Desperation Of SOPA/PIPA Supporters On Display At CES
from the are-they-serious? dept
Yesterday, at the Innovation Policy Summit at CES, I attended the panel about SOPA/PIPA. The who, what, where and when is mostly covered via that link, but I wanted to focus on the comments of the one SOPA/PIPA supporter on the panel: Sandra Aistars, from the Copyright Alliance. I have to admit that I was pretty surprised by some of her statements, mainly because she didn't actually seem to understand what was being debated at different points in the conversation, and any time people asked an even remotely nuanced question, she fell back on broad talking points.Ironically, her favorite talking point, which she repeated every time she was challenged on just about anything, was to accuse everyone else of empty rhetoric and hyperbole about the bill. Except... everyone else on the panel was talking specifics, backed up by fact, while her claims didn't even pass the laugh test and seemed like pure rhetoric. She kept insisting that Lamar Smith's "manager's amendment" had fixed all the problems (which is funny, since it sounds like we're about to get a "manager's amendment" to the manager's amendment).
There were two specific claims that needed to be addressed, though, because they're totally divorced from reality (which is all too common from SOPA/PIPA supporters). The first was in response to a question from Andrew Bridges about specifically which sites Sandra thinks SOPA/PIPA need to be gone after. After all, we keep hearing that the bill is needed to go after "foreign" rogue websites that can't be gotten at by today's law. But, as we've noted, sites like The Pirate Bay, Rapidshare and Megaupload all use .coms or .orgs... which are exempt from SOPA/PIPA. Furthermore, Bridges pointed out that US companies have already filed lawsuits against Rapidshare, Megaupload, Kazaa and many other "foreign" players... and have brought many of them to US courts (in fact, Rapidshare was declared legal, which throws a wrench in the whole "rogue sites" thing).
Amazingly, Aistars insisted that those were exactly the sites they were targeting! Yes, the same sites that can and are being sued under existing US law and which are immune from SOPA/PIPA. It makes you wonder if she even knows what's in the bill, or how the bill defines "foreign" sites.
The second stunning claim was in response to a series of quite reasonable questions about why backers of the bill feel the need to conflate things like counterfeit drugs with music downloads, despite them being totally different. Multiple people asked why not craft specific bills to deal with each thing. The usual response to this kind of question is to claim that they're "both the same kind of violation," which is not accurate at all (as we'll explain in a moment). But Aistars took that to the next level, claiming that it was the same sites who were doing both things. To which all we can say is: which sites are involved in both selling fake pills and offering music/movie downloads? Someone on Twitter suggested that I had obviously missed "thepirateviagrabay." So, there's that.
But, really, as pretty much everyone else in the room seemed to understand, the two situations are extremely different. Trademark/counterfeiting laws are about consumer protection against people being fooled by "fake" products with real brands on them. They involve sites that are selling physical goods in exchange for money, where actual product needs to be shipped. Cyberlockers, torrent trackers, search engines and the like -- whether you agree with what they do or not -- have nothing to do with any of that. All of them provide a service for people to upload/download content (some infringing, some not). They're not "selling" the infringing works and they're not "tricking" people into believing a fake product is a real one. The circumstances are entirely different.
Of course, as someone else on the panel noted, we all know that the trademark holders (some of whom support SOPA/PIPA) are not driving the legislation. It's totally being driven by the MPAA/RIAA. The only real reason to lump the two very different things together is so that supporters of efforts to crack down on services that enable some infringement can pretend that there's real "harm." You see it all the time (and Aistars did this as well). Any time people bring up harm, you talk about fake drugs or counterfeit products. But any time people talk about the size of the "problem" they focus on how much traffic goes to cyberlockers. The two things are very different, but by conflating them, they can pretend the problem is both "dangerous to consumers" and "big." But the only way to do that is to ignore the fact that the part that's dangerous to consumers is actually a very small issue, and the part that's big isn't clearly harmful to consumers.
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Hmmm -- Not sure if troll?!?
The real Muppets aren't actually out doing something to stimulate their careers, unless by that you mean in the worm food markets. Jim Henson died in 1990.
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Just to stay on topic even a little, I'm willing to bet that even Kermit sees that SOPA is dangerous nonsense. After all, he's a pretty down-to-earth frog, and probably smarter than most of the folks writing laws these days.
