A Terrifying Look Into The NSA's Ability To Capture And Analyze Pretty Much Every Communication
from the be-afraid dept
You may recall that we've written a few times about the "turf war" between the Department of Homeland Security and the Defense Department's NSA over who gets to run the "cybersecurity" efforts for the country. The NSA has been particularly insistent that all cybersecurity efforts should go through it, and an amazing, detailed and positively frightening article from James Bamford at Wired Magazine, which is ostensibly about the NSA's massive new spy center in Bluffdale, Utah, but is really a rather detailed (and well-sourced) account of just how much spying the NSA is doing on pretty much all communications. The article breaks some news in not just confirming the details of the infamous warrantless wiretapping that started under President Bush and has continued unabated under President Obama, but also explains how the program is more advanced and more expansive than previously thought. Basically, the NSA now collects everything, whether or not the law allows it -- and it's building massively powerful computers to break any encryption that is used on that communication.In regards to the question of "cybersecurity," one reason why the NSA wants official control over cybersecurity is that's the curtain it tries to hide behind to explain its massive spying operations:
A short time later, [NSA deputy director Chris] Inglis arrived in Bluffdale at the site of the future data center, a flat, unpaved runway on a little-used part of Camp Williams, a National Guard training site. There, in a white tent set up for the occasion, Inglis joined Harvey Davis, the agency’s associate director for installations and logistics, and Utah senator Orrin Hatch, along with a few generals and politicians in a surreal ceremony. Standing in an odd wooden sandbox and holding gold-painted shovels, they made awkward jabs at the sand and thus officially broke ground on what the local media had simply dubbed “the spy center.” Hoping for some details on what was about to be built, reporters turned to one of the invited guests, Lane Beattie of the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce. Did he have any idea of the purpose behind the new facility in his backyard? “Absolutely not,” he said with a self-conscious half laugh. “Nor do I want them spying on me.”The entire article is worth reading, as it details the extent of the NSA's spying, as well as their near total lack of concern for what the law says it's allowed to do. A former NSA official who left the agency soon after all this started notes that the organization "violated the Constitution setting it up," and that "they didn't care. They were going to do it anyway and they were going to crucify anyone who stood in the way." This same officials notes multiple ways that the NSA could have set up programs that only focused on specific "targets" or those close to the targets, to stay within the framework of the law. He even suggested these to people at the NSA and elsewhere in the federal government and was completely brushed off. The temptation to collect everything is apparently just too powerful.
For his part, Inglis simply engaged in a bit of double-talk, emphasizing the least threatening aspect of the center: “It’s a state-of-the-art facility designed to support the intelligence community in its mission to, in turn, enable and protect the nation’s cybersecurity.” While cybersecurity will certainly be among the areas focused on in Bluffdale, what is collected, how it’s collected, and what is done with the material are far more important issues. Battling hackers makes for a nice cover—it’s easy to explain, and who could be against it? Then the reporters turned to Hatch, who proudly described the center as “a great tribute to Utah,” then added, “I can’t tell you a lot about what they’re going to be doing, because it’s highly classified.”
And then there was this anomaly: Although this was supposedly the official ground-breaking for the nation’s largest and most expensive cybersecurity project, no one from the Department of Homeland Security, the agency responsible for protecting civilian networks from cyberattack, spoke from the lectern. In fact, the official who’d originally introduced the data center, at a press conference in Salt Lake City in October 2009, had nothing to do with cybersecurity. It was Glenn A. Gaffney, deputy director of national intelligence for collection, a man who had spent almost his entire career at the CIA. As head of collection for the intelligence community, he managed the country’s human and electronic spies.
