Monster Cable Claims EBay, Craigslist, Costco & Sears Are 'Rogue Sites'

from the total-failure dept

Wed, Oct 5th 2011 1:34pm — Mike Masnick

When we talk about how dangerous PROTECT IP is as a censorship bill, we're often told that we shouldn't worry so much, because it's only targeted at "rogue sites" and thus wouldn't impact any legitimate sites. We're told there's nothing about rogue sites that is worth defending. And yet, as we've seen with the list of "pirate" sites that GroupM put together with help from the music and movie industries, their definition of a "pirate" site is expansive in the extreme. It included the Internet Archive, Vimeo, Soundcloud and a ton of blogs and news sites, including the famed Vibe magazine.

And don't think it gets any different when you hop over to the trademark/counterfeit side of the debate. In Tim's post about Monster Cable lobbying in favor of PROTECT IP, as an aside at the end, he notes that on Monster Cable's own list of "rogue sites," eBay and Craigslist top the list. And it doesn't stop there. Retailing giant Costco is on the list. As is Sears. Also some Backpages sites are listed as well (Backpages is a Craigslist-like classifieds system). There's also FatWallet, which is one of the most popular "deal" listings sites out there. There's also PriceGrabber and ComputerShopper -- popular legitimate sites for comparison shopping and computer purchases. These are not "rogue sites." These are legitimate companies that Monster Cable appears to have a vendetta against, because they allow for or promote the resale of perfectly legitimate secondhand goods.

In other words, for all the misleading whining from Monster about how it needs PROTECT IP to stop "rogue sites," you can see from Monster's own definition of what it considers a rogue site, that it would like to use such things to stomp out legitimate secondhand sales. Now, you can argue over whether or not these sites would pass following a judge's scrutiny under PROTECT IP, but we've seen judges rubber stamp similarly questionable claims against blogs in the past as being "rogue sites."

If you look at both the GroupM and the Monster lists, one thing becomes clear: these companies are defining any site they can't control as being a "rogue site." This isn't about stopping "piracy." It's about using the law to stomp out channels that they can't control. This is a key point that becomes obvious if you spend any time looking at the details of this law. It's not about protecting "IP." It's about protecting old business models that were based on absolute control of the channel. The complaints of the Universal Musics and Monster Cables of the world isn't really about counterfeits and piracy, but about the fact that they no longer have absolute control.

And they're just using "piracy" as the wool to pull over Congress' eyes to pass a law that tries to give them back control over the channel... by declaring tons of perfectly legitimate sites "rogue sites."

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Filed Under: competition, control, protect ip, rogue sites
Companies: costco, craigslist, ebay, monster cable, sears

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anonymous, 5 Oct 2011 @ 1:51pm

and since when has congress given a shit? as long as the 'incentives' keep coming and they are not personally affected (if they are, a phone call will soon change things) so will these type of laws
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- RichWa (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 6:01pm
  
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  Ah, but Congress has always given a shit -- that's why those "incentives" keep coming! Keep coming to themselves, their partners, their cronies and, most importantly, their overlords. Congress has always given a shit; a shit to make sure that they themselves are well cared for.
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- enterprise and freedom not compromised by gov't, 14 Jan 2012 @ 6:29pm
  
  Re: stop these bills!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  i totally agree!!!
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- best buy employee, 17 Jan 2012 @ 10:46pm
  
  Response to: anonymous on Oct 5th, 2011 @ 1:51pm
  Guess who will no longer support monster products. Me. The guy that's selling your stuff. Support Chinese style censorship of the web and lose.
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- Hay, 18 Jan 2012 @ 1:13am
  
  Response to: anonymous on Oct 5th, 2011 @ 1:51pm
  Boo n poo on those turds
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- R. Caskey, 18 Jan 2012 @ 9:31am
  
  Response to: anonymous on Oct 5th, 2011 @ 1:51pm
  I totally agree since when do they give a crap about the little guy? As long as they get their pay checks!!!
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Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 1:56pm

Mike Masnick = FUDPACKER. Truly Masnick, the bullshit you set forth here represents a new low... even by your own unbelievably low standards of integrity.I'll be back to shred this piece of shit in a few hours.
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- Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:03pm
  
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  You always know that someone has a good argument when they start out with trolling insults.
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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:37pm
    
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    Techdirt definition of troll: Anyone that exposes light on the bs from Masnick.
    
    Here's what the original commenter said before he was censored by the world-class hypocritical douchebags that reside here:
    
    "Mike Masnick = FUDPACKER. Truly Masnick, the bullshit you set forth here represents a new low... even by your own unbelievably low standards of integrity.I'll be back to shred this piece of shit in a few hours."
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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:42pm
      
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      I love how the sycophants have to censor posts they don't agree with, using a censoring feature that Pirate Mike leaves on for all to use. Pirate Mike hates censorship, unless of course it's censorship of his critics.
      
      Too funny. Pirate Mike, the idiot, loses again.
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      - Dark Helmet (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:53pm
        
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        Wow, you ladies have really gotten yourselves into a tizzy today, haven't you? No shoe sales to go splurge on or something?
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        Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:11am
        
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        Sadly this is a fake anonymous coward, someone from the Techdirt staff playing around. I suspect Marcus will have to get back to work at some point and all of this will stop.
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      - E. Zachary Knight (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:55pm
        
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        Yes because having to click to read a comment that adds nothing to the conversation is so horrible.
        
        Of course, I am still waiting for any of you ACs to actually bring up a relevant point about why the concerns Mike has raised are not valid.
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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:14pm
        
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        Yes, since they can't counter our ironclad arguments, the crew of the Queen Anne's TechDirt Revenge have to resort to censoring us. Just watch how Calico Mike ignores my rebuttal of this post:
        
        Mike: I am rubber, you are glue, everything you say is FUD and it sticks to YOUD!
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      - The eejit (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:36pm
        
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        At least you can speak here. Be thankful that Mike hasn't turned his comments off on his blog. Unlike some others I can name on the pro-IP side of this debate.
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      - Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 5:35pm
        
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        You were flagged becuase you didn't have a couterpoint to add and just flung insults.
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    - Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:42pm
      
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      Still waiting for this brilliant counter-argument from an AC IPtard. Or are you going to expose yourself to some excrement...Mike's specifically?
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    - JMT (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 5:29pm
      
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      "Techdirt definition of troll: Anyone that exposes light on the bs from Masnick."
      
      Well that's clearly not you or any other commenter so far.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 5:36pm
      
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      You honestly think that quoted comment exposes anything? It has absolutely nothing in it beyond mindless insults from an immature mind.
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  - btr1701 (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:33pm
    
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    > You always know that someone has a good argument
    > when they start out with trolling insults.
    
    And then follow it up with some variation on "I can tear this argument apart, but I'm just too busy to do it right now."
    
    Riigghhht...
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    - Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:35pm
      
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      Just have fun with the trols, they are adorable little creatures that can provide you with hours of intense laughter.
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- Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:04pm
  
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  Yeah Masnick. Suck it up. The party's over for you and your little rogue pirate friends like Sears and Costco. As soon as PROTECT-IP passes, all you pirate boys will be getting molested in prison like the naughty criminal bad boys you are.
  
  Now you'll have to excuse me. All this ranting has gotten me..."angry" and I...uh...have to go now...I have to...exercise. Yeah, "exercise."
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  - Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:08pm
    
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    Oh look, staff at work! Keep up the good work guys.
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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:31pm
      
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      Yes! The megaFUDpacker pirate staff, with Pirate Mike at the helm, they're out to get us!!!
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      - Dark Helmet (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:52pm
        
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        "with Pirate Mike at the helm"
        
        Whoa, whoa, whoa!
        
        ....oh, you said "helm". My bad. Carry on with your nonsense....
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    - btr1701 (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:36pm
      
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      > Oh look, staff at work! Keep up the good work guys.
      
      LOL! I'm detecting a new troll meme: anything anyone says that exposes these fools for the douchebags they are is now just the 'staff' trying to keep them down.
      
      Neat trick if they can find someone stupid enough to fall for it.
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    - Marcus Carab (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 4:00pm
      
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      So wait, is Mike paying people to genuinely imitate you, or sarcastically imitate you? Because you have definitely accused him of both. How large of an army of false ACs does MIke employ, exactly? And what sort of Machiavellian misdirect strategy do you suspect he's using here?
      
