As SOPA/PIPA Still Loom, Techies Already Creating Workarounds
from the of-course-they-are dept
While there's still a fight over whether or not SOPA and PIPA will pass, it seems that people are already working up basic hacks to make the laws obsolete, should they pass. The folks behind MAFIAAFire, the browser plugin designed to route around ICE seizures has created a new offering, dreadfully named "The Pirate Bay Dancing," which will route around any DNS or IP blocking by using a rotating list of proxy servers. If you thought that ICE was upset about MAFIAAFire, you'd have to imagine they won't be at all pleased about this bit of code. Of course, SOPA does have an anti-circumvention clause in there, which would effectively make this plugin illegal. Of course, I can't see how they could possibly enforce something like that. Using a proxy in general is legal. How will they know if you're using a proxy to get around these particular blocks? Either way, it's yet another example of why the MPAA's insistence that DNS blocking remain in the bill shows (yet again) how technically clueless they are. DNS blocking is a total waste of time. It makes the internet less secure. It fragments key pieces of the internet. Breaks the basic agreement of how the internet is supposed to work... And all for what? To create a system that won't actually block much at all?
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I've said it before...
It's as though you went up to a person w/an F-15 jet and told them it was now illegal to use it. Sure, you made your law, but the guy with the jet already blew you up before you could enforce it....
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See the war on drugs.
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Pretty sure this has always been about making casual infringement less likely.
They might not admit it, but that's what it's about.
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They failed badly? All someone has to do is download a browser plugin and problem solved. You don't think the casual guy can figure this out? A fucking 5 year old could figure it out....
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That people would use proxies to bypass the block is pretty obvious, and I wouldn't be so sure that the lawmakers and their staff aren't already planning on dealing with that too.
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What do you consider to be casual infringement?
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It's when you download a movie in sweat pants and a T-shirt, instead of your buccaneer hat, puffy shirt, and eye patch.
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As in, novice computer users dont even know about browser plugins, so to some effect it would stop this bunch.
As easy as it is for "techies" to understand browser plugin, having done IT support, its amazing what most people dont know.
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The novice computer user you are talking about doesn't do filesharing.
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If the bill did pass, and something big like facebook, or youtube went down. That would effect probably every one of these people who know the bare basics. My mom for example knows how to turn the PC on, and get on facebook to play her farmville.
But then that person thinks......"Oh wait! That dude down the block who sells bootleg movies. He knows alot about computers!"
Me personally being tech savy enough to setup most, if not all of the workarounds.....Just thinking it over, I know about 50 people, who would gladly pay me probably 50 bucks just to come over, and make it where they can get back on facebook, youtube, etc. again.
Now with that said........it is almost a promise that the guy who is bootlegging DVDs somewhere knows twice, to three times the amount of people I do. So there is just another shady service that he'll be able to provide, and profit off of.
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Come on.... really? How many times do we have to do this? There are hundreds of different kinds of ripping soft wares. There are thousands of types of hacking tools... its already illegal to download the stuff in the first place.. no one pays attention to the laws that exist now, much less new ones...
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criminals have no problems getting guns. its the legit player who has to wait 7 days.
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A lot of what we do is illegal in China (like watching porn) and we give a crap about breaking Chinese laws as much as we give a crap about breaking US laws.
We are Swedish citizens, we are not breaking Swedish law.
US lawmakers can go suck an egg for all we care.
If it becomes illegal and Mozilla asks us to move, we'll host this on our own _Swedish_ website (in English of course).
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Except that workaround will be illegal, putting mafiaafire guy and mozilla in legal jeopardy. Not as casual as you think.
And the government can't do anything about Mafiaafire, for the very reason that the programmers aren't US citizens.
And even if they were, any code can bbe anonymously distributed over Tor and Freenet.
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So Sweden shouldn't have any problems with it, right?
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Duh.