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Heh, I love the Muppets even now. I was just responding to Rorybaust's comment about them being voiced by others and thus not as good as the originals.
Just to stay on topic even a little, I'm willing to bet that even Kermit sees that SOPA is dangerous nonsense.
Certainly agree. The only folks who seem to be behind it still are the gatekeepers and their paid representation.
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He was saying the woman on the panel, Sandra Aistars is a puppet that has RIAA's and the MPAA's hand up her skirt. I hope that helps.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=muppet
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Wikileaks or one of those hacker groups needs to make public all the real dirt on SOPA/PIPA.And it would also be great to make public the finances of all these SOPA/PIPA Supporters so we can all see the money trail and the exact numerical amounts each one receives.
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Sure, anonymous and others could delve a little deeper into the dirt and maybe even make a pretty graphic for the lulz, but most of the data you seek is public and, better yet, others have done most of the aggregating for you.
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Probably you would, but no, normal people would respond with a strong counter argument and verbally shoot them down.
You laugh when you have nothing to say, or no counter argument. And you would only get to do it once.... because after doing it you would be totally and correctly disregarded as a dullard moron.
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And you have already, dozens of times, been totally and correctly disregarded as a dullard moron.
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Politicians may not understand technology to the level always required, but they DO understand that counterfeit medicine and teenagers sharing pop music are two completely different phenomena, and that they shouldn't be subject to the same regulation.
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See next story.....
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120110/08593817365/firefighters-sopa-again-congress ional-fire-services-institute-rehashes-cliches-debunked-anecdotes.shtml
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Politicians are subject to the same kind of information firehose as everybody else, but they have the capacity to understand this part immediately without going through technical training on the concepts of a control-less internetworking protocol.
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Just look at all them "Fake pharmaceuticals" that are being lined up with fighting piracy, make no mistake it's a hearts and minds battle.
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Tebow Tebow Tebow
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However, the valid point you make is either you love or hate Tebow.....for different reasons.
Except that Tebow isn't trying to interfere with my right to surf the net for whatever I want.
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Bimbo
Instead if we were all on an aircraft then would you want this woman to be your pilot? "Lets bundle to people and animals in together and what do these buttons do again?"
This does not inspire faith. All the resources of the MPAA and RIAA and they send us a woman who puts the blonde in bimbo.
I think Mike Masnick got himself a crush. All the people and discussion in this debate and he focuses only on her. LOL
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Even the musician on the panel was against her, and that's someone She's supposed to be protecting!
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Time Warner, I doubt she'd know much about what artists need to survive. And the fact that artists speak up against her is very telling. She needs new ideas because the current ones just aren't working.
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Time Warner, I doubt she'd know much about what artists need to survive. And the fact that artists speak up against her is very telling. She needs new ideas because the current ones just aren't working.
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They did.
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Look at the drug war.
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It was a really weak interview, and the other guests never called her out on the nonsense she was talking.
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heard it on the drive in to work. I think that all of the other guests were probably Itching to dig into her talking points script, but the DR show is not really a debate and did not give a large enough block of time (if there is such a thing) to this discussion. Sandra never seemed to get past the "Stealing is wrong. Disagreeing with stricter insane IP laws means you are a Stealer that Steals Things"
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And ofcourse Masnick and co, all wanted to prove that "Stealing is right" !!!!.
Here is some news for you !!!!!
STEALING IS WRONG and she is right, all other points are NON-points if you disregard that basic fact.
It would be like going to church and trying to argue with the preist that "God does not exist", and hoping to enter into a debate about it when every one else allready "gets it" and if someone goes to church or to a meeting like this with the argument that "stealing is right", or God does not exist, then you should be giving zero time as it is not the correct forumn to debate that issue.
If you are pulled over for speeding in your car, do you argue with the police office that the speed you were going was "safe" and therefore legal ? Masnick would.
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Arr, matey, copying is not theft!
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And yes, in some states I WOULD argue if I thought my speed was safe, but those states don't have posted speed limits since the 'double nickle' was abolished.
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...or not caring in the least about someone who posts idiotic comments without logic or rational thought, boy.
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...or not caring in the least about someone who posts idiotic comments without logic or rational thought, boy.
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You can also find her work here, where she talks about the "copyright holders" instead of the artists.