As the article notes, even if such an effort may be useful in getting information on those who wish to do us harm, the threat of it being massively abused is incredibly high:
But there is, of course, reason for anyone to be distressed about the practice. Once the door is open for the government to spy on US citizens, there are often great temptations to abuse that power for political purposes, as when Richard Nixon eavesdropped on his political enemies during Watergate and ordered the NSA to spy on antiwar protesters. Those and other abuses prompted Congress to enact prohibitions in the mid-1970s against domestic spying.But it appears that things have gone very much in the other direction now, with the NSA having much more ability to spy on people today than in the past. And even the idea of strong encryption may only be a temporary way of keeping the NSA from knowing everything you've communicated. Bamford details the NSA's classified effort to build superfast supercomputers that can help in breaking even the strongest encryption being used today. It's not quite there yet, from the sound of things, but it also appears they're advancing faster than most people predicted.
The whole article is worth a read, but it's a frightening reminder of the amount of power the federal government has today and its ability to abuse it.
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I can only say two words...
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Our taxes buys us a way to spy on all US Citizens.
Welcome to the Police State.
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There's no way that a budget of that size is just middle class taxes. I've been looking into civil asset forfeiture and I'm pretty sure that the properties seized equate to a LOT of money that is given to the federal government to budget. Further, I wouldn't doubt that people like Mitt Romney (the extremely rich) use their vast funds to finance an operation like this.
This isn't even a police state. With the proliferation of HR 347, the Patriot Act, the NDAA, special interest politicians, lack of judicial oversight, and an outright war on dissent, this is one step away from a totalitarian regime.
There's so many problems to talk about that it's impossible to know where to start!
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This article points out that from 2009 to 2011, the richest 7% of Americans increased their net worth by 28% while the bottom 93% lost 4%.
The Rich Are Getting Richer And Everyone Else Is Getting Hosed - Business Insider
As income inequality increases, I think more people, out of necessity, will begin looking for ways to drop their cost of living. That means sharing more, spending less, etc. What happened in the past decades was that people were encouraged to maintain their cost of living through increased debt, which supports a system that gives more power to the lenders.
People are going to have to avoid that, even if it means living more frugally. This article talks more about that.
Degrowth, Anti-Consumerism and Peak Consumption
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"Hey, Carl! What do we have on this guy?!"
Carl: "........?not much!"
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...........and your terrorist plots
Yours sincerely
FBI, CIA, RIAA,MPAA, CID, NCIS, TSA, DOD, CEO, MISSION CONTROL
AND MAJOR TOM
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Time to destro the NSA. Their GAY anyway
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No really, I am NOT the Jedi they are looking for.
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Oh I hope they aren't Toydarians.
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It is amazing how everything they put into motion to make us "safer" has been shown time and time again to lead to bigger problems. That every step we take to protect our "Freedom" strips those freedoms from citizens wholesale.
I grow weary of the common refrain we can't tell you what we are collecting and how, because that would aid the enemy in evading us. How can they evade the wholesale collection of every bit of data in the country?!
All of these plans to keep us "safe" cause more terror in the people, and I am sure the terrorists are laughing. We live in fear of what they "might" do... and they haven't done anything in a long time. The one time plan is paying off with dividends.
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They are certainly far scarier to me than any other terrorists organizations.
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Basically, the NSA now collects everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy3eOCkLVaw
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A case of a grand conspiracy with a whistle-blower. How many others didnt? Do you really think this was just AT&T?
Just think how many other ppl have knowledge about this but kept silent.
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Enemy of the State
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Ahem, yes, like the movie, or possibly like a novel written by a talented young author called Echelon....
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It was definitely the movie's fault.
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Seriously. Read Sun Tsu...
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Once collected, the information is easy to share
I just wonder how long it'll take someone to break into the NSA and get their hands on this information.
Well, once information is collected, it is of course much easier to transfer to someone. I wouldn't be too surprised if even one or three foreign countries would have much of the data that matters. Couple of guys in right positions with enough "top secret" stamping can do wonders. Just think about it: how about someone who can say what data to gather for "security" purposes, and then just not telling that what the data is really good is blackmailing purposes. Why not to do it, if you have guys in rights positions?
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Pay no attention to the nuclear missiles that are behind me.