Of course, Slysoft's website might be one of the first to vanish under the 'Rogue Sites' provision, their software being the first and still best for moving MY blu-rays to MY media server.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_file
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this will be one of those issues where people dont care for the law, much like lying about reading eula
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Hang on.. It still is illegal in the USA..
Just because some lawmaker in some tinpot city like DC makes a law that says that the use of some technology is illegal means sweet FA when the rest of the planet can and will use, distribute, improve, disassemble, create, and wave it from their middle fingers at any time they so choose.
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Keeping that in mind we designed this.
You don't need to _know_ what a proxy is, how it works or change any of your browsing habits... it just ****ing works! (Added the stars and the extra word so we do get sued).
In short:
People dont really understand tech nor like change.
The idea is, you don't change any of your habits, except for the initial install, you won't feel it if sites get seized or blocked.
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Use it in good health my cyber brother ;)
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Sigh
Brilliant!
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Thank you!
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And the guy who wrote the original code to break the Non-Copying of DVD's was what 15 years old at the time ?
I forget now the whole story just remember he wanted to copy DVD in Linux.
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to control the Internet, to preserve their way of life, to keep the exorbitant prices they charge, the refusal to adapt and try to force people to continue buying little plastic disks.
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Those guys clearly don't want a free world where people don't need them.
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Its a bright future for the public at large. We will have a ton of growing pains, with the government becoming ever more secretive and controlling, always months or years behind the curve.
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Anti-circumvention
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PIPA and SOPA
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Workarounds to continue what you claim you're NOT doing?
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In fact, you mentioned piracy right in your post. Shame on you for pirating. Don't you know that's illegal?
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Can you help me find where someone here said they wanted to use this workaround to continue piracy? Thanks.
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Mike wrote: 'dreadfully named "The Pirate Bay Dancing," '
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some people use heroin. oh no, I just became a drug addict!
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What's that got to do with "continuing piracy"?
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"It fragments key pieces of the internet. Breaks the basic agreement of how the internet is supposed to work... And all for what? To create a system that won't actually block much at all?"
That says nothing about what Mike himself does, nor does it have to for him to make his point.
Your style of interpreting these posts is like reading every fictitious character as an autobiographical stand-in for the author. Even people who don't pirate can say "this isn't going to work" as a valid criticism of the bill!
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We're talking OOTB. If there wasn't a reading comprehension fail on his part, I believe the world would end. Its like destroying the TARDIS -- you just don't do it if you want the universe to survive. We should all be thankful that OOTB continues to fail at reading comprehension.
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(Sorry OOTB, it was too funny not to post. Please don't take it personally.)
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Doctor Who FTW!
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Seriously, it's hilarious.
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It's not about pirating, Blue. We are all worried about the people around you in real life. If these bills become law and Mike decides to shutdown commenting here on Techdirt because of the liability concerns, you would have no place to post your confusing tirades and those around you would have to listen to them. Seriously, we are only thinking about you and yours when we oppose these bills.
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Cheers, dumbass....
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And once again, stupidity on display. The workarounds are to let me get to a site for my own legitimate purposes, regardless of whether or not this horrible legislation results in a site getting taken down, because there will be collateral damage with this bill, but I won't feel it, thanks to MAFIAAFire.
Cheers, dumbass...."
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Oh, right. I forgot that you're an exception to all rules and even laws of physics. You just go to links sites to LOOK at the links.
And yet again, betraying your own calls for debate and civility shows that you don't consider yourself required to be honest, let alone decent.
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No, idiot, I go to sites for my own legitimate reasons which have nothing to do with piracy. I go to the Pirate Bay to get the latest Pinguy distro. I go to YouTube for the non-infringing videos.
"And yet again, betraying your own calls for debate and civility shows that you don't consider yourself required to be honest, let alone decent."
You're the exception to that rule. I don't want to debate with you because you're an insignificant tool. In fact, I'd be far happier if you'd figure out a way to step away from your computer for five minutes and instead step in front of a bus traveling at a very high speed. You have no worth, pal. Zero. You're a stain, nothing more....