The talking points have been found out and they won't work for this issue. No rogue website has harmed an artist that utilized the technology properly. And still, the MAFIAA make money. What exactly does PIPA/SOPA intend if the artists are making money?
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Her contribution is just.. amazing.
A repetitive and continued yammering, sounding like she is reading a script from a sheet of paper at times and poo=pooing anyone who protests as being unhelpful and not interested in "constructive dialog".
Painting incredibly broadly, doing her best to tie together fake drugs and infringing Mp3s while claiming to have incredible support.. Support from such tech luminaries as The Better Business Bureau (a well-paid big business lobbying organ in too many respects) and "various fraternal orders of police"
Wow.
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Umm if the DNS provisions are already taken off the table entirely, why are they apparently discussing taking them off the table entirely?
So she doesn't seem aware of what sites are/aren't being targeted by this bill. She doesn't seem aware of what mechanisms are/aren't being used to target those sites that may or may not be targeted. What exactly, does this person understand about this bill?
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Arguing with a priest that "God does not exist". That's funny, I did exactly that back when I was in school - got into some very good debates with my religion teacher. Even though I'm an atheist, it turned out that, apart from the priest, I was the only person in the class who had bothered to actually read the Bible.
And talk about conflating issues, which is what Mike has been talking about ALL THE TIME. You're conflating copyright infringement with speeding?
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The Pope doesn't believe in God. Why do you think he hides behind bullet proof glass?
"If you are pulled over for speeding in your car, do you argue with the police office that the speed you were going was "safe" and therefore legal ? Masnick would."
On the 427 in Ontario one night, I was pulled over doing my average cruising speed of 90 MPH ((@145 KMH) on radar) on the ramp leading to the Gardiner. The officer did not ticket me, because on ramps, (notice the sign is a different colour from posted speed limits of 100 KMH (@63 MPH)) it is a RECOMMENDED speed. So yes, depending on circumstances, I would make a Masnickificent argument.
Get yourself some backbone. Stand up straight and quit dragging your knuckles on the ground.
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in that case, the other guests also do not believe Masnicks bullshit. and therefore clearly it is a non-issue, I am sure you have seen many NPR interviews (I have) and they always put competent people of representative groups for a strong counter argument.
They did not call Masnick ofcourse !!!!
It is also very hard to justify breaking the law, regardless of the law. As masnick proposes.
Some people represent the needy, Masnick thinks he is going good work by representing the greedy.
As a result Masnick has gained the authority and respect that you would give to someone you consider a thief, and a supporter of theft.
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*Double checks*
Yep, completely inane comment that completely ignores reality and completely ignores what was written in the article, in a vain attempt to make some sort of potshot against Mike.
I'm just gonna go back to sleep. My dreams will be filled of games and movies I'm gonna pirate: maybe some of the games will end up in my bought and paid for Steam library that currently contains over 60+ games.
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You sure are !!!
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Yeah, well is too busy with his gig on Russian television anyway.
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They did not call Masnick ofcourse !!!!
Actually, they did. I'll be on NPR next week (stay tuned).
And, um, I've been on NPR three or four times in the past as well. So does that now make me credible?
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A number of the infringing sites are indeed tricking people into thinking they're legitimate sources. Visa, PayPal, Amex are listed a payment processors, mainstream ads and all located courtesy of Google in response to a query about where to find a specific movie.
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Arr, matey, put up or shut up!
Post a link or two. I triple dog dare you. Post all of the "number" for inspection. Otherwise, you've got no credibility at all, you're just making assertions with zero proof.
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At most, there's Paypal buttons to DONATE to keep the site up, but that's entirely different to selling the works.
Plus, comments about the evilness of Google ads have been trashed here so many times I won't bother repeating.
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Thats right, exactly.. that is the issue, you are thief's first, and second and only....
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You do not need an excuse to do the "right thing" you only need an excuse to justify doing the wrong thing. Like theft.
An excuse it an attempt to place the blame on someone else for your own actions. Done usually by weak people who are guilty of some offence for which they have no real defense.
So they make 'excuses'.. how about you ????
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If a Star Trek-style replicator were to be invented, why should people obey a law that says "You can't replicate this or that?"
Keep in mind we already have a similar device - a computer that can process (replicate) any type of sound/image. But, we live in a world where we're told NOT to. We're told to pretend that an infinite resource is actually scarce.