      Mike: why the hell didn't you ask me? I'd have done it for free!
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      - Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 6:29pm
        
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        Mike: why the hell didn't you ask me? I'd have done it for free!
        
        Probably because he was justifiably concerned he'd get exactly what he paid for it. Zip.
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      - Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:13am
        
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        It's because you are doing it for free. You are a lowlife.
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  - Anonymous Coward, 19 Jan 2012 @ 4:01am
    
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    What a fag...
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- Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:06pm
  
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  While I suspect that this is sarcasm, your comment is a nice IP maximist impersonation.
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Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:08pm

Mike, I have to ask: Why have you and one of the Tim's released the same story at almost the same time? Are you both so absolutely stuck on Monster Cable that you can't wait to jump on them?
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- Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:12pm
  
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  The irony in your comment is award-worthy.
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- Mike Masnick (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:14pm
  
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  Mike, I have to ask: Why have you and one of the Tim's released the same story at almost the same time?
  
  Mine was in response to seeing the note at the end of his. As stated in my post.
  
  It helps to read the posts before you criticize.
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Richard (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:10pm

Which
See my comments on the previous post. They have blacklisted the UK consumer organisation "Which"!

Which is one of the best established consumer organisations out there. It does not engage in any direct commercial activity (on point of principle - so that it is seen as even handed). The only possible reason to blacklist their site is fear of honest comment.

In my mind that is an order of magnitude worse even than (the blacklisting of) the sites you mention in the post.
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- hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:29am
  
  Re: Which
  Hehehe which? is blacklisted because they ran comparisons of monster cable to wal-marts cheapest and found they were 100% identical in performance but the monster one was literally THOUSANDS of times more expensive
  
  I once sent an email to monster cable asking if they planned to sue Disney for the use of "Monsters Inc." and laughing how Disney would tear them into "tiny unshielded pieces"....
  
  The lawyer's reply was extremely unprofessional and kinda pissed off at the fact that most of the world laughs at monster cable products and their ENTIRE customer base is formed of techno-illiterate retards.
  
  Seriously thats what their lawyer said...our customers don't WANT to learn about technology they just want to use products that WE recommend and people should stop trying to discourage them from spending their own money.
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  - JB, 17 Jan 2012 @ 8:33pm
    
    Re: Re: Which
    I have never and will never use Monster Cable for the reason you said about going after Disney. Monster Cable only go after small fries. Even ones not related to anything audio visual.
    
    Monster Cable went after a local hole in the wall vintage clothing retailer because of their name "Monster Vintage". I guess anything with "Monster" in it... They feel that they are entitled to it or that it infringes on their copyright of "Monster Cable".
    
    I believe they have also gone after Monster.com as well as many other companies small and medium.
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JackHerer (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:11pm

Try the search
Go on give it a go search for ANYTHING, ebay and craigslist are always in the results. I typed in the word "arse", I got 2 results, ebay and craigslist. It's almost like they have a vendetta or something...
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paperbag (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:15pm

Monster Cable: u mad?
lol Monster Cable hates deal websites because they always get trashed for their extremely overpriced cables. $100 vs $1 HDMI cables.. yeah I'll take my chances with the $1 DIGITAL cable that does the same thing.

So, Monster Cable, u mad?
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- The eejit (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:37pm
  
  Re: Monster Cable: u mad?
  Monster Cable doesn't have enough Sully and Mike in it.
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- hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:31am
  
  Re: Monster Cable: u mad?
  I say buy 100 of the $1 cables and even if each cable only lasts a year thats 100years of cable.....Monster gonna provide a 100yr guarentee?
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- Dennis M, 16 Jan 2012 @ 10:34am
  
  Re: Monster Cable: u mad?
  I know that's right.. I would never pay $100 for a cable. I get antsy paying more than $5. If something goes wrong, i'll just buy another. No biggie. I personally have had great experiences with the cables I bought from ebay. No complaints at all..
  
  They need to lower their prices then maybe they'll get some more sales..
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- B, 17 Jan 2012 @ 12:02am
  
  Re: Monster Cable: u mad?
  Yup, and the $1 ones are chinese knocks off. U mad now?
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- Vince B, 12 Jun 2013 @ 4:40pm
  
  Re: Monster Cable: u mad?
  "extremely overpriced cables"
  You said it!
  "$1 DIGITAL cable that does the same thing."
  Could'nt have said it better myself!... And I BUILD cables at the TV station I work at.
  
  Be Scared Monster! People are figuring out your RUSE and B.S.
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Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:32pm

Really Pirate Mike? We all know how intellectual property enforcement makes you crazy, but didn't know it was this crazy.

Who cares who is on Monster's list of sites? They aren't the government.

Protect IP is already incredibly specific about what foreign sites will be targeted.

But you knew that already.

It's just that your insatiable lust for piracy has blinded you so severely that you're left writing hilariously idiotic misrepresentations of reality.

It's really quite pathetic.
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  Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 2:35pm
  
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  I agree! Corsair Mike always going for the cheap shot. The FUDpacker pirates are stealing our monstercables. Watch out, Crazy Pirate Mikebeard is on the loose!
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- Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 5:35pm
  
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  Pirate Mike's censor hammer is in overdrive today...
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  - Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 7:17pm
    
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    Signal to noise ratio, mate, signal to noise ratio. We're just getting rid of all the noise ("rarr rarr pirate mike rarr") and leaving the good stuff! Don't think of it as censorship, think of it like, we're distilling the pure essence of your greatness!
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      Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 3:14am
      
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      And apparently the fascist tendencies of his drooling freetard followers were too much for him to wake up to today and try to explain.
      
      What a fine bunch you all are.
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      - Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 4:38am
        
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        Says the guy who believes state control by proxy is great LoL
        
        Copyright = Government control using a proxy.
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      - Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 7:04am
        
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        Rarr rarr fascist rarr freetards
        
        See? Noise.
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- hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:33am
  
  Re:
  ACs know the snowflakes are different but there are enough ACs that telling them apart at a glance becomes harder.
  
  How about adding a 'number' next to the snowflake to make it slightly quicker?
  
  i.e. 22[snowflake] etc once that precious darling has posted more than 10times
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- Joseph stevens, 14 Jan 2012 @ 12:18pm
  
  Response to: Anonymous Coward on Oct 5th, 2011 @ 2:32pm
  Your comment is so misguided. If you actually think that large corporations like Monster Cable is not our government, wake up! The lobbyist are the ones that control the government. The corporations are the ones that fund the lobbyist. Its already a felony to pick a tomato and feed it to a pig. Its a felony for a child to sell their puppies and bunnies without a license they cant get unless their 18 years old. Its a felony to use 25 used tires or more for flower beds. In some states its a felony to own a sex toy. Its against the law in some states to smoke a cigarette in your car. there are many many more laws that people arent aware of that are causing them to commit felonies and crimes so big corporations can make a profit. So by all means vote yes for large corporations can make profit and make more americans homeless. (by the way, many large corporations release songs and movies to get higher sales and publicity.)
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Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:11pm

The IPtards are ragging today LoL

Whomever set them on fire I salute you.
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- Niall (profile), 10 Oct 2011 @ 1:48am
  
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  No, it's just the Monster Trollers... all paid for by MonsterCable IncorporateAll.
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DigitalRAGE (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:28pm

Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
I pulled this email off of monsters website for their cat 6 cable. This goes to show their target customer's level of intelligence.

"I was sick of poor quality photos and movies being delivered from my NAS. I added a Monster network cable to my NAS and immediately noticed a huge difference in the resolution of my photos. The fuzziness was gone. My movies too were of higher definition when compared to using just plain Cat6 cable. I'm about to get another for the PC side. Can't wait."
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- Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:55pm
  
  Re: Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
  No, that would be MonsterCable falling for an obvious troll.
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- hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:35am
  
  Re: Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
  I bought monster cables for my entire house and let me tell you there were a GODSEND.
  
  Because each cable was so expensive I now cannot afford my crack habit anymore! (yay!)
  
  However, the downside is, because I'm no longer ON crack I realize what a waste of money the cables are......
  
