Hardware Store That Doesn't Play Any Music Has To Fight Off Collection Society Demanding A License Fee
from the that's-called-extortion dept
We've written plenty of stories about different businesses being shaken down by various music collections societies, and the one we often hear the craziest stories about is PPL in the UK. Recently, it demanded a hardware store pay for a license. Of course, there was just one problem: the store's owner doesn't play any music in the store, saying that after the store is closed up for the night, he'll turn on the radio to hear the news while he cleans up, but that he doesn't think music is appropriate for the store. Still PPL demanded £199. After he refused to pay, PPL apparently claimed that he owed them money and passed it on to a debt collection agency, who started hounding the poor guy.The owner, David Sleath, was finally forced to hire lawyers to try to stop the madness -- and PPL's response was to lower their demand to "just" £100, for music he did not play. Eventually, after Sleath was able to get press coverage, PPL "called him up with a grovelling apology and a promise to withdraw all invoices." Still, he's been stuck with legal fees, and is now trying to get PPL to pay them. It seems more and more like this is just a government sanctioned form of extortion, doesn't it?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/licencefee/
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It's all a pile of shite, but just wait till they classify your PC as a "receiving device", that's when things will get really interesting.
Heh heh, all this brings me back to the time in college when we beat the TV licence inspector by simply cutting the plug off the TV. We couldn't prove it worked so he couldn't make us pay. Ah, memories.
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> till they classify your PC as a "receiving
> device",
Or your phone.
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On top of that the BBC has been exemplary in making its back catalogue available freely (and DRM free). It has only been hampered in this by the fact that most of its TV output contains material that others still own copyright on.
Where this is not the case (eg non-music radio and some classical music recorded by BBC orchestras) pretty much everything is available DRM free forever.
It has gone far enough in this to get the record labels to complain so I reckon they do as good a job as is practically possible.
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From the link you provided:
Ralph Couzens, managing director of the Chandos label said: "We have to pay premium prices to record big orchestras and pay full union rates and we have to pass those costs on to the consumer. If the BBC is going to offer recordings for free, that is going to be a major problem."
Sounds like the orchestral recording business is going to have to stop being such freetards about others making their own orchestral recordings of music that is in the public domain and offering it for free, and get a new business model (their current one is: suckling at the teats of the people forever) because the tide is going out.
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God, you look so desperate, Mike. Don't you have anything interesting to say?
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Memo to all sane people here on Techdirt: the new pirate word of the week is pendulum, I kept seeing it over and over on the e-parasite articles.
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Oh, and that's not Mike that looks desperate, that's a mirror.
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That's a shame, because then you'd have gotten to the part where the collections agency were finally forced to admit that the guy had never done anything to require a licence, yet he was still lumbered with legal fees for the false shakedown.
But, that's typical for you. Don't let facts get in the way so you can just call names and accuse people of "piracy". I can imagine you in prohibition-era Chicago, defending Al Capone and attacking Eliott Ness as "pro-alcohol", since he dared to try to point out Capone's criminal actions...
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> way through the first paragraph
You shouldn't publicly advertise your limitations like that. It's unbecoming.
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It was interesting enough to others, who don't have a hang up in regards to insulting Mike. You know what's funny though? You saying "don't you have anything interesting to say", because the irony is lost on you. You yourself DO NOT have anything interesting to say.
Watch, I'm going to pretend to be you for a moment.
"OMG! A lame story! That tries to make copyright/studios/labels look bad! Let me post it real fast! Teehee!
Man, Pirate Mike, anything to draw people in. Quite pathetic. Boring FUD like usual."
Dismissal of article? Check. Personal attack? Check. Mentioned Mike? Check.
Wow. I could be one of the "troll-type" ACs. No effort or experience (or intelligence) required.
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And now that I've even intimated that some sort of positive actually exists with copyright law, watch the piranha pounce. This place is awesome fun. I feel like I'm at the zoo watching monkeys mate with penguins.
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And now that I've even intimated that some sort of positive actually exists with monopolistic law, watch the piranha pounce. This place is awesome fun. I feel like I'm at the zoo watching monkeys mate with penguins.
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Monkeys mating with penguins? Really?
Now for the Duh-du-joir - Anyone who starts an argument by saying "( insert topic here ) is all ( insert adjectives )" as in "It's [Techdirt] all monopoly FUD" has just lost.
Nothing is "all" one thing.
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So go on, explain to us the positive of agencies being able to extort money from people for activities they do not do, for using products they do not use. Explain the upside of legalised extortion on behalf of people who are not entitled to the money in any way.
I'll wait. Bear in mind that this is far from the only example of this happening so the "isolated incident" or "rare occurrence" defences won't work.
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There are no positives these days.
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Well, here's your chance, then...
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And who gives a damn about an ACs/shill's point?
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God, you look so desperate, AC. Don't you have anything interesting to say?
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Maybe you could show him how it's done? God knows you've failed so far.
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You paid for the recording of the music. Now you're paying for the right to play it?
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What needs to happen is there needs to be a mechanism outside of the society where those people targeted can tick off a form on why it is bogus. The outside people look at the evidence, and then make a ruling. For each bogus demand by the society they need to be fined $50,000.00. That is a number that should hurt and should make them actually review the situations before launching baseless accusations.
Half should go to the target and half should go to the checker. Now we have someone with their own interest in being paid making sure all t's are crossed and all i's are dotted.
If your found to be owing, then you get a $200 fine on top of what you owe for wasting time.
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That would be a rather perverse incentive for the targets of claims to always protest, and the oversight authority to always find against the PRO. You want to align the incentives as much as possible with accuracy, not toward one outcome or the other.
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As it stands now there is not a damn thing done to the societies when they get all excited and demand payments they are not actually owed. They get to make the claim, sell it off to debt collectors, and leave the target paying bills and fighting off creditors over a nonexistent debt. The odds are heavily in the favor of them doing this on a regular basis.
It would never come to be, giving the common folk the same broad powers they hand to corporate cronies, but its fun to dream. There should be harsh penalties built into the law for people making false claims. The target in this case has been hounded and hounded and has a pile of legal bills because the society lied. And he is meant to spend more money in a vain attempt to win back what he is out already?
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Yes. You don't correct an injustice by turning the same injustice on the opposite party.
There should be harsh penalties built into the law for people making false claims.
Agreed, but those penalty payments should not go to the people deciding who has broken the rules. That would be a bit like allowing police officers to keep half of the payments from traffic tickets they write. Where would their incentive lie?
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is it really injustice, or just re-balancing the scales :)
And yes I see all of the possible abuse there, but the lawmakers can't see it when they grant it to the corporations.
As to keeping payments from traffic tickets... have you missed the red light camera/photo speed trap stories on here?
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So you agree that kind of thing is a bad idea and an abuse of power, right? :-)
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Copyright Trolls, Patent Trolls, Society Trolls...
all of them threaten you with large sums and big legal bills and it is often just easier to settle. Not because you are guilty, but because a long protracted battle will bankrupt you.
Maybe revise my original idea and have a $50k fine awarded on top of all the legal fees to someone targeted wrongly. If you know your right, and the lawyer knows he is getting paid you will be able to find a vigorous defense.
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Nice work highlighting that story Mike.
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Shakedown
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