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And what is the "right thing" is not always "law". If that were the case there would be no United States and at least a part of this continent would still be part of England.
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I have to give it paper and ink and power and detailed instructions, and it 'replicates' a document !!!! amazing.
Now imagine I had a 3D replicator, and I wanted to create a 3D object, I again would have to feed in the equivalent to paper (metals, plasics, wook, material, leather, rubber.
I would probably have to do what I have to do with my 2D replicator I allready own, it cannot create ink or paper, So I will have to 'pre-manufacurue' the basic components of what I entend to replicate.
SO for a car I would probably have to feed in sheet metal, an engine, or the components of the car.
A 3D printer of the type under development, creates items from a laser hardened resin, so if you want to purchase a ton of that resin and think you can make a car that works with parts make from a plastic then go for it.
It would probably end up much more expensive to buy the weight of resin than it would be to buy a car.
I think you just might live in a bit of a dream world !!
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Note that no where in what I said was infringement (theft, in your parlance) involved. Your computer, no matter how much you want it to otherwise, copies any and all things you perceive from its outputs several times in order to translate them to a format that you can readily understand. The "theft" you so abhor, is in many cases innocent and accidental. In fact, the simple act of storing such copies ought to be encouraged as it spreads the culture and knowledge stored in a more substantial manner. That such behavior, even if maliciously intended, is considered a crime should make you shudder, especially as you parrot the words of others without paying for a license.Only while the dream police are kept at bay!
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I remember fools trying to make this argument in the late 90s. How did that work out?
"It would probably end up much more expensive to buy the weight of resin than it would be to buy a car."
...and when the cost comes down low enough for the average consumer to afford? What then? Whine to your lawyer and politician buddies about people "stealing"?
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The cost to create would fall to almost zero. Open source communities sharing car designs would spring up and propel automotive innovation to unimagined magnitudes - all by sharing information. How could this possibly be a bad thing?
Did anyone watch the replicators on Star Trek and think they were terrible inventions because they were stifling innovation?
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We all know how necessary this is for the safety of the citizens. We all know that stabbings are bad, they're as bad as sandwiches are delicious. That's why these two things need to be addressed as one.
Please vote YES on the StRaS..sammich Act, so that we can fight the onslaught of violent crime on the street via stabbing and lack of sandwiches, so that I may have a sandwich in my belly, instead of a bloody knife sticking out of it. Why would you want people to get randomly stabbed? Get me a fucking sandwich!
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Its the hourly Masnick SOPA Opera
To the Mike Masnick's hourly SOPA Opera, featuring Mike Masnick himself, getting your whites "whiter that white", and your colors bright and colorfull.
Next hour Masnick will show us how if you soak your stained clothes before washing you can remove those staines.
Stay tuned for the next exiting episode of the Masnick SOPA Opera.
and yes...
Something something something SOPA !!!!
Something something something bad
something something something theft is good
something something something redirect
something something something SOPA
Something something something SOPA - darkside.
Something something something Complete
Something something something "I dont have any arguments about SOPA so I will use everyone elses".
DO you ever actually originate an article or stance ??? Masnick ??? or do you just keep googling until you find some comment that you can ride on ?
It seems all your opinions are the opinions of others, and all you can hope to do is parrot their statements.
Do you not have any cogent arguments of your own to present ? guess not... you do not have to read many of your 'articles' to notice this pattern. Is it because you have no balls masnick ? or just because you have no knowledge and are unable to develop your own valid arguments ?
Or is it because this way you have some denial of the facts ? (it was not me who said that lie, it was someone else, I just quoted it and perpetuated it !!!)
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Something something something I
Something something something Don't
Something something something Like
Something something something Mike
Something something something Masnick
[bitterly sarcastic anecdote]
Something something something What
Something something something The
Something something something Hell
Something something something Do
Something something something You
Something something something Mean
Something something something Reality
[awkward reply to flawed argument]
Something something something Skrew
Something something something You
Something something something and
Something something something Your
Something something something Facts
Something something something Take
Something something something Your
Something something something Logic
Something something something and
Something something something Leave
I know that came off as me simply copying your derisive litany, but if you take some time and reflect, you may just realize that there's a hidden gem of innovation in the message. Also, I like your attempt to co-opt the fantastic star wars humor of Family Guy. Unfortunately, the sith emperor formula does not seem to cover all cases. Perhaps you could have gone with a flattering imitation of the giant robot camels, or even Consuela the maid.