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DOS
Think about it - if they're recording every packet that hits an ethernet line in this country, they're going to be using some form of automation. My guess would be that using encryption would bump your packets up to the next level of scrutiny, perhaps even tying up personnel. So if every one starts using high-bit encryption for everything - even mundane youtube-like web surfing - then we would be effectively executing a DOS against the NSA.
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If I have a million examples of encrypted text, I can encrypt my own texts to see if anything looks 'similar'. If I have a billion examples, well I get more things that might match.
Now tie that in with a current event, like say, Whitney Houston dying, and now there will be clear patterns starting to emerge that they can use to start figuring out what parts they don't yet know.
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That only applies to piss-poor encryption schemes which do not have a good IV or use weak modes like ECB. Any decent encryption scheme is able to avoid that problem.
Go to Wikipedia and read a bit on "Block cipher modes of operation" and "Unicity distance".
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My reply to the NSA
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I am no encryption expert, but call me a skeptic
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A former NSA official who left the agency soon after all this started notes that the organization "violated the Constitution setting it up," and that "they didn't care. They were going to do it anyway and they were going to crucify anyone who stood in the way."
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Our constitution is being ignored by everyone at every level of government these days. It is no longer a government of the people, by the people for the people. Instead of serving one king now, we serve about 536 kings.
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hahahahahaha.....
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Use Keywords
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Maybe people should just pull their head out of the sand and realize the internet is the most un-secure, least private place in the world.
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one of these also has a history of abusing this kind of information.
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If the government is at the beck and call of private companies, there isn't a lot of difference.
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The big companies influence who gets elected, and those who get elected make the laws. While there isn't a direct path, there is an indirect path.
Special interests play a big role in shaping laws. In fact, lobbyists have been known to give those in Congress pre-written laws for them to pass.
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True, but as the article makes clear, they aren't talking about just the internet. They're talking about all communications and records, period.
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Facebook SELLS your information to businesses and governments at profit for themselves and the guy who invented it is Man of the Year.
Who's the real criminal again?
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Actually, they probably don't give a rats ass about you. But your paranoid rantings are classic. In another life, I am sure you were the writer for those wonderful "Duck and Cover" PSAs
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but wait 5 years.. 10 years.. when you're thinking about that political office.. maybe they will
what's funny is i think the people in charge now are of the same mindset as your "duck and cover" people.. completely useless and self-serving
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How do you separate government from the interess of the 1% these days?
Many who say they are libertarians still support national defense as one of the few appropriate uses of government, so in order to decrease efforts like this, you will need to follow the money and also reform political finance.
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The basic fundamental difference is that we've needed electoral reform in order to have a government that supports a majority instead of minority rule.
Once you elect better candidates from various parties, you can undo all of the damage that a two party system has wrought:
More attention to civil liberties
More attention to better education methods
Better working conditions
More job opportunities in various fields
More people focused on maintaining a watch on the government to ensure its interests are those of the people, not the richest among us.
Until electoral reform occurs, we'll always have a two party system that has been usurped by special interests and unwilling to do anything but ensure that its ultimate victory lies in destroying anyone that gets in its way.
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I don't disagree with you in the least. But getting voters to pay attention enough and to care enough to elect politicians who will push for election reform is going to be a challenge. How do you get those people elected in the first place if those who oppose election reform (or do nothing to advance it) are heavily funded?
And I fault the media for not asking hard enough questions to expose lies/inconsistencies. Of course, even if they do, the voters will likely just turn to a news outlet that confirms their beliefs.
I am especially worried about politicians passing laws making it harder for people to register to vote. One way to preserve the status quo is to prevent anyone who disagrees with you from voting.
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There's a fool born every minute
Try never-and one does not want to be the person who does it.
"Disappeared" is the key word here. "Never happened", "never heard of that person".
The NSA isn't giving away prizes for stupid, either.
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History is full of examples of that but we all know better now, don't we? ;-)
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Who watches the watchmen?
