According To Lamar Smith, Data Or Criticism From Anyone Who Doesn't Like SOPA Isn't Valid
from the wow dept
We recently wrote about PolitiFact trashing Lamar Smith for the numbers he used in support of SOPA -- numbers that PolitiFact says grade out to "false." What I somehow missed was at the very end of that article, they ask Smith to respond to the charges that his argument was false. Amazingly, rather than respond to the actual data, Smith chose to instead attack one (of a few!) of the people that PolitiFact discussed the data with, Julian Sanchez:After we summarized much of this research, Smith objected to Sanchez as an expert, saying in an email that because Sanchez is opposed to the anti-online-piracy act, he "cannot provide an objective or unbiased analysis." He stood by his CNN.com statement, telling us: "Since the U.S. is the largest producer of (intellectual property) that is consumed around the world, one can surmise that a significant amount of that total value is taken from the U.S. economy."First of all, what? Considering that the numbers Smith used came from industry lobbyists in favor of the bill, doesn't that mean that Smith should be objecting to his own numbers? After all, the source of those numbers -- the Chamber of Commerce -- "cannot provide an objective or unbiased analysis." Or perhaps Smith thinks that only those in favor of SOPA can provide such an analysis.
Either way, that statement is insane. Smith honestly seems to be saying that any information -- no matter how factual -- cannot be trusted if it comes from SOPA opponents. Why doesn't he have that same skepticism towards the data that the MPAA and Chamber of Commerce handed him?
Furthermore, his decision to stick by his comments is doubly insane. The fact that the US is the largest producer of intellectual property that is consumed around the world... does not, in fact, mean that any counterfeiting is "the total value taken from the US economy." Is this guy serious? PolitiFact flat out points out that it's false, with data to back it up, and shows exactly how Smith is blatantly lying about the data... and Smith's response is to restate the error and insist that the thing already proven false must be true?!?
Smith's constituents should demand better. Having an elected official who lives in a fantasy world where facts are ignored is not a good thing.
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Someone does research, examines the data, and forms an opinion backed up by that data surely is biased!
Sureley this could be said of the pro-SOPA experts as well. That is why it is important to scrutinize sources of the data, and the methodology used to obtain and analyze that data.
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He doesn't have to make sense. He has the stick and the carrot.
Power corrupts.
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/wheresmylobbyistcheck?
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La la la
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http://chadrocco.deviantart.com/art/SOPA-I-CAN-T-HEAR-YOU-278226179
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Because he's met their good friend Ben.
That's why.
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This guy is a decent challenger.
http://sheriffmackforcongress.com/
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I believe that makes Lamar Smith unfit to perform his job. He should serve the people who elected him and expected him to represent their best interests, not the corporations who seek to buy him off and erode the rights of the American populace in the name of profits.
(I'm an idealist, I know.)
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Mr. "I can't hear you" strikes again!
I seriously hope that the internet pulls off an upset and blasts Mr. "I can't hear you" off his sorry ass.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but when you don't even listen to a source that backed up all of its claims by numerous verifiable and trustworthy sources, you don't deserve to be a representative of the people.
And, no. I'm not going to make any *insert politician here* jokes based on that last paragraph. There are far more witty, yet charming people out there that can do a better job than I can.
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Re: Mr. "I can't hear you" strikes again!
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New Texas voter!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Smith_%28TV_series%29
Mind you, maybe this Mr Smith would be a better candidate ... he could hardly do a worse job.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/pap79/i_am_sheriff_richard_mack_im_challenging_sopa _and/
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The ACTUAL numbers also indicate that file sharing can have a net positive effect for the artists building exposure and a fan base.
The ACTUAL numbers also indicate that curbing file sharing would be accomplished by offering the consumers what they want through legitimate channels as opposed to increasing ineffective enforcement.
So no, AC 312, the numbers he is working from are not as valid as those claiming no harm when they interpret the real data available.
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The numbers he is working from have always carried a huge amount of bullshit.
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Actually, this is more of a situation where an elected official will say anything to keep his MPAA and RIAA re-election campaign funds flowing in.
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.....What? I thought the voter base loved politicians who never change their mind and never admit fault?
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Have you been to Texas? His constituents think that Baby Jesus put the oil in the ground 6000 years ago, and that the devil invented the internet to corrupt your children and to turn people into commies. Lamar Smith will probably be elected governor of the nation of Texas if he successfully destroys the internet.
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It really is it's own country
He's not the representative for Hollywood.
It never ceases to amaze me when members of the Texas delegation get on this particular bandwagon.
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best not to assume he's insane
I think it's best to assume that Mr. Smith is rational.
It would be great if these posts also included footnotes, or direct parenthetical comments, outlining the amount of campaign contributions received by the politician in question from copyright cartel. And what percentage that amount represents for them.
It would help a great deal in putting their position in context.
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Regardless of how much money get funneled into his campaign, it's like saying the American flag is green, yellow and brown, then being shown the flag, having the red, the white, and the blue pointed out clearly, and still insisting that it is green, yellow, and brown.
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Mike! You got the dept wrong!
from the "I-reject-your-reality-and-substitute-it-with-my-own" dept
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Really?? I find that hard to believe. For example, Hollywood may have the highest revenues for movies worldwide, but Bollywood dwarfs Hollywood in terms of the number of films that are produced, and the size of it's target audience. As for music, I don't have the figures but I'm pretty sure that there are lots of bands/artists in other parts of the world. I've heard some of them.
A message to Lamar Smith (he reads this blog, right?):
Let's agree that America is a great country. But it is not the only great country. And it isn't the only country to produce "intellectual property". Brazil is a great country. New Zealand is a great country. Germany is a great country. You, sir, need a Copernican revolution. You need to realise that America is not the centre of the universe.
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However, giving it a second read, he might well be right. There is a good likelihood that more US intellectual property is consumed around the world (if by that he means outside its "home" country) than any other nation.
The statement is still a bit disingenuous, though, because US intellectual property is almost certainly a rather small percentage of global production, and most likely a small percentage of total global consumption.
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LOLpirate
Not really, it just lacks intellect. Which is why it's suspicious that they claim us pirates steal intellectual property from the U.S. when there is nothing produced by intellect to steal since U.S. is currently experiencing a period where it lacks intellect, symptoms best shown by Hollywood and Lamar Smith.
I say U.S. as a whole because, seriously, who voted for this guy?
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Of course, almost none of that is in Hollywood or the government. I imagine that's where you were going with your statement though, which I would totally agree with.
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They are not 'official facts' unless approved by the Ministry of Truth.
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Donate to the sheriff!
Mr. Smith is not fit to lead and has already received 400,000US from SOPA supporters.
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F**k lamar, I will kill him if he or anyone who shares his ideals succeeds, no SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/PCFIPA/TPP/OPEN.
I'm seriously afraid these skeletons will get their way and take down the internet so I'm grabbing everything I want as fast as possible
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*sigh*
Toilet Paper Politics
Where the politicians wipe their ass on the rights of people and the legislative process of their country.
As Billy Connolly said "I think, roughly, the desire to be a politician, should ban you for life for ever being one."
Link here http://www.ibras.dk/comedy/billy_connolly.htm
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Completely OT but......
Haha, the atheists have been saying that for awhile.
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Do you mean grayed (or greyed) out?
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Lamir Smith is an honest politician
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SOPA SUCKS
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Lying
Bryan
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