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Think of the mice it would save by not having to scroll by certain posters.
I try to read all the comments, but even the word "darryl" (aarghh) gives me a headache now.
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Remember exports ?? that is something the US used to do!!!
Now apart from a few products you export NOTHING...
Movies and entertainment (Hollywood and music industry), Microsoft software and little else.
What group is more profitablel for the US, congress or Hollywood ? or to make it simpler who PAYS money and who gets PAID money ? or who actually creates something and who does not?
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and what percentage do the freetards contribute ?
Many pirates pay tax ? or even operate in the US ?
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Whatever that is, it has a negative sign in front of it.
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Actually a recent research done by this one guy showed that black markets can movement something around $10 trillion dollars globally, they are almost 70% of the whole world and are the ones that stimulate growth, you see when someone doesn't have a monopoly other can enter that market and it evolves naturally, when you try to protect any one player you harm that market.
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WOW, that has convinced me !!!! "some guy did a study".
out of that $10 Trill dollars, (a year, day, month, milium?, hour), how much tax is paid, and what countries does that money go to, and who does it go to?
By definition "black money" is 'not in the system' it is not regulated or taxed, or controlled in any way.
If it is that figure, that would be money LEAVING the US, no wonder they are so keen to stop that flood...
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You forgot the tech sector, which moves far more cash than Hollywood every year. Entertainment isn't even in the top five industries. They're just more vocal.
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what country manufactures your latest I-Thing ?
Or are you talking about the space industry ? oh thats right you dont have one anymore !!!
Or are you talking about the science tech industries, or any "big science" projects ? oh thats right, you dont do that either anymore.
Yes, the US 'tech sector' is powering along just like your economy !!!!!
at least you have Healthcare !!!!! oh wait......
At least you have Masnick (sorry "The Masnick")
At least you have a strong dollar !!! sorry forgot again...
At least you have high education standards.... (LOL)..
At least you have moved out of the middle ages, and put a stop to torture !!!
At least you respect international laws and conventions of war !!!... (or at least learnt to do it in other countries, out of sight)....
No, all in all, the US of A is doing just fine !!!!!!!!!!
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- Spider-man (1967)
- The Amazing Spider-man (1977)
- Spider-man (1981)
- Spider-man (1994)
- Spider-man (2002) cool, a fresh face for an old series
- Spider-man 2 (2004) ok, running out of angst steam and trashcans for all the spiderwebs
- Spider-man 3 (2007) yay! another set of villains to be immediately removed from the storyline
- Ultimate Spider-man (2011) ok, something different, but not really
- The Amazing Spider-man (2012) (we already saw this! ... thrice!!) and it's wildly original trailer
or Batman- Batman (1966) no special effects to cover up the cloth costumes :-D
- Batman (1989) ok, fresh and bold new intrigue
- Batman Returns (1992) he's back
- Batman Forever (1995) he's lonely
- Batman & Robin (1997) ARNOLD! (ICE to meet you)
- Catwoman (2004) down hill
- Batman Begins (2005) oh, well, could you say that again please?
- The Dark Knight (2008) again, please speak up so we can really hear the special effects, er old story
- The Dark Knight Rises (2012) oh, come on!
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"What group is more profitablel for the US, congress or Hollywood ?"
Apart from the atrocious spelling (for god's sake man, web browsers come with spell-checkers, turn them on!)
Congress is a branch of government! It's not a business corporation (even though it acts like one, what with all the bribes and corruption).
There have been past articles on Techdirt showing that the tech industry massively and I do mean massively dwarfs that of Hollywood.
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Desperation Of SOPA/PIPA Supporters On Display At CES
Not nearly as much as the desperation that is displayed on Techdirt in response to SOPA/PIPA.
Clearly Masnick is terrified of SOPA, and is pulling out all stops to fight it, SOPA has Masnick by his balls (if he has them), and he is SO SCARED, he is wetting his little panties constantly and cant stop from crying !!!
SOPA could use this web site as a classic example of the level of fear that this bill has instilled on the freetards.
Look at Masnicks respose and reactions to it !!!!!! He is terrified !!!!!
He is doing ALL IN HIS POWER to stop it, and slowly working out that he actually HAS NO POWER to start with. Therefore the abject terror displayed.