  C'est la vie....
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- nasch (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 11:07am
  
  Re: Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
  I got a Monster cable for my mouse, and now my mouse movements are so much more precise. So completely worth the $56.99! Anybody else have stories about their totally awesome Monster products? No rogue comments needed please.
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- josh, 18 Jan 2012 @ 11:00am
  
  Re: Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
  cheap china power cords work better for audio cables than monster cables.just grab a couple and wire them in parallel to make one wire.works way better than monster cables and way cheaper,if you have a lot of cheap broken electronics its free.There is nothing special about reduced resistance.It is clear monster consumers know nothing about techonolgy!
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  - kg, 18 Jan 2012 @ 7:54pm
    
    Re: Re: Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
    im quite into audio visual and computers. i use monster cable for my home theatre and computer for sound and picture. and i see and hear a huge difference in picture/sound quality from generic wires to monster cable. and ived used monster extensivly for the last 15 years.
    a cleaner signal no matter what device you are using is always better, hense gold contacts shielded against other interference and oxygen free cable. if you want to put up yer generic hdmi cable against my 100 dollar shielded gold monster hdmi you just let me know...you must have top of the line equipment for monster cables to do anything. you wouldnt put a 800 hp engine into a ford pinto would ya? same goes for electronics.
    
    i think its clear you know nothing about electronics...
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    - Patrick, 19 Jan 2012 @ 12:24am
      
      Re: Re: Re: Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
      What the hell does Monsters cable quality have to do with the issue?? What are you, a Monster Cables sales Rep? Idiot.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 19 Jan 2012 @ 4:16am
      
      Re: Re: Re: Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
      You're retarded... and YOU claim to know about electronics? LMAO like it's all really that complicated?! What an effing joke! I think it's clear you love paying out the ass for overpriced pieces of junk! Sure there's a lot worse out there... but there is also comparable quality stuff for MUCH less. The only monster cable I ever bought was total crap... the one I got from radio shack had less feedback. How's that for comparison? And now that many of the signals are digital... it's even less crucial to have all the so called "benifits" from a monster piece of junk cable. And do we ALL have top of the line equipment and need to be forced to buy a 100 dollar monster cable?! HELL NO!
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Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 3:32pm

Protect-crap-IP will be just like the DMCA that it is used to attack competitors, consumers in the US are the ones that will pay that bill.
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That Anonymous Coward (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 4:37pm

*blink blink blink*
I sometimes would kill to be able to see the IP addresses here. Given how easily copyright trolls get IP discovery so easily, I think it would totally be worth the lookup fee to find out who is paying for the trolls.

Given Monster Cable's over zealous insanity over the name and the "quality" of their cables, I can totally see them hiring the firm being used by the other guys to make sure that TechDirt is put in its place.

Of course the downside is they always go for the cheap attacks, or the crazy attacks, or clap when the constitution gets gutted. They think its awesome when someone's free speech is trampled, then complain when it is done to them.

So I gotta wonder AC Troll Brigade, how much do you make sock puppeting?
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  Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 5:46pm
  
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  Nobody pays us to call out Masnick's bullshit, just like you don't pay to consume all the entertainment you steal.
  
  Fuck off freetard.
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  - Really?, 5 Oct 2011 @ 6:26pm
    
    Re: Re:
    Seriously? Grow up dude. Times have changed. We can all access entertainment for free because we can all create entertainment and provide it for free. stop being a dick and use your brain to think of creative ways to make money off of entertainment. Anyone can make content these days. It's all going to be free. Deal with it
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    - Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 7:27pm
      
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      We can all access entertainment for free because we can all create entertainment and provide it for free.
      
      The "free" shit isn't what's being stolen. The stuff that costs lots of money to make is. Go make Avatar II and do it for free. Let me know how you make out.
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      - Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 11:56pm
        
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        Yah stolen from the free zone, you assume that everything everywhere is yours it is not, my home my laws and there is nothing you can do about it.
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        hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:39am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
        There is SOMETHING we can do about it...we could set up a copyright lobby like the MPAA and sue you until you were a homeless bum forced to orally pleasure businessmen on their lunchbreaks in order to eat!
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      - Any Mouse (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 1:24am
        
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        So... most of Disney's movies aren't worth being stolen? Natch. Don't need copyright lasting so long, then, do we?
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        Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 3:26am
        
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        What does "copyright length" have to do with you stealing something released less than 12 months ago?
        
        Fuck off, you freeloading freetard leech.
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        Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 4:37am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
        If you realize you never have access to it in your lifetime why bother waiting any length of time to acquire anything dumbass?
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        Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 4:45am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
        awww, daddies little girl learned how to swear
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      - Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 2:59am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re:
        "The "free" shit isn't what's being stolen."
        
        I suppose that that's the essence of 'free'really isn't it. There's no need to 'steal' something that is being given away in unlimited quantities...
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      - JackHerer (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:36am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re:
        Avatar
        
        Budget: $237 million
        Box Office: $2,782 million
        
        Yeah if it wasn't for all those damn freetards maybe it would have grossed $4 billion.
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      - hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:40am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re:
        >>Let me know how you make out
        
        Well I TRIED snogging James Cameron but he still says I can't use his PC to write the script for avatar II: the revenge.
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  - That Anonymous Coward (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 8:55pm
    
    Re: Re:
    Care to backup that allegation?
    For all you know of me, I could be in the UK where your claim is actionable in court.
    But I do enjoy your zealous reactions to someone highlighting what quite possibly is one of the worst companies from the public's perception claiming that this legislation is amazing and wonderful when they make it clear they seek to use it to stifle anyone who thinks their product is crap, or suggest a cheaper alternative.
    
    Other than claiming its all bullshit did you actually have a single salient point to your argument or are you just here to stroke your own ego because your sticking it to Mike?
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    - Niall (profile), 10 Oct 2011 @ 1:51am
      
      Re: Re: Re:
      Or I *am* in the UK and I'm offended enough by the exchange for him to be actionable in court...
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  - hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:37am
    
    Re: Re:
    yep nobody pays the ACs, they make enough cash selling their bodies behind alleyway dumpsters to afford all the hot pockets they could want.....
    
    Not true? slander/libel? ......why not tell us here? :)
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  - Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 7:05am
    
    Re: Re:
    Raarrrrr rarr I'm angry dude rarrr
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freak (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 4:48pm

Who wants to bet that Techdirt is now, or soon, going to be on monster's blacklist?
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- iBelieve, 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:10am
  
  Re:
  Any publicity is good publicity, even in this case. I didn't even know about 'monster cables' until I see this blog on Techdirt.. Unfortunately, I won't be buying 'monster cables', but its good to know what ~not to buy when I'm in the market for cables!
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  - noone special, 17 Jan 2012 @ 11:45pm
    
    Re: Re:
    on that note i like pure AV cable i own a few monster cable's and they are going by by forget monster and the games they are playing i hated your double wrapped clear and blue home theater speaker wires what a peice of trash
    i burned the plastic off and scrapped it all for the aluminum it was junk
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Brendan, 5 Oct 2011 @ 5:33pm

Maybe...
Monster should concentrate on improving their (subpar) products, instead of legislation.
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- hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:44am
  
  Re: Maybe...
  They CAN'T improve their products sorry.
  
  Didn't you know that monster audio cable turns an elementary school band into a full 500 piece symphony orchestra?
  
  Or that grainy old 1980s home movies become fully 3D Hi-Def epics with billion-dollar effects budgets if you play the movie through their CAT6 cables?
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Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 6:26pm

Such a target rich environment, where do I start with this bowel movement?

When we talk about how dangerous PROTECT IP is as a censorship bill, we're often told that we shouldn't worry so much, because it's only targeted at "rogue sites" and thus wouldn't impact any legitimate sites. We're told there's nothing about rogue sites that is worth defending.

This is all true Masnick. Existing law under which NinjaVideo was seized could be used against a domestic site like Ebay or Costco... but it hasn't. Why? Because they aren't rogue websites. Pure FUDpacking.

And yet, as we've seen with the list of "pirate" sites that GroupM put together with help from the music and movie industries, their definition of a "pirate" site is expansive in the extreme. It included the Internet Archive, Vimeo, Soundcloud and a ton of blogs and news sites, including the famed Vibe magazine.