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This though is just my kink about lynks. And lets not talk about Zelda
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Warning the above weirdness is only because I know out_of_the_blue_without_any_clue can only understand this Vogon Poetry type of writing.
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A ten second music clip is piracy to them.
Posting a movie poster is piracy to them.
Not liking them is piracy to them.
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If no:
As others have posted, its not about pirating - these ham fisted attempts at controlling the internet are just going to fragment it into country specific chunks rather than the full internet as we enjoy it today.
MAFIAAFire refuses to sit idly by and will use our spare time, as well as spare change, to match 50 cents for every million the MAFIAA spend - but still kick their ass!
(Hey! We are the first to admit we are not in the 1% but definitely the 99%)
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Not really sure if your one quick line was trolling. If yes, well done! /b would be proud of you!
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Hmm. Was indeed quick, yet a valid point. I mostly post such out of charity for the fanboys to rail at, otherwise they'd have nothing but "you're so right, Mike".
In all seriousness -- though I'm sure most here will pooh-pooh it because they can't actually BE serious -- won't surprise me if jack-booted thugs kick open your door and drag you off never to be seen again.
The police state is HERE, not just imminent. A country that invades two others and kills hundreds of thousands doesn't care BEANS about your rights. I'm not being any more alarmist than justified. Can't you people put two and two together reliably from what you see every day? The nice lawful prosperous 20th century is over. Everything is changed now, you can't rely on due process or redress in court.
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Take a breather, get away from the site and get yourself checked in somewhere. Your kind of nuttiness is not what we can use in the debate here.
And yes we do like debate. We're not all yes-men/women.
But we like to debate on points, not on truthiness, not on conjecture and not on diatribes such as yours.
All the points you bring up are way off base, way off topic, and just sheer lunatic. If that's a courtesy from you, then please stop trying to help us.
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What will go into law is the financial blockade -- it will be trivial to command that Visa, Paypal, MasterCard etc. stop doing business with a site, and probably this will include advertisers as well.
The effectiveness of a financial blockade strategy has already been demonstrated against Wikileaks (where the US has marshalled private firms to destroy a journalism enterprise, but that's another rant about the police state which is already here).
Google is already making big public hints about "follow the money", indicating their support for the financial strategy.
This will have much the same effect of strangling future net developments as the full-monty version of SOPA would.
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BTC, FTW?
Inexorably leading to (more of) the SAME act : "Stop Alternative Monetary Expedients"...
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Why not just run your own DNS server?
I imagine that the DNS server blocks would be at the ISP level, not to root level, correct?
If not, I suppose a guy could just tell it what authoritative source to use as it's root.
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It's not that resource intensive to run a DNS for one person or a small group, it will however eat a lot of storage space after a while.
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Being in Canada, I'm not sure yet how affected I'd be by this legislation, but I have a feeling we'll feel the full impact of it here.
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When you open your web browser and type in, let's say www.google.com, the computer doesn't look for www.google.com. Instead, it translates that into a 4 sets of numbers of 2 numbers each (e.g., google would translate to 74.125.39.104). Your computer would go online and look up what's called a DNS server and ask it to translate google.com into a number. The DNS server would say "here's your number, go here to connect to google" (sorta like asking for a telephone number, so to speak).
With DNS blocking, your computer asks the DNS server to translate google into a number, but with the site blocked, the DNS lookup fails. At this point, DNS servers based in and operated in the US cannot be trusted to resolve DNS lookups, so DNS servers from all around the world start to spring up. Trouble is, most of these new servers are unknown. Thus, when you configure your web browser to ask a DNS server not based in the US, you're essentially putting your blind faith in a complete stranger. Your computer would ask the DNS server to translate google.com and instead of the numbers I gave you earlier, gives a false set of numbers, potentially leading your browser to load harmful web pages (perhaps you looked up your bank's website and instead get sent to a realistic looking fake).