Who quarantees that the system does not get corrupted?
How do you know to whom your reports are given?
How do you even know how they are used?
If someone would use the information for e.g. blackmailing - how would you know?
It is common narrative in movies / scifi to describe totalitarian regimes that are democratic on the surface. Not because it would be hard to come up with that kind of system - but because it is very easy to go that way, once the parts are in place. I would arque that many if not all of needed pieces are already in place. And everything will be done for "the better of the country".. (as currently in North Korea, Egypt, you name it).
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Hmmm, this has been proven untrue in past behavior, why should we suddenly expect this to be true in the future?
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If you are an Libyan citizen and have no intention to overthrow or bring harm to the Libya and it's citizens, you have nothing to fear from NSA
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He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. - Benjamin Franklin
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Stop and think about it
We went to Iraq. Companies like Haliburton made good money over there billing the US government for its services.
We lock people up in prison. Who benefits? How about the private prison contractors? Of course, most of the people we lock up are the low level types, but there's still money to be made in running prisons to house them.
We have scanning machines in airports. Who benefits? Makers of scanners.
And so on.
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Smashing fun
And what exactly would the Police do if vast volumes of citizens exorcised their democratic rights? It is a citizen's right to expect Anonymity and Privacy under the Bill of Rights which makes the NSA's entire operation extremely unlawful.
I don't even know what kind of deranged minds could ever believe that spying on the whole population, including their encrypted communication, is a valid thing to do. Are they running off on some ego power trip here while going FAP FAP FAP?
Oh well their goes my name and address flashed up on their computer screens with me then marked as a "possible terrorist"
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NSA Listening??
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Because history is riddled with examples of domestic surveillance being used to actively harm innocent citizens. This is too much power concentrated in too few hands with too little oversight. Abuse is inevitable.
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The irony here...
Never mind the fact that the rate of data growth will always exceed search capabilities.
Sure, you can crunch data to find 'patterns', but that assumes you actually know the existence of said patterns. And the reality is that more data makes finding 'patterns' much, much harder.
In the end, all of this data will be good for one thing, retrospective analysis. It's going to be almost completely useless as a predictive tool.
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Spying is the least of the worry
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Rotary Hammers
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Rotary Hammers
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If I should disappear
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What will be awesome is eventually someone who has the ability will get a list out to the public of the home residence of all NSA and CIA employees. Then the fun begins because none of them will be safe, their privacy will be a thing of the past. Then, I'll be watching their wife's while they shower. I'll record it and upload it to youporn, or I'll start my own website. It'll be, governmentswives dot com. I'll registrar and host it overseas so they can't shut it down.
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What will be awesome is eventually someone who has the ability will get a list out to the public of the home residence of all NSA and CIA employees. Then the fun begins because none of them will be safe, their privacy will be a thing of the past. Then, I'll be watching their wife's while they shower. I'll record it and upload it to youporn, or I'll start my own website. It'll be, governmentswives dot com. I'll registrar and host it overseas so they can't shut it down.
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My gosh since 9/11, no one knows who's on first, and who is
on second. I am concerned,but in perspective...not that impressed.
This article describes an "Orwell Global Society" in regards to what the NSA will accomplish with all their high-tech-technology to spy on everyone! They better have back-up plans if grid ever goes out from opponents, natural disasters,artifical intel computers crash, etc.
China might have a talented distant viewer that could off-set their secrets? Too much hype to scare us. We all know
technology is run by humans,and errors are made;in my opinion...We have some time. Hey, we might apply for jobs
since sounds like this will open many jobs; look at the bright side.
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yea I agree with you guys
98% of people are not worth watching because they are boring and that would be hard work putting yourself through the daily routine of some office drone and his nice republican wife and their consevative daily routine.
i will give you entertainment that anybody could pass judgment on and feel better about themselves.
Were you not entertained??? What should I do next sir???
should i run backwards down the shoulder of the freeway while saluting oncoming traffic and then after a couple miles dart into the 80mph rush of machines?