Shockingly, GroupM can't unilaterally do jack shit under the Protect IP Act. Please articulate a convincing case under which a Federal judge would deem Ebay (or any of the other mentioned websites) rises to the following standard:

��Internet site dedicated to infringing activities�� means an Internet site that�
(A) has no significant use other than engaging in, enabling, or facilitating the
(i) reproduction, distribution, or public performance of copyrighted works, in complete or substantially complete form, in a manner that constitutes copyright infringement under section 501 of title 17, United States Code;
(ii) violation of section 1201 of title 17, United States Code; or
(iii) sale, distribution, or promotion of goods, services, or materials bearing a counterfeit mark, as that term is defined in section 34(d) of the Lanham Act; or (B) is designed, operated, or marketed by
its operator or persons operating in concert with the operator, and facts or circumstances suggest is used, primarily as a means for engaging in, enabling, or facilitating the activities described under clauses (i), (ii), or (iii) of subparagraph (A);"

And don't think it gets any different when you hop over to the trademark/counterfeit side of the debate. In Tim's post about Monster Cable lobbying in favor of PROTECT IP, as an aside at the end, he notes that on Monster Cable's own list of "rogue sites," eBay and Craigslist top the list. And it doesn't stop there. Retailing giant Costco is on the list. As is Sears. Also some Backpages sites are listed as well (Backpages is a Craigslist-like classifieds system). There's also FatWallet, which is one of the most popular "deal" listings sites out there. There's also PriceGrabber and ComputerShopper -- popular legitimate sites for comparison shopping and computer purchases. These are not "rogue sites." These are legitimate companies that Monster Cable appears to have a vendetta against, because they allow for or promote the resale of perfectly legitimate secondhand goods.

The fact that one whacko company lashes out crazily does not invalidate the virtue of the proposed law. Just like when one of the period certifiably-crazy tinfoil hatters posts nutty ravings, no one serious suggests that the guy is anything other than a crackpot.

In other words, for all the misleading whining from Monster about how it needs PROTECT IP to stop "rogue sites," you can see from Monster's own definition of what it considers a rogue site, that it would like to use such things to stomp out legitimate secondhand sales.

Can you find me anything in the Protect IP Act (or any other law) that Monster could cite as a basis to stop me from selling a used cable on Ebay or Craigslist? Didn't think so.

Now, you can argue over whether or not these sites would pass following a judge's scrutiny under PROTECT IP, but we've seen judges rubber stamp similarly questionable claims against blogs in the past as being "rogue sites.

Like NinjaVideo, Rojadirecta? Please Masnick you're absolutely out of your mind to even suggest this. First of all, a legitimate company doesn't hide like Roja and NV when the process server comes a-calling. Which of those companie yu mention do you figure would avoid service and be subject to an ex parte order seizing their website? It's laughable FUDboy and you know it.

If you look at both the GroupM and the Monster lists, one thing becomes clear: these companies are defining any site they can't control as being a "rogue site." This isn't about stopping "piracy." It's about using the law to stomp out channels that they can't control.

Waiting for you to present a case that would convince a judge to misuse and misapply the law in such a gross manner.

his is a key point that becomes obvious if you spend any time looking at the details of this law. It's not about protecting "IP." It's about protecting old business models that were based on absolute control of the channel. The complaints of the Universal Musics and Monster Cables of the world isn't really about counterfeits and piracy, but about the fact that they no longer have absolute control.

They don't have control without piracy and counterfeiting. They still have to compete in a marketplace that is full of able competition. They ought not be forced to compete against people who are selling the same thing as they are without incurring a dime in production costs, or (for hardgoods) trading on their good name and reputation that the companies have invested millions in creating.

And they're just using "piracy" as the wool to pull over Congress' eyes to pass a law that tries to give them back control over the channel... by declaring tons of perfectly legitimate sites "rogue sites."

Utter and contemptible lies. First of all, the bill hasn't even been passed (yet) and you're already pronouncing that "they" will be "declaring tons of perfectly legitimate sites 'rogue sites'". And even if you did take a trip in your time machine- "they" can't declare shit... unless your "they" is a Federal judge.

As an outrageous piece of shit as this is, I am heartened that your level of desperation has elevated to the point that you'd actually sign your name to something so embarrassingly false and self-serving. I can only infer that knowledgable people have done the math on the impact on freeloading and the result is terrifying to the freeloaders, their apologists and enablers.
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- Jeff (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 6:30pm
  
  Re:
  Did you wipe the foam from your chin now that you're finished???
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- BeeAitch (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 7:09pm
  
  Overpaid by your masters
  It took you FOUR-AND-A-HALF HOURS to come up with this nonsensical bullshit?!
  
  Wait, now I know where the **AAs money went: not to "piracy", they wasted it all on incompetent shills like you.
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  - Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 7:32pm
    
    Re: Overpaid by your masters
    It took you FOUR-AND-A-HALF HOURS to come up with this nonsensical bullshit?!
    
    Wait, now I know where the **AAs money went: not to "piracy", they wasted it all on incompetent shills like you.
    
    Unlike you, I don't live in my mother's basement and actually have a life away from the keyboard. And also unlike you, it doesn't involve a LARP league or humiliating myself reciting poetry set to music in front of people pointing and laughing.
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    - Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 8:04pm
      
      Re: Re: Overpaid by your masters
      And as usual, you prove yourself irrelevant by resorting to insults like an eight year old. Grow up.
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      - iBelieve, 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:25am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Overpaid by your masters
        Me thinking this was posted by a very intelligent eight year old:-)
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    - Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 12:00am
      
      Re: Re: Overpaid by your masters
      No you keep watching kiddie porn in the basement, getting fat and buying two seats at the plane because you can't fit in one.
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    - hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:47am
      
      Re: Re: Overpaid by your masters
      He doesn't live in his MOTHERS basement because by a technicality (he murdered her, raped the corpse then buried her in a field) its HIS basement now..............
      
      Also why the dissing of LARP? are you that unfit that you're scared to do anything involving actual exercise (apart from the grave digging of course)?
      
      And an attack on POETRY....OMG thats it, its over you've painted us with a [poetic term for broadbrush] and we all give up and agree to go to prison for a bazillion years.........
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- Mike Masnick (profile), 5 Oct 2011 @ 11:47pm
  
  Re:
  This is all true Masnick. Existing law under which NinjaVideo was seized could be used against a domestic site like Ebay or Costco... but it hasn't. Why? Because they aren't rogue websites. Pure FUDpacking.
  
  PROTECT IP includes a private right to action, meaning that private companies can go after sites they believe are rogue sites.
  
  Either way you miss my point. I am not saying that PROTECT IP itself would be used directly. Merely I am pointing out that while you insist that rogue sites are easily defined, the companies you trot out to Congress as being the key supporters of this law seem to have a very, very different standard.
  
  Shockingly, GroupM can't unilaterally do jack shit under the Protect IP Act. Please articulate a convincing case under which a Federal judge would deem Ebay (or any of the other mentioned websites) rises to the following standard:
  
  Once again, the point which appears to have gone way over your head: the companies pushing for this law keep claiming that it's easy to define rogue websites. Yet every time they try to... look at what they seem to come up with.
  
  The fact that one whacko company lashes out crazily does not invalidate the virtue of the proposed law.
  
  One whacko company that you and your friends trotted out to Congress this week as the perfect example of companies that need PROTECT IP to protect them from just these kinds of rogue websites.
  
  Might want to do a little better background checks on your best examples.
  
  Can you find me anything in the Protect IP Act (or any other law) that Monster could cite as a basis to stop me from selling a used cable on Ebay or Craigslist? Didn't think so.
  
  Heh. Misdirection. I don't think Monster can stop you from selling your used cable. And they're smart enough not to go after eBay and Craigslist, I'm sure. But what they can do is cause tremendous problems for the next generation version of eBay and Craigslist, which isn't so big and well known -- merely by making use of their private right to action even if it would get thrown out of court. Merely coming down on someone and bringing them to court at an early stage of a business can be a disaster.
  
  This is why so many entrepreneurs are so freaked out about this dreadful law.
  
  Like NinjaVideo, Rojadirecta? Please Masnick you're absolutely out of your mind to even suggest this. First of all, a legitimate company doesn't hide like Roja and NV when the process server comes a-calling. Which of those companie yu mention do you figure would avoid service and be subject to an ex parte order seizing their website? It's laughable FUDboy and you know it.
  
  Have you looked at the blogs that the government seized? The same ones in which the evidence against them was a song sent directly by a VP at one of the major record labels, and they have the emails to prove it?
  
  Right.
  
  They don't have control without piracy and counterfeiting. They ought not be forced to compete against people who are selling the same thing as they are without incurring a dime in production costs, or (for hardgoods) trading on their good name and reputation that the companies have invested millions in creating.
  
  But, as your own key example company shows, they consider eBay, Craigslist, Costco and Sears to be "piracy and counterfeiting." That's a problem.
  
