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Fri, Sep 9th 2011 5:50am — Nina Paley

Good ol’ GEMA.

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Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 6:16am

Remind us all again exactly how much of your "content" was destroyed.

*shakes head*
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- Chronno S. Trigger (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 7:11am
  
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  Well, I can't speak for Nina, but I can say that you don't have to have your content destroyed to speak out for those who have.
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  - Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 7:19am
    
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    Yeah, but Nina is claiming Gema destroys content. Once again, the content of her cartoon just isn't true. I do suspect the Techdirt sheeple will fall for it though.
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    - Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 7:23am
      
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      "Yeah, but Nina is claiming Gema destroys content. Once again, the content of her cartoon just isn't true. I do suspect the Techdirt sheeple will fall for it though."
      
      No, GEMA destroyed POTENTIAL views of Sita. You people love potential things, don't you? Like potential sales being "destroyed" or "taken away" or "stolen" or "booty-raped"? We're just taking a page out of your book, homey.
      
      Yo dawg, we heard you liked putting all your eggs in potential baskets, so put the word potential in front of stuff to make our arguments almost make sense if you smack yourself in the face with a hammer several times. U mad?
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      - Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:02am
        
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        You really want to argue potential because it is to your benefit? If it is a valid argument, much of the "debunking" on techdirt has failed. If it is a bullshit argument, then Nina is full of it.
        
        Which one is it, big boy?
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        Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:17am
        
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        But you want to NOT argue potential since it doesn't suit YOUR argument. If that's the case, much of the crying about lost potential sales has failed.
        
        Which one is it, little guy?
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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:21am
        
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        I argue nothing. You brought it up. Is potential valid, and Mike is full of it, or is potential bullshit, and Nina is full of it?
        
        Two choices, you get to make one.
        
        (oh yeah, if you look around, that is the wet paint on the floor all around you, and this is the corner).
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        Atkray (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:26am
        
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        Could you please post a link to whatever application you use to obfuscate posts I would like to try it out.
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        Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:30am
        
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        I see. So I make a whimsical comment utilizing the tactics you bring up all the time, you then argue against your own tactics, completely missing the irony and humor behind my comment (WHOOOOSH!), and somehow you've convinced yourself that YOU'VE painted ME in the corner?
        
        Buddy, give me whatever you're on, because ignorance must truly be bliss....
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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:41am
        
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        Oh, nice attempt not to answer.
        
        What is it DH? Is Mike full of it for claiming that potential is meaningless, or is Nina full of it for claiming that Gema destroyed her (whatever it is) because it destroyed her potential?
        
        I await your answer, not a deflection.
        
        Come on. Your a big boy. Man up and give us an answer.
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        Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:58am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
        "Is Mike full of it for claiming that potential is meaningless"
        
        No.
        
        "or is Nina full of it for claiming that Gema destroyed her (whatever it is) because it destroyed her potential?"
        
        Nina didn't make that argument. I did, mockingly. You're propensity for wrongness is awesome....
        
        "I await your answer, not a deflection."
        
        Here's my answer. Potential sales are a dubious argument. The potential for sharing culture is less dubious, because it doesn't rely on a result (like a purchase), only the potential (access). GEMA removed access to material, loss of potential sales doesn't do that. Denying access is concrete. It either is or is not. You either have access or you don't.
        
        A "lost sale" claimed due to piracy can in fact be lost for a variety of reasons, or in fact never truly a potential sale at all. It is not concrete. It is inherently unreliable because it is a claim against something that DIDN'T happen and therefore has no basis in observable reality. Shutting down access differs, because it is an action taken by GEMA that I can witness and react upon.
        
        "Come on. Your a big boy. Man up and give us an answer."
        
        *You're
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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 9:10am
        
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        So what you are saying is that Nina lost nothing except potential, nothing was destroyed, and thus her cartoon is bullshit?
        
        Glad we agree.
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        Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 9:17am
        
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        Uh, I'm saying that German citizens concretely lost access to a tiny part of culture, thus they temporarily have destroyed access to that culture.
        
        Is that verbage in Nina's cartoon over the top? Sure, a bit. It IS a cartoon, afterall....
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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 9:28am
        
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        So you are saying that Mike is wrong, that access to culture was destroyed, and as a result, potential sales were lost?
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        Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 9:37am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
        ....What sales are you referring to?
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        Gabriel Tane (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 9:56am
        
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        "HA! You used the word "to"! By that, I assume that I am totally right! Blam!" -AC
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        Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 9:59am
        
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        Damn, defeated at my own game.... :p
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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 11:38am
        
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        Congrats, you lose. Next time you might consider doing something different than trying to play word games, because it makes you come off as an idiot.
        