You people are powerful and I submit to your control.
I hope we can meet face to face one day so i can kiss your ring.
Untill then lets play cruz around. While i cook up some more scenarios we can play out. bb bb bb bb gun plink plink plink. You guys tell me you are the pros.
Can I just go back to doing my job and hating myself or what?
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NSA
Dear Mr. President,
I have written you in twice in the past month with no response. I am writing you again regarding my life for the past 8 years. It all started back in 2005 when the NSA started doing their terrorist acts on me. This began with unwarranted surveillance and physiological warfare. This included car alarms going off, honking, helicopters over head, and emergency vehicles constantly going by me. Mr. President when this all began I had a 15 year old daughter that this also affected. At the time I didn't know or understand what was happening in my life so in turn it caused a lot of problems in my relationship with my daughter. She also did not understand what was happening to her mother. After months of trying to figure out what was going on and why, with no luck, I became very depressed, to put it lightly. My daughter needed me there for her, all of me. She was a child who didn't deserve this. I was a single mother struggling to make ends meat, who had devoted her life to working with children that have special needs. Ultimately, this really hurt me any many different ways because after suffering from depression and needing time off, I lost my job. For the past 8 years I have prayed that today would be the day they would let me go and give me my life back, but I still wake up to the same hell as when it all started. The only difference now is that I'm sick and things with the NSA have only gotten worse, in ways that are unthinkable. I'm just asking you to please help me by putting a stop to this so I can have my life back. I'm sick now so I only ask that I have the same opportunity to live a long, happy, free and prosperous life and get the right medicine I need for my illness. My contact information is 6002 Las Virgenes Rd. #797, Calabasas, Ca. 91302, (818) 919-0621 or my email address is stacyannbee@gmail.com. I look forward to hearing from you soon. I know they monitor my life and don't want you to get this, but I do pray that is does.
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treason for those who think they are and act above the law
Remember that film with Tim robbins as the terrorist but his neighbor dies At the end and is blamed for it all when he was trying to top it?? Thats a real thing! How about Robin Williams? He was murdered. Do the math from the time 911 was called til he was pronounced dead. The paramedic takes roughly 3 min to get to your home. The marin county coroner is 20min away on the freeway At lunch. The coroner got there in 4 min...so was he At another location nearby? Or waiting down the street? It took six min from the time he was found for an ambulance to come? Wouldnt u call 911 immediately. it took what six min for the ambulance to come?? Its the same as Michael jackson, whitney houston, brittany Murphy, and so many others. Celebs die in 2 and 3's. Pay attention. Thks time it was four. They sacrifice people in ways either like the films they were in, out of the Blue (sometimes when tvland is about to air reruns), as part of a solstice pagan thing or other occult reason. I have watched and researched for over ten years! These people are slipping. People are catching on. They are admitting they are losing the fight and looking for more support. Do not dismiss this. You have seen tith come out that was once deemed a conspiracy. Many things come out and apologies or witnesses are vindicated. Its usually after people involved have died though! Oh, and they do call each other out. Its all about gaining Control. Many celebs have tried to tell us, musicians and tried to get out. Stories about selling their soul (its not yours to give so your actions seal your fate not an actual exchange). Some are mad like m and m who did not go up further and now stuck At his
status. Now he is realizing he is just a puppet. So many of these people are willing to do this like madonna. Watch performances. Ever wonder why pyramids and the evil eye of horus (satan) is always shown and the grounds checkered Black and White in film and t.v? Its not a coincidence. People are praising satan in front of you and you cheer...they perform Black magic on stage and people buy into it as a Performance...no. Its not. Look At music videos and photos. Same poses. Hand over chest one hand up, covering eye, makeup on one eye,, look At money, statue of liberty, people come on. Look around. Research. Pay attention to whats halpening to you and you allow it...be smart, keep each other safe. Question more and do not stay blind or you are just part of the problem and a slave.
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