  In the meantime, I'm not sure your second sentence means what you think it means. Do you really mean to suggest that no one can sell anything without the originator's permission?
  
  As an outrageous piece of shit as this is, I am heartened that your level of desperation has elevated to the point that you'd actually sign your name to something so embarrassingly false and self-serving. I can only infer that knowledgable people have done the math on the impact on freeloading and the result is terrifying to the freeloaders, their apologists and enablers.
  
  I make no money from "freeloading." I have no vested stake in this at all... other my fear of a bunch of legacy industries killing off the next generation of innovation.
  
  What innovation have you ever created in your life? What, pray tell, makes you the expert that says that it's okay to pass laws that kill off innovative products because some companies are too scared to adapt?
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  - iBelieve, 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:38am
    
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    In the meantime, I'm not sure your second sentence means what you think it means. Do you really mean to suggest that no one can sell anything without the originator's permission?
    
    A new model for goods manufacturing, to license what they make and offer it up like a music cd, os or software program, so that we are only paying for the right to use it? Don't give anyone such ideas.. Geeshh Really, that is out there? Then I will surely sue anyone who attempts to update "MY" purchased (licenses) without my explicit permission.
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  - GregP, 17 Jan 2012 @ 7:08am
    
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    "What innovation have you ever created in your life?"
    
    Shouldn't people who "create innovation" have their work protected and not stolen by those who want it for free? You seem to want it both ways - don't stifle innovation, but don't protect the innovators from the theft of their work. Your argument is logically inconsistent.
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- Hothmonster, 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:26am
  
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  "The fact that one whacko company lashes out crazily does not invalidate the virtue of the proposed law. Just like when one of the period certifiably-crazy tinfoil hatters posts nutty ravings, no one serious suggests that the guy is anything other than a crackpot."
  
  Except didnt they take the crackpot to congress and say see its little companies like this that need help from all the evil they see. Whether or not its legitimate evil doesnt matter just that they see it everywhere.
  
  "As an outrageous piece of shit as this is, I am heartened that your level of desperation has elevated to the point that you'd actually sign your name to something so embarrassingly false and self-serving."
  
  i see you still won't sign yours to your bullshit...
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- Anonymous Coward, 15 Jan 2012 @ 10:11am
  
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  I think the point is that this legislation could and would have EASILY transmogrified in some of these worst fears. What is laughable is the naivete. Just look at the SCOTUS Citizens United 5-4 decision among others. IMO, those 5 are rogue judges who went far beyond "interpreting". The last 10-year history of corporate-congressional cluster fk makes it OBVIOUS what slippery slopes we scramble to reclimb daily in these times.
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- Anonymous Coward, 16 Jan 2012 @ 1:35am
  
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  Protip: Rojadirecta doesn't need to hide, it simply has no responsibility answering frivolous legal threats from across the ocean.
  
  Remember, US law only applies in US territory (that is, until they are successful pushing their own laws elsewhere, of course) and what Rojadirecta does is fully within Spanish law and, therefore, legal.
  
  If you got served some legal threats from North Korea, due to some NK law you're supposed to be breaking, wouldn't you laught it off? That's what everyone does, when they get served US legal threats.
  
  Of course, you are free to use your Great Firewall of America to block traffic to/from foreign websites, just don't think about messing with things that are outside US jurisdiction, or you'll be surprised when things don't happen as you expect.
  
  Oh, and by the way... try harder! http://rojadirecta.me/
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Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2011 @ 7:03pm

Did you wipe the foam from your chin now that you're finished???

Please. I don't even break a sweat shredding these craven, sniveling apologists.
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- Jeff, 5 Oct 2011 @ 9:19pm
  
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  I see you value your own opinion very highly... good luck with that...
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- rubberpants, 6 Oct 2011 @ 1:26pm
  
  Re:
  It's interesting to me that you see yourself as some sort of lobbying action-hero with a machine gun that shoots forum comments.
  
  You're seen as a joke here dude. You're the only one who sees what you do as "shredding".
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  - Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 6:02pm
    
    Re: Re:
    @rubberpants
    
    hey, you never answered my question. Is your moniker about some pervert sex thing or do you have bladder control issues?
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    - nasch (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 6:24pm
      
      Re: Re: Re:
      @rubberpants
      
      hey, you never answered my question. Is your moniker about some pervert sex thing or do you have bladder control issues?
      
      Maybe he likes fly fishing.
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hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:23am

well
in monster cables list I put in:

fooble weeble winkle booble zapple fungle blarp

and got back ebay/craigslist hehehe

so, $500 to the first person who can tell me what a 'fooble weeble winkle booble zapple fungle blarp' actually IS :)
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- iBelieve, 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:47am
  
  Re: well
  Hey, I just sold three (used) fooble weeble winkle booble zapple fungle blarp(s) last week. Sorry, its a trade secret..
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hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:24am

and
Her royal majesty the queen of englands anal sphincter covered in glitter

produces craigslist and ebay also...who would have thought that Elizabeth II was making her ass all shiny and selling it on craiglist eh?
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- iBelieve, 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:54am
  
  Re: and
  Her royal majesty the queen of england
  
  Such is disrespect for someone (of Royalty no less) who has never harmed you or even ever had anything to do with you? Don't you know that civilizations have been completely toppled, anhililated for less? See ya, wouldn't want to be ya..
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  - hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 2:21pm
    
    Re: Re: and
    Actually she HAS harmed me, by obtaining tax money that could have gone to feed starving children or built better hospitals.
    
    Also I once got to shake her hand (damn glitter still won't come off)
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hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 5:50am

I'd like to know
Steve Jobs dies, and pretty much everyone even those who didn't like Apple says he will be missed and was a technological leader.

CEO of monster cables, please seriously think on this:

If YOU died tomorrow who would express their regret?

Just something to think on if anyone from Monster reads this.
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The Logician (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 6:41am

Fascinating. Copyright maximalists live in a state of constant fear and paranoia that colors everything they say an do. They fear change. They fear loss of control. And they are so desperate to avoid facing the reality of their situation that they will continually do very illogical things, such as attempting to steal from the public domain and place inaccurate labels upon sites that have nothing to do with the behavior the maximalists describe.

One way to tell who is being more honest in a debate is not just in what is said, but in how it is said. In this case, maximalists have always been arrogant and condescending, even insulting, whereas more commonly those who speak from a position of logic and common sense - those who believe copyright and its enforcement have gone too far for far too long - most often do not exhibit the behaviors of the maximalists. Not in seriousness, at least. I have never observed Mike to be insulting to anyone, even his detractors, nor attempt to twist arguments around as the maximalists so often do.

Maximalists believe any change from how things were once done is a threat to their control. Except that, because of modern technology, that control is now an illusion. They are trying to hold smoke in their hands, not realizing that it is impossible to do so. Technology will always undermine what legislation attempts to determine.
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- iBelieve, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:40am
  
  Re:
  You write as if you have never had a work of art published, or a product or product line that was worth protecting from outright theft. You neatly call them 'maximalists' to place them all in the same tank?
  
  I believe that part of the problem is that some of these people/businesses put their products/works up on the internet with the idea of getting rich quick because of the near infinitessimal commercial reach, but fail to realize that they would not be able to represent their work with sufficient protection from possible theft or infringement and unreasonably place that obligation squarely and disproportionately on the international community(ie potential customers). If they want us to police ourselves for their sake, shouldn't they be willing to give a little? Otherwise, they can certainly get what they reap(an embittered public reprisal, falling sales etc..). There has to be some middle ground from which sensible legislation will come. These "giant" corporations can't expect for the paying public at large to give up the ground for their commercial take. We have all got to get along some how. I believe this middle ground will be where the common sense in new legislation will come from. Or maybe no common sense will be possible. Its up to a relative few to decide for the masses, right? But as for the business model of the future, a little give for a lot of take may go a long way.
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  - nasch (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 11:15am
    
    Re: Re:
    You write as if you have never had a work of art published, or a product or product line that was worth protecting from outright theft.
    
    Wait, who is stealing Monster cables now? I thought this was about secondhand sales.
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- wvhillbilly (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 10:09pm
  
  Re: Copyright maximalists
  Like I have said before, it's all about greed. They are never satisfied with their share, they want it ALL for themselves.
  
