the bloody stupid little shits where I wouldn't have to put up with them. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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No, and why the hell would I want to talk to one of them?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PiratesVsTemp%28en%29.svg
http://www.venganza.org/a bout/open-letter/
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The RIAA did it...
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There may only be a single Nina Paley fan in each state (unproven), but the internet allows all 50 of them to get together and chat and act like everything Nina does is somehow perfect. Without the internet, the other 49 wouldn't be in contact with them, and they may doubt the perfection that is Nina Paley.
The internet has also allowed people who are sick with very rare diseases to get in contact with others with the same illness. There may only be a dozen of them on the planet, but they can group together and find whatever support they can as a result.
Taken to it's next step, the internet also allows marginal people in society to have a way to meet others similar to them. The usual situation cited would be child predators (thing about the children). There may only be 1 or 2 perverts in your town, but in thousands of towns, that is a huge collection of perverts encouraging each other allow, offering "support" and trading "proof" videos and images. They can perhaps take someone who has these sick fantasies but has never acted on them, and provide them the needed information and support to act upon those urges.
It also means that your child, rather than being exposed to only a couple of local perverts, is exposed to a net packed full of perverts, people who will fly or drive hours if they think they have met the perfect victim online.
Basically, the internet is a "to the power of N" increase in both positive and negative exposures, and has increased the risks as a result.
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Possible but unlikely, since the majority of rapes occur at the hands of someone that is close to the victim and according to some 2/3 of all rapes is the number.
http://www.rainn.org/statistics
And according to wikipedia reporting the UN numbers the US is king of rapes leading the pack with 90 thousands cases of rape while in other countries it doesn't even get into the 10's of thousands.
Which leads me to believe that this probably is more of a cultural thing, and how the US is counting as rape.
The US can't be that much removed from other countries.
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Easy test
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If only we had a few years without anything we could stop kids from drinking and having sex and doing drugs.
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i think if anything sex among teenagers has gone down since it was once common for teenagers to get married
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He should not have done this, though. People distrusted this report and asked for facts, scientific data and whatever more. There was none...
Then they started asking for facts and research data for his other publications... Still none.
And now this Professor is suspended, probably to lose his tenure and all his publications are now suspected to be untrue.
So, this research looks like Diederik Stapel wrote it. Then again, he's probable not the only unreliable professor. As long as these people are encouraged to just publish a lot, there will always be some fraudulous publications just for the heck of it...
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Mike's knee-jerk reaction to any moralizing.
So what I think far more interesting are the unending rants by hippie types such as Mike who object to ANY suggestion that kids might better spend their time than by "social networking" or playing video games.
He's thrown an irrelevant buzzword of "statistics" over it here, but the simple fact is that Mike is a "rebel without a cause", doesn't hold to any noticeable standard except that /he's/ an authority (that's the basis of asserting that "statistics" disprove the quote, though Mike just exaggerated in order to trot out his specialty). Hence his sneering tone at "moral panic", when it's merely an obvious observation of yet more societal decline.
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Have you ever heard the old saying that you find what you look for in people?
If you look for cess, you will find it. If you look for friendship, communication, knowledge, companionship, music, movies, and human beings you will find them.
Some people are trash. Some are saints. It's always been that way and always will be.
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in short, there's a basic assymetry encapsulated in wit: Put a barrel of wine into a cesspool, you get sewage. Put a drop of sewage into a barrel of wine, you get sewage.
Just regard me as a Sanitation Engineer.
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Better idea, I'll just disregard you.
You've failed at that so far, sonny. Trying to excise upsetting thoughts from your consciousness shows that your beliefs aren't very strong. So just stick your fingers in your ears and hum loudly.
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Ummm... could you please explain how that is self-evident? I've heard the same thing said about comic books, movies, chess and the waltz - yet society has so far failed to crumble.
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You? I never pegged you as a moralist dictator, blue...
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How does that even begin to relate to the idea that the internet is immoral?
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Is it now? Interesting. How has it affected you then? Have you gone berserk recently? How much booze, drugs and sex have you had today? I ask because you are a recurring character here on Techdirt, so I assume that you spend a lot of time online.
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Like trolling blogs?
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What is a shame is that occasionally you do have a valid point and can formulate an argument every so often - unlike a particular AC I can think of. A shame that you so often waste this talent on contraria bull, though.
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That's 'The Maz' to you. Only freetards get to call him Mike.
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What an empty off-topic response. You freetards don't grasp that you detract from the site with vacuity. At least I've drawn out a few yips. -- And if are ANY more like the above, I JUST MAY NOT BE BACK!
[Sigh. I'm afraid some WILL take that bait.]
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Oh yeah? I can make up words too. You're a festezio.
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That might have been have been a lot funnier if out_of_the_blue hadn’t used a real word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vacuity
As for out_of_the_blue's comments in general, all I'm going to say is this: A mind is a terrible thing to lose.
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Ooof. Sorry about the double vision thing there.
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In the proverbial "good ol' days", a teen in rural America would have to get in Daddy's pick 'em up truck and drive three towns over and hope that his druggie friends were there too in order to have a night of debauchery. With texting and social media, you can cook up a party in less then 10 seconds.
Similarly, a man who's unhappy in his relationship these days need only set up an online profile and within hours, he'll find an old girlfriend or someone willing to cheat with him. Used to, it took a lot more planning and "late nights in the office", etc. to put something like that together.
No, social media doesn't cause the kinds of people who do those things to do those things. But I think social media facilitates and accelerates those behaviors for those who are already so inclined. Fortunately, social media is also very trackable so people get caught more easily as well.
The Zuck gives, and the Zuck takes away. =)
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Reality shows...
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Watch out! Hanging out on Facebook...
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An incredible finding when you take into account the fact that kids who spend more time on Facebook have less time to socialize in real life, which would equate to less time doing the aforementioned "immoral" behavior.
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As for reality TV, you'd have to be on crack to even vaguely enjoy most of it. Perhaps a niche marketing outlet for dealers is possible there?
American Idol - Sponsored by 'Heroin: For when Pot doesn't distort your reality enough'
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No? Cos kids never ever ever lie about taking drugs or how much they've been getting the ol' nasty, just so's they can look a bit cool.
Perhaps spending so much time with all this pointless nonsense has made them utterly fatalist about lie and they're all determined to die by the age of 23 to avoid having to watch yet another season of utter bunkum.
Or perhaps there might be a class/educational link towards these two factors... nah that's silly.
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Casual Sex
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