At this point, the internet has become massively less secure. The only real solution at this point is to have to memorise the IP addresses of every website you want to visit (the set of numbers I listed above).
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Well, that and for most people, faith in the ability of Microsoft to stop viruses. We all know how effective that is. -- BUT you're not forced to do that unless you wish to get to a blocked site.
Since you don't pirate, I doubt that DNS blocking will EVER be so common as to be noticed, nor will your quest for the alleged legal parts of blocked sites EVER lead you to need another DNS server. -- I don't see the reason for a panic, but it's about all you guys have got to protest SOPA with.
[Once I have an IP address, it can go into my local "hosts" file to skip DNS entirely. You should learn what a "hosts" file is.]
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What about when the copyright maximists start having sites blocked left and right? (see history of DMCA abuse for proof of this claim) Once that happens, people will start in their droves to use alternate DNS servers.
Hang on a minute Blue...did...did you just say I don't pirate? But this flies in the face of everything else you've written, where you've accused people you've never met of piracy, without proof. Why the opposite tactic now? Btw, I do pirate, and am proud to say it.
And no, its not just the DNS blocking isn't what we protest about. Its the fact that a mere accusation is enough to starve any website or startup of income, all without having to go through the courts.
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You too.
http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_file
Since SOPA and PIPA only blocks DNS queries people can make their own lists and when IP blocking start being used people can just use proxies or network overlays.
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Wow, that's just an amazing pro-active bit of circumvention on your part.
You must be a pirate amongst pirates.
Or is it just to stop the darstedly evilness that is Micro$oft and Google from entering your CPU frequencies to modify your slash key o�o
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A question comes to mind. Is it not possible to spoof a DNS server such that a query for an address can be directed to another site?
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SOPA makes the internet less secure for longer.
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Not saying all alternative DNS servers are bad, but there will no doubt be more than a few scammers jumping on this new opportunity.
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If there are 100 different root servers set up for different regional laws, you may need to send your DNS request to a server that forwards it to another DNS server on a different root system, and then to another until it can eventually be resolved. It will be practically impossible to verify every hop and every server on in that series isn't malicious.
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It took 10 years to plan that crappy thing and it would take a decade more to implement it, SOPA just throw that away and make everybody go back to square one on the security front, so SOPA will let you in a insecure state for longer and probably make any future security harder because to allow tampering in the system even for supposedly legitimate reasons is to open the door for the illegal too since there is no global agreement on how the governments should pursue such thing, the system can't be build to accommodate each and every particular of every country out there.
Besides it allow governments to hide what they are doing, which is never good for anybody.
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Does China's Great Firewall work? -- Yes, largely.
You guys all style yourself intrepid hackers, but just ask yourself IF you'll use those work arounds after you see a few examples made.
And yet again, I ain't /for/ SOPA and whatever attendant problems it makes. But the industry reaction -- and further escalation -- is absolutely predictable and enough justified that Congress is easily swayed to yet more fascism.
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Think this more or less on topic: Know why I'm not much worried about SOPA? ... Read Glenn Greenwald today for the latest actual danger to liberties: the entire world is to be "legally" treated as a battleground with the military arbitrarily nabbing people, no charge, no trial, no rights. The gov't is on verge making all your premises of due process and reasonableness obsolete.
Greenwald writes poignantly: "To be perfectly honest, I just couldn�t get myself worked up over a bill that, with some exceptions, does little more than formally recognize and codify what our Government is already doing."
So, continue to focus on that you'll still be able to illegally download porn and games: lets me mourn less for the country to see how empty-headed you kids are.
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Ok, I'll bite:
What do you suggest?
Let them just get away with doing whatever they want?
Bend over, pray they are kind enough to pass you the lube?
The thing is, they are playing our... domain(hehe), we will run rings around these idiots. If we were playing in the courthouse they would do to us what we are doing to them: kick ass.
They escalate: we dodge, hop, skip and jump and get out a new solution.