  Ultimately they'll reap what they have sown.
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iBelieve, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:12am

Little Monster cable
~Not so monstrous with its concepts concerning personal property and the right of an owner to sell it, second hand, despite corporations and manufacturers wanting consumers to buy first handed. This whole story has FAIL written all over it. No luck, monster cable. Good riddens from any possible touch with free enterprise.
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Deeply Shrouded & Quiet, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:15am

Data is data
I was sick of poor quality photos and movies being delivered from my NAS. I added a Monster network cable to my NAS and immediately noticed a huge difference in the resolution of my photos. The fuzziness was gone. My movies too were of higher definition when compared to using just plain Cat6 cable. I'm about to get another for the PC side. Can't wait."

OK I read this and said, WTF? How can a cable change the
resolution of a picture? Sounds like someone has no clue.
If I send data over a cable, unless that cable is poorly
shielded and is experiencing interference from another source
then the data delivered should arrive intact.
That whole statement above sounds like a whole lot of Bravo Sierra to me.

--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet
--Central Control! D-Dial #49
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- tmbstne284, 18 Jan 2012 @ 6:55pm
  
  Re: Data is data
  i was thinking the same thing. i mean there is no way in hell a computer cable of any kind weather it's vga dvi or even hdmi can make the clarity of a picture better or the definition of a movie better. it's just different connections one better than the other basically.
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  - kg, 18 Jan 2012 @ 7:43pm
    
    Re: Re: Data is data
    im quite into audio visual and computers. i use monster cable for my home theatre and computer for sound and picture. and i see and hear a huge difference in picture/sound quality from generic wires to monster cable. and ived used monster extensivly for the last 15 years.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Oct 2011 @ 8:50am

Isn't there an internet rule somewhere that says "Whoever resorts to swearing and/or name-calling first is the loser of the argument"?
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rxrightsadvocate (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:23am

PROTECT IP defies common sense
It goes against common sense that websites such as Costco and Sears would be on a �rogue sites� list. And these are not the only legitimate sites that could be affected by the PROTECT IP Act. This bill could shut down the sites of legitimate Canadian and other international pharmacies--taking away Americans� online access to safe, affordable medications--because PROTECT IP fails to distinguish between the �good guys"--the licensed, legitimate pharmacies that require a doctor�s prescription--and the �bad guys� who sell everything from diluted or fake medicine to narcotics without a prescription.

RxRights is a national coalition of individuals and organizations dedicated to promoting and protecting American consumer access to sources of safe, affordable prescription drugs. The Coalition is asking Americans to take action now by sending letters to Congress and President Obama urging them to oppose the PROTECT IP Act. For more information or to voice your concern, visit www.RxRights.org.
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hmm (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 2:16pm

Monster cables FTW!!!
I say we make MORE companies like monster cable actually....

Then all you need to do before sleeping with/marrying someone is find out if they own a monster-branded cable system.

If they do, then hey-ho its out the door you go!!!!
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wvhillbilly (profile), 6 Oct 2011 @ 9:56pm

Monster Cable = Monster troll
What the **** does Monster Cable define a "rouge site" as?

Monster Cable has been a troll ever since I knew there was such a thing as Monster Cable. They've sued everything and everybody from a Mom and Pop clothing store to Walt Disney for using the bare word "Monster" in some commercial context. For Disney it was because the title of the movie, "Monsters Inc." And now they're wanting to shut down what they consider to be "rogue sites" - and for what? and on what legal basis?

Somebody needs to serve a cease and desist order on Monster Cable for filing frivolous lawsuits!
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- hmm (profile), 7 Oct 2011 @ 12:49pm
  
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  they didn't sue Disney...they shit their pants when Disney asked if they were GOING to sue, so they could plan a counterclaim that basically would have raped monster cable inside out.
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Anonymous Coward, 31 Oct 2011 @ 3:01pm

I remember one time a salesperson at an electronics store tried to sell me gold plated optical cables. I honestly couldn't think of anything to say to that. I just turned around and walked away.
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nysexcort (profile), 17 Nov 2011 @ 12:32am

not to blame
websites are not to blame for people actions point blank. if someone run someone over with a car do you blame the car? if you like backpage you will love nysexcort.com
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k, 14 Jan 2012 @ 9:10am

munster cable
I will stop buying all monster cable products.It bewilders one who's sole existence is on something that actually serves artists or the appreciation of music could be so pathetic to shoot themselves in the foot out of the need for immediate financial greed.
This is bad thinking on their part and whatever executives they hired who put this forth should be let go after they pay a penalty
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k, 14 Jan 2012 @ 9:11am

munster cable
I will stop buying all monster cable products.It bewilders one who's sole existence is on something that actually serves artists or the appreciation of music could be so pathetic to shoot themselves in the foot out of the need for immediate financial greed.
This is bad thinking on their part and whatever executives they hired who put this forth should be let go after they pay a penalty
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tax payer, 14 Jan 2012 @ 9:12am

Am I missing something here? Once I purchase a product, it is mine to do with as I please. If I want to sell it to someone else, whose business is it other than mine? I buy a car, when I am done with it, should GM or Ford inhibit my ability to sell it to someone else, no. It stopped being theirs or their business when I paid for it. For Congress or any corp to stick its nose into my ability to do what I want with my property is wrong and should not be allowed to happen. Besides, Congress has no credibility in financial matters any more. Maybe once they stop spending more money than they take in, can they talk to me about financial matters.
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Dave, 14 Jan 2012 @ 9:35am

Maybe those companies need to be sued & labeled as rogue sites by the companies & sites who are being called as such.
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- Anonymous Coward, 15 Jan 2012 @ 10:24am
  
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  Again, just look at the SCOTUS 5-4 Citizens United decision. It's one unconstitutional outrage after another and it's a logical next step to ban reselling by individuals! You think it won't be tried in a variety of insidious small steps? Look at the poster who says he needs a permit to hold a garage sale in his town.
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Roark, 14 Jan 2012 @ 9:35am

Time for the 99.9% (We the People) to take back the world
There's 13 extremely powerful families (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Queen Elizabeth, Bush, etc) who've made it their mission in the past couple hundred years to literally take over the world and they're moving right along with this sinister plan.

When we've awakened enough people who are ready to stand together against the globalist illuminiati's and their New World Order, we can do this!
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- nasch (profile), 14 Jan 2012 @ 11:00am
  
  Re: Time for the 99.9% (We the People) to take back the world
  There's 13 extremely powerful families (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Queen Elizabeth, Bush, etc) who've made it their mission in the past couple hundred years to literally take over the world and they're moving right along with this sinister plan.
  
  They must be headed up by the Pentaveret, who of course meet triannually in Colorado at The Meadows.
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- Anonymous Coward, 15 Jan 2012 @ 10:15am
  
  Re: Time for the 99.9% (We the People) to take back the world
  Do what?
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anonymous, 14 Jan 2012 @ 10:05am

what next? a ban on garage sales?
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good guy, 14 Jan 2012 @ 10:43am

Fuck 'em all
Suck my dick bitches
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JD, 14 Jan 2012 @ 11:02am

The town I live in already limits you to 2 yard sales every 12 months. And you have to pay to get a permit just to have those. Now eBay and craigslist are trying to be controlled... how do they expect families to get by in this current economy. SMH
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- Gorgon, 18 Jan 2012 @ 1:16pm
  
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  What town do you live in? So I know never to visit.
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Canvasback, 14 Jan 2012 @ 11:40am

Second hand markets
We could use Monster's argument and apply it to the stock market. After the IPOs any further stock sales don't bring any money in to the company. The NYSE is a "rogue site."
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joseph pablo, 14 Jan 2012 @ 2:56pm

this is insane
Where is the freedom, where is my bill of rights, whose the idiot wasting our tax dollars. Lets vote
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- jacob, 17 Jan 2012 @ 5:12am
  
  Re: this is insane
  Vote? Die bold Inc manufactures your voting machines in America... bank of America owns die bold so basically bank of American controls your voting. Hahaha. Have fun voting....
  Oh yea also the same voting machines got bofa a trillion dollars of your own "bailout" tax dollars then they just loan youyour own money back at high interest ... well that's if your lucky enough to have good credit but that's a whole another story so I won't even get started in the credit business
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???, 15 Jan 2012 @ 12:51am

weird...
I get the feeling that the comments promoting Monster Cable are basically the company itself posting comments to make themselves look good...
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ex-tweeter, 15 Jan 2012 @ 9:58am

nothing says "i paid too much for cables" like monster cables.
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hot_karl, 15 Jan 2012 @ 9:59am

the wild west days of the internet are soon to be over
even if this doesnt pass, something just as bad will pop up in the next 5 years.... some old man was telling me that in america back in the day you really could just do w.e you wanted

:(
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josh, 15 Jan 2012 @ 11:27am

craigslist
Monster can suck it craigslist is great for everyone.
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A patriot, 15 Jan 2012 @ 12:54pm

censorship
It seems as though they are failing to consider our constitutional rights as americans to venture into the endeavors granted by the rights of liberty.