        Still waiting to figure out which one you think is full of shit, Mike or Nina. Clearly your statements mean that they cannot both be right.
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        Trolls-R-Us, 9 Sep 2011 @ 12:33pm
        
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        Congrats, you lose. Next time you might consider doing something different than trying to play word games, because it makes you come off as an idiot.
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        Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 1:38pm
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
        I gave you a rather lengthy response and answer, and this is what you respond with? I layed out why I think they're different situations clearly. I'd be happy to have a conversation with you, but you don't seem interested....
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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 9:03pm
        
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        No, you gave me a lengthy dodge. It's a "one or the other", not a chance to post up two excuses as to why they are both full of it, yet you love them both.
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        AJ, 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:58am
        
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        The sad part is, you don't even know how much of an idiot you look like right now. You proved Dark right while trying to prove him wrong.....
        
        Double Fail!>>?
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        mike allen (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 9:16am
        
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        the only ones full of are the ACs with nothing to back up their arguments but insults.
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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:34am
        
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        Haha
        
        You should make your own cartoons!
        
        Haha
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IronM@sk, 9 Sep 2011 @ 6:26am

Aliens
"Dust off. Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." - MAFIAA
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 6:32am

Queue "Nina sucks", "This comic strip sucks" and "You're all freetards" comments in 5...4...
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- Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 6:36am
  
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  Oh and now that I said this, bring on the "Typical Techdirt, always trying to silence the truth" comments in 3...2...
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- Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 6:42am
  
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  This comic strip, Nina, and freetards all suck. The party is over.
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  - Greevar (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:01am
    
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    "This comic strip, Nina, and freetards all suck." [pure opinion]
    
    "The party is over." [citation needed]
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  - The Mighty Buzzard (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 8:27am
    
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    Dude, it's Friday. The good parties haven't even started yet unless you're a college kid.
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  - Anonymous Coward, 10 Sep 2011 @ 1:04pm
    
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    "The party is over."
    
    Yeah, the monopoly party is over. Time to switch to scrabble
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 6:36am

Friday
Kickin� in the front seat
Sittin� in the back seat
Gotta make my mind up
Which video can I takedown?

It�s Friday, Friday
Gotta takedown on Friday
Everybody�s lookin� forward to the weekend, weekend
Friday, Friday
Gettin� down on Friday
Everybody�s lookin� forward to the weekend
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- That Anonymous Coward (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 6:48am
  
  Re: Friday
  You have invoked the evil that is Rebecca Black...
  The horror you have unleashed on the world has no equal.
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justok (profile), 9 Sep 2011 @ 6:57am

Braaiday
Braaiday is better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLyLvCXYKUg&feature=player_embedded
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AJ, 9 Sep 2011 @ 6:57am

PC Games are the perfect example.....
Always online DRM, DRM servers going down, accidental banning, hijacked accounts, it can be absolutely terrible at times.
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Sep 2011 @ 7:48am

To Anonymous Coward: Fuck Off

Signer,
People who are tired of being told "it's in your interest", "it's to protect the children", etc.
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Someone who dislikes unfunny comics, 9 Sep 2011 @ 12:59pm

This is rather blunt.

Honestly, I prefer comics that are funny. No offense, I just don't really like political comics. Is there some way to set up the site to filter these comics so I can read just the stories? I would like that.

I mean, I'm not saying you should stop posting these! I'm sure some people like them! I just personally dislike them enough that I would appreciate a way to avoid seeing them please. Other then strategically closing my eyes. Thank you for helping!
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- darryl, 9 Sep 2011 @ 6:55pm
  
  Re: good luck with that
  there is Money involved, and Mike will stop at nothing to get his hands on it, it's coming up to the weekend, and Mike wants some good dirt for page hits for his weekend spending money.
  
  So nina is still crying herself to sleep about Sita !!! wow that was years ago.. Nina get over it, it was not even YOUR freaking 'culture' to steal and sell.
  
  Culture is not like big mac's you cannot buy or sell it, or acquire it from someone else.
  
  I guess if you do not have any culture yourself, you have to try to steal it from somewhere else, but that is just a very sad state of yourself.
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  - Prisoner 201, 10 Sep 2011 @ 7:23am
    
    Re: Re: good luck with that
    I dont think culture means what you think it does.
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture.
    
    Hope that helps!
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  - Anonymous Coward, 10 Sep 2011 @ 1:05pm
    
    Re: Re: good luck with that
    Can someone mail darrly a dictionary. I would recommender him an online one, but he doesn't know how to use the internet too well
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    - Anonymous Coward, 11 Sep 2011 @ 12:11am
      
      Re: Re: Re: good luck with that
      It wouldn't do any good he probably suffers from alcoholism or from dysgraphia.
      
      Maybe a voice recognition would help.
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- Anonymous Coward, 10 Sep 2011 @ 1:06pm
  
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  you must be a Garfield fan
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