While they have to find someone to look into each of our "solutions" and how to "fix" it, we look at what they do and a couple of minutes later we know how to respond.
Cat and mouse, whack a mole or pick your favorite phrase but remember our moles are on steroids, bench press 300 and are holding your mamma hostage!
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- and further escalation -- is absolutely predictable
Ok, I'll bite:
What do you suggest?
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Not to be rude or even contentious, but YOU are playing whack-a-mole with a browser plug-in.
MY solutions are more comprehensive, basically to tax The Rich (including Big Media) back down to where they're no longer a danger to the 99%. I recognize that's reaching for the stars, but no other solution short of bloodshed EVER gets The Rich (and the gov't they own) back under control.
But I tire of fighting uphill battles against both The Rich and smartass little fanboys who foolishly think that they can flout laws (such as copyright) and not have it come back on them by a general disregard for laws and their own rights such as The Rich are implementing today. That comes out here as various railing, specifically that browser plug-ins just aren't enough to overcome a gov't that has plenty of jack-booted thugs.
Besides that, in general, Mike's quaint notions aren't a solution to piracy. Big Media HAS a solution that I think, sadly, WILL work, and The Rich don't care what "collateral damage" it does.
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The 95% have more people working on their problems. If it comes down to class warfare, 95% will always win. That is why the 5%, or 1%, or whatever minority you wish to demonize will not let it come to class warfare. Generally, they didn't get into their positions by being dumb.
That's also why China is such a threat
1 billion > 300 million
They have a lot more human capitol than us, which is why we should be focusing on being more efficient instead of saddling the market with bad regulation that add inefficiencies.
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Are you saying we are doing the whacking and they are the moles? If that were true then we would be the ones with the power, and thus the hammer. While I do think optimistically that's a little too optimistic even for me!
MY solutions are more comprehensive, basically to tax The Rich (including Big Media) back down to where they're no longer a danger to the 99%.
While you are there get me a unicorn for my kid please!
Would ask for a fairy but you would probably get me Tom Cruise or Clay Aiken :P
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And I don't care about the rights of self centered people who are stealing the rights of others under the claims that it is the law.
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2. Who here is focusing on games and porn (and movies and music) other than the supporters of the bill? I believe the fact that this bill is a civil liberties nightmare has been a prominent theme here.
3. Of course some in government wants to give the military the ability to detain US citizens from inside the United States without a trial. How else will they be able to use all that information they've been illegally gathering if it would be inadmissible at trial?
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all you idiots that say "quit being paranoid", "worry about it when it happens", "it doesn't stand a chance of passing" think about this...
worrying about stuff when it happens is one of the worst mistakes you can make. I've done it too many times.
the bill does have a chance of passing
this isn't paranoid conspiracy theorie bs, it's reality. they already censor tv, they already have a warrent to listen to your phone conversations with no probable cause (remember it's for your own good!), they already tell you what you can and can't do all the time.
all I'm saying is. if this bill passes (and it appears to have lots of support) then what is the point of having the internet. it will be rendered almost useless.
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I don't get to ask these kinds of questions on other sites like ars or TF, but I was wanting to know if you have considered that putting a publicly available proxy list into your plugin may result in people using your plugin for "other questionable things" besides accessing TPB or other sites. Are these proxies taken from a private listing that can only be accessed one-at-a-time by clients or is it taking proxies at random from a large proxy listing site?
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We have no control over the proxy sites (which is good - no central point of failure) what people do once they reach these proxy sites is not any of our business.
A person can do _exactly_ whatever they could do previously on these proxy sites. Our addon does not give them extra powers to do more or less.
Think of it as a taxi service, we take them to the airport... what they do once they get to the airport is out of the scope of the cab driver.
We have no idea why they are going to the airport either and quite frankly, it's none of our business.
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Why are you all feeding the troll? Ignore what he says.
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Re: Why are you all feeding the troll? Ignore what he says.
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