In my opinion those mentioned websites on the "list" are not but tools used by the general public and others in pursuit of an objective to which the public and others that may use those tools may to certain extents be questionable....

Should everybody have to change because something happened to somebody...What of the proper sacrafises in order to assure our constitution of liberty...Should we outlaw a whole appendage of industry and judge the innocent as a matter of convenience.

To many laws mandated lately in my opinion as a matter of convenience rather than to keep the peace where will that lead us as americans but to the destruction of our sovereignty...

From an american patriot.
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Drako Tags, 15 Jan 2012 @ 7:57pm

Funny..
Hey, wait a minute. I worked for Sears once.

Both Costco and Sears are licenced to resell Monster Cables through Resllers agreements with Monster.

So, Monster's only beef, these 2 are selling them for less than what Monster sells them for. (Not by much though.) Hey, Monster already made to profit on the cables...and sure they have an MSRP - but resellers (by law) do not have to sell at the MSRP. (All resellers will sell the cables at a markup to make a profit though.)
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jan 2012 @ 7:01am

I just laid a Monster Cable in the crapper this morning. Felt good.
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Anonymous Coward, 16 Jan 2012 @ 7:10am

I had so much corrupt data between my PC and HDTV that all I got was pr0n. I replaced cable with a Monster Cable and now the pr0n is gone but now I can't find CL either. Damn, now how am I going to find my next 3-way!?
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George Allen, 17 Jan 2012 @ 9:21pm

that is shit.
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SWETone, 17 Jan 2012 @ 9:43pm

This makes my brain balls tickle...
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Anonymous Coward, 17 Jan 2012 @ 10:10pm

leave me alone
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JasonD, 17 Jan 2012 @ 10:18pm

Wait...
I'm on the good guys side but...
Isn't Monster just listing companies where which not to buy their cables from? They include, for example, craigslist on their so called "rogue" list, but isn't that valid, because counterfeit cables *can* be sold on craigslist? To me, it seems that Monster's list referenced in this article (http://www.monstercable.com/counterfeit/dealers_blk.asp) is fair, as it is just making their customers aware of outlets that could possibly sell counterfeit products.

Am I wrong? Do I not get it?
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- nasch (profile), 18 Jan 2012 @ 6:06am
  
  Re: Wait...
  The problem is that they imply that any purchase from someone other than an authorized dealer is probably going to be counterfeit, when the reality is it's probably going to be a genuine article, but possibly used. They really want to kill the used market.
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Aaron, 17 Jan 2012 @ 10:32pm

Monster Cable
I'm so disappointed I bought beats by Dre headphones. The headphones are amazing but I feel disgusted about the company. I almost don't want to wear them. I never realized they were such a ruthless company.
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daiown, 17 Jan 2012 @ 10:57pm

stupid
Were already loosing enough in indiana monster sux
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 12:17am

No comment
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Lauren, 18 Jan 2012 @ 12:45am

Rogue sites?!
Rogue-

Noun:
A dishonest or unprincipled man.

How could craigslist be pronounced as an unprincipled site? It's done a lot for people and cities everywhere. Opening eyes and opportunity for everyone. A lot of people not only use this site, but NEED it.
Thanks,
Lauren
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Holly, 18 Jan 2012 @ 12:45am

If indeed these powers that be; are going to bullishly push Internet control through in spite of 'the people's' wishes; I can see many of us losing complete interest in using the Internet at all. It will be a sterile and stale piece of communication that will belong to "them"..........They are separating and isolating themselves from the general public. Can't we all be nice and get along??Those who push power and bully will realize; when it's too late; how little they truly accomplished.
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 1:51am

why dont u worry more about welfare fraud and in house government screw ups
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Meatball, 18 Jan 2012 @ 2:31am

Craigslist
Turn on my shit. Dickheads
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Ebay and Clist??, 18 Jan 2012 @ 4:58am

Ebay and Clist?
I hope i'm getting trolled here.. cause this is some shiz
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James, 18 Jan 2012 @ 4:58am

turn it back on this is the site i found my job o.
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Alen, 18 Jan 2012 @ 5:42am

Why don't they just shut up an quite messing wit criagslis .an all tha other sites they've screed up
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 6:11am

Blow me
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mr. blowhole, 18 Jan 2012 @ 6:13am

Turn on my damn craigslist, this is how i make money
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Governments so dam noisy, 18 Jan 2012 @ 6:46am

Leave alone wat doesn't concern u.. We the lower class make our money legally through websites like craigslist.
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ISRAEL MARTINEZ, 18 Jan 2012 @ 6:57am

QUE ESTA PASANDOOOOO
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Fred Astaire, 18 Jan 2012 @ 7:31am

Communism can't work here either!
I keep reading more and more political garbage about these various bills. Sounds to me like the people behind these bills are not only threatining our right to free speech, they are threatining the very purpose of the security features built into a de-centralized web. In other words, it won't be a web anymore.
This is what they have done in comunist china. This is a threat to our nation's national security. (look at china). It is threatening to destroy capitalism as well.
One of the main problems I have noticed besides the fact that most americans don't care, is that most of the "Action" ideas that I have read about don't look like they would have any effect on the outcome.
I am concerned that the only amendment that will remain may well end up being the second one. (right to bear arms).
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katelynn, 18 Jan 2012 @ 7:34am

omg
I think this is dumb everyone loves the sites
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harold, 18 Jan 2012 @ 7:45am

craigslist
this shit sucks i love craigslist
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pink, 18 Jan 2012 @ 7:55am

i oppose
I oppose
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jorden, 18 Jan 2012 @ 8:18am

i oppose
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 8:26am

wytf
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Richard Lawson, 18 Jan 2012 @ 8:28am

munster cable
All i see is Monster Cable trying to exploit any sites that my be competitive to them,we as Americans do have the rite of FREEDOM OF CHOICE,so if they win, we lose your right as stated in the UNITED STATS CONSTITUTION, FREEDOM OF CHOICE we also have FREEDOM OF SPEECH,,so listen to ti this Monster Cable,,
SHOVE IT !!!!
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Mitch, 18 Jan 2012 @ 8:41am

Monster Cable
As a sound reinforcement engineer, I can tell you that there is NO DISCERNIBLE difference to the ear between using lamp cord or Monster cable in your home! Until you get over 30-40 feet it's bullshit. YOU DO NOT NEED 100 dollar cables! They should be embarrassed at taking money from young folks like that!
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- Frank, 18 Jan 2012 @ 8:51am
  
  Re: Monster Cable
  Just to amplify on Mitch's comment. The whole REASON that HDMI and other digital cable formats were created was to get the cable quality out of the loop. As long as the cable is "good enough" to transmit the digital signal, then it is fine. Plating it with gold, or even making it out of pure gold or some other high priced material will make no measurable difference on a digital cable.
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Leslie Rhymer, 18 Jan 2012 @ 8:48am

STUPID
PLEASE WORRY MORE ABOUT TEACHING OUR KIDS HOW TO READ AND WRITE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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atom, 18 Jan 2012 @ 8:50am

pipa/sopa
These govt muthas putts control. Our rights are stripped day after day. If we allow the anal plunder by men who are less than honorable, he'll out and out crooks we are doomed we must " deepen" our use of the web if the outlaws who run our cuntry (no misspelling) win.
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sean, 18 Jan 2012 @ 9:25am

craigs list is the shit so stfu and stop crying already.
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william morningstar, 18 Jan 2012 @ 9:33am

grow up
This country is going to shit. Free country means free country not ass load of laws. Grow up usa
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- sean, 18 Jan 2012 @ 9:35am
  
  Re: grow up
  Agree grow up USA.
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DH, 18 Jan 2012 @ 9:34am

Monster Cable
I went to their website and had to search it out to find any contact info and it was only a phone number but here it is. I voiced my opinion 1 877 800-8989
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DH, 18 Jan 2012 @ 9:36am

Petition
Here is the link to the Google petition

https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/
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Jon, 18 Jan 2012 @ 9:42am

If it ain't broke, dont fix it.
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- Gorgon, 18 Jan 2012 @ 1:35pm
  
  Re:
  Couldn't of put it better. Internet Nazis are the last thing I want. The real world is already regulated enough, let alone big brother fucking with the web!
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 9:52am

leave it all alone...NOW
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Ken, 18 Jan 2012 @ 9:59am

PIPA.SOPA & Monster Cable's greed
From the list of sites they consider rouge..Sears?..Costco?...It is totally obvious what Monsters objection is.