Forget about connecting with fans and reasons to buy, that is secondary and reliant on being able to steal, and SOPA is not letting Mikie get his way... so he is throwing a little (big) tantrum....
It's fun to watch though, watching Masnick fall all over himself trying to justify his stance.
And watching week after week the level of fear increase with his every failure.
Masnicks response, write more !!!!
Something something something SOPA !!!..
Qualtity, but again certainly no quality...
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You talk as if TD has any legs to stand on now, and it appears from Masnicks lack of ability to form his own arguments that is exactly the case.
If you do not think SOPA has had an effect on TD, then you have not been reading the same TD as everyone else here !!
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For the sake of everyone who still retains his sanity, stop.
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I am too...and if you live in the States (but I don't think you do), you should be too.
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At the risk of being ad-hom, are you drunk, crazy, or just Daryl the Dolt?
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Umm...not the ONLY reason...
Can you say, A C T A...
(Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement)
This treaty does exactly that - bundles counterfeit goods in with file sharing. They have an agenda (RIAA/MPAA), and getting this treaty ratified is a huge part of it.
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Here come the clowns
So darryl, and all the other AC's that appear to ignore reality, please continue, you amuse me to no end.
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Wat?
The fact that this for lack of a better word "spasm" has gotten this far is a very real indication of how badly our system of government has been compromised.
They can't even discuss the bill that they wrote. I guess once GoDaddy scampered off they lost their technical support.
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How serious is it for people (the majority) who do not fileshare ?
Sure if you are into file stealing, and theft you might consider it very serious. most dont.
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You know, if you actually read the comments and articles instead of mindlessly trolling, you might know the answer to this question already...
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SOPA and PIPA not just for USA
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you're worried about SOPA !!!, did you just see the video released with the US soldiers pissing on the corpses of the 'enemy' ?
Not that that is at all news, but just 'typical' of US mentality and stupidity...
And you think you are hated because of SOPA !!!!! LOL...
No your hated for much deeper reasons than that, sorry to say.
Which is a great shame because most 'normal' Americans, that I have come to know are very very nice people. Not at all bitter and twisted as is displayed on sites like this one.d
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Sounds like a truther or a Ventura / Jones disciple.
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I mean seriously, when has any of the maximalists that are discussed here brought in a better alternative to Bittorrent?
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I do not know about you, but in my vernacular the word that immediately comes to mind is "selfish".
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where did you get that from ? the US "bill of rights" or the US constitution ?
Also the Government does not "grant" copyright anyway !!!
DO you honestly think that Masnick would be able to produce a Government document that grants him the copyright to this web site ?
He would not have such a document, yet he DOES HAVE the copyright for this web site !!! Go figure ????
No, the Government is simply doing what governments do, govern...
That means ensuring the Governments citizens abide by the laws and rules of the land, and respect the rights of others, and to ensure citizens meet their social and moral obligations.
Rights are not a "thing" that can be arbitarily bestowed on someone, copyright included.
Think of it like owning a car, you have a right to own a car, and drive it,, you also have a right to restrict others from driving your car, even if they do have their own right to drive a car, they do not have the right to drive YOUR car, unless you grant them that right.
Now lets say you own a song (you created it yourself), you have a right to keep control and authority about who can or cannot listen to or use your song, just like your car.
Even though the other person has a right to listen to songs, he does not have that right if it is your song and you choose not to give him those rights.
Is it really THAT hard for you guys ?
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All these efforts are not to protect artists or to protect their incomes.
They're about the "right to keep control and authority". The movie industry freaked out over Netflix, even though its a very profitable company that pays them licensing fees, because Netflix represents a loss of control.
Well sorry Darryl (or D as you want to call yourself now). I don't respect your control. Your so-called right to keep control infringes on my natural right to say and do as I please. I want to sing a song, but according to you, I have to make sure no-body owns it first, which is an impossible task given that there's no central database of copyright. And even then, I wouldn't be sure: I may singing non-copyrighted lyrics, but what about the music itself?
Case in point - the extreme difficulty restaurants and similar venues face when allowing live bands to perform. They're being told to pay crippling licence fees in case someone MIGHT infringe copyright. This ensures that copyright holders have a dictatorial control over who performs music, when and where, even music they don't own the copyrights to.
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