THE Y DON'T LIKE CUSTOMERS TO BE ABLE TO PRICE SHOP.

Totally slimy behavior on their part to try to boost profits by restricting making it harder for people to shop for the best deals.
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frank, 18 Jan 2012 @ 10:16am

this shit is stupid, government needs to keep there hands off our shit. leave our internet alone its one thing we have the freedom to do what we want on it but we got out shady government officals and this bullshit stuff trying to control shit, what is our world coming to. back the fuck off this shit better not pass or this worlds goin to war sick of the government thinkin they can run shit. think again buddy. millions of civilans out here think you can control us all? think about ittttttttt
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- harry, 18 Jan 2012 @ 1:54pm
  
  Re:
  My exact thoughts! The only thing is that millions of Americans cannot join together on one goal. Everybody in their mom has a different opinion in every subject.
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J, 18 Jan 2012 @ 10:54am

Not just greed...Hypocritical Greed
The official Beats by Dr. Dre brand site (http://beatsbydre.com/), is listed on Monster Cable's black list of unauthorized sellers (http://www.monstercable.com/counterfeit/dealers_blk.asp).
However, Monster Cable has Beats by Dr. Dre products in their own product listing. (http://www.monstercable.com/headphones/beats/)

Who's waiting for Monster Cable to black list Best Buy's website (http://www.bestbuy.com/) for PIPA?
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lyssa, 18 Jan 2012 @ 11:37am

our four fathers
Our four fathers had the were a part of the revolution against brittian. Had the Boston tea party for taxes, and than came up with our constitutional rights. And I'm sorry but these laws that people are trying to pass are in violation of thouses rights. Where are the people that took Prayer Day of the calendar saying it was unconstitutional. These laws fall with that law. All I know is people have fought and died to allow us these freedoms and to have them taken away just like that. I'm sorry we don't have anyfreedoms. We made Iraq add Afghanistan more free than we are. Here we are helping everyone but ourselves. I am very disappointed on where congresses has put America. We use to say I'm Proud to be an American. And now its only said in songs. No one is proud of what congress has made this country into. I am ashamed of my country. Of what congress Nd senators have made it taking the simplist right that was the hardest to get freedom of expression.
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 11:39am

yard sales
If its not sold online it will be in freaking yard sales. Better Include a bann on them too while ur at it
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RAY, 18 Jan 2012 @ 12:03pm

Internet
We need to be sure we vote out anyone voting for this crazy bill! Our rights are being violated again!
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Hmm, 18 Jan 2012 @ 12:11pm

Assuming
Isn't all the businesses that say piracy is hurting them assuming the people "stealing" are even going to buy their movies or music in the first place?
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- Hmm, 18 Jan 2012 @ 12:11pm
  
  Re: Assuming
  Aren't*
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 12:30pm

LOL f-uck monster
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this is wrong, 18 Jan 2012 @ 1:04pm

They need to leave internet sites alone if you want to sensor something than sensor the dang porn sites they should not be allowed on the internet at all...
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Chris, 18 Jan 2012 @ 2:06pm

No Monster for me
We need to know when companies do stuff like this and boycott their products on a wide scale!
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Chris, 18 Jan 2012 @ 2:59pm

No Monster for me
We need to know when companies do stuff like this and boycott their products on a wide scale!
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Dawn, 18 Jan 2012 @ 2:59pm

PIPA/SOPA
What they really need to put censorship on are the filthy PORN SITES on the internet to keep our kids from being able to access them!!!!!!
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 4:00pm

Jjjjjjjhhj
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 6:46pm

I think this is a bunch of bs honestly! i like craigslist & ebay & i shop on both of em alot!
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 6:47pm

I think this is a bunch of bs honestly! i like craigslist & ebay & i shop on both of em alot!
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 6:51pm

Really "Anonymous Coward" when you don't put in your info, more like why would I waste my time putting in the extra crap so you can send me junk mail
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Joey, 18 Jan 2012 @ 7:09pm

The government is too stinking large. Its time to cut it down!
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kg, 18 Jan 2012 @ 7:32pm

costco and sears are on monster cables list because they have listing for products on their site that are not sold or shipped by them, so does Walmart. it has nothing to do with the actual company.
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Anonymous Coward, 18 Jan 2012 @ 10:34pm

hey people how would you like to see the mother of all economic crashes if you don't want to see the crash vote no
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Patrick, 19 Jan 2012 @ 12:21am

You people bashing on Mike and putting everybody who agrees with him in the category of "pirates" are all idiots. Its idiots like you that are handing your very own rights to corporate America. As always, the rich seek to become richer, at the poor mans expense. Our forefathers would turn in the graves over this act of totalitarianism.
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Jonathan, 19 Jan 2012 @ 2:19pm

Deep Breath
Take a deep breath. The referenced page on Monster Cable's site doesn't use the word "rogue". It only says the listed sites are not authorized dealers. There's no attempt to shut them down. C'mon, Costco and Ebay are on the list. No one's trying or going to try to shut down those legitimate business websites.

Not saying SOPA is a good thing, but this type of hype is hurting the anti-SOPA movement because it's raising illegitimate arguments. You don't need hysteria. Fight the legislation with reasoned arguments.
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anon, 21 Jan 2012 @ 12:38pm

Monster is monstrous
Given that Monster's entire business is founded on what seem like fraudulent claims about their products, this behavior is hardly surprising, as it is in keeping with their usual moral standards.

Have they ever been investigated by federal or state consumer fraud enforcement bodies (state attorneys general, etc.)?
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Craig, 23 Jan 2012 @ 8:33am

They'll only hurt themselves
So they want to kill off the secondary market for their own used goods so that everyone must purchase only the new product? Long term that's a good way to kill their own market.

Some competitor would then come in with a comparable product and encourage resale = better reputation and similar product, so most likely more loyalty and sales.
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tom, 23 Jan 2012 @ 2:06pm

Who cares
Everyone knows that monster is a money grubbing company. And obviously if you don't kiss monsters "bottom line" you are obviously an illegal website.
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marcia wilbur (profile), 25 Jan 2012 @ 10:32pm

Monster cable - the irony
I find this article fascinating! In the late 1980s my family owned Apature Products. We were listed as #2 in the wire industry only to the #1 company - Monster Cable.

The ironic thing here is that I have spent over a decade fighting for the balance in Copyright and informing/fighting against the DMCA.

Had the economic tides been turned, perhaps I could have fought and lobbied.

Oh, the irony!
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Anonymous Coward, 27 Jan 2012 @ 10:41am

monster cable company is making a horrible arguement. Yes, I'm sure craigslist and ebay are cutting into there profits, but if thats the case what is the difference to our local newspapers classified ads. So what is Monster Cable trying to say anyone who posts an ad in the newspaper should be charged as well and pay a fine. This has been going on for years and years and now that the economy is in the dumps these big companies are not make what they used to. So, what can they do besides come after us and force there ways into our pockets to continue taking our money.
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justin, 6 Feb 2012 @ 10:24pm

Really?
You guys are just fucking morons. I hope ANNON destroys you when you all try to do this. Nothing Is un-hackable. Nothing.

I'd keep that In mind.
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bart, 6 Mar 2012 @ 4:37am

no cash sales
In Loisiana a bill was past to stop all resale with cash.
what about flea markets and garage sales.
if you put a frog in a pot of cold water and slowly turn up the heat he will cook, but if you put him in boiling water he will jump out
this rouge site buisness is the cold water, the beast is rearing its head
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noone at all, 21 May 2012 @ 11:23am

America is so desperate for "profit$" that it will eventually need to adopt these positions in order to continue its existence.

Sony tried this with their playstation a few years back: They wanted to make all "used" sales illegal because in their user agreement it says "this game is not transferrable"...

Needless to say, their paranoid delusions did not pan through.
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davidbarcomb, 1 Dec 2014 @ 4:45pm

Great they didn't include Techdirt so far
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