Odd That Microsoft Demands Google Take Down Links That Remain In Bing
from the how-about-that... dept
We just wrote about Google's very cool, new copyright transparency tool, which lets you dig into the details of all the search takedowns that Google gets. As people start to play around with the site, some interesting things are coming to light. Lots of people noticed that the number one copyright holder requesting takedowns from Google search was... Microsoft. While some have suggested this is an attempt by a competitor to worsen Google's search rankings, that's difficult to believe for a variety of reasons. If Microsoft were issuing bogus takedowns, that would certainly come to light pretty quickly.However, what is interesting is that you can use the new system to play around and notice that Microsoft doesn't always seem to take down from its search engine, Bing, the same links that it orders Google to takedown. As we noted in our original post, there's been plenty of talk suggesting that Google isn't fast enough in taking down things upon DMCA request, but the company claims that they average less than 11 hours -- and considering that they're processing over 1 million takedowns per month (and are checking them by hand), that's pretty impressive. How long does it take Microsoft to take content down?
Well, you would think that if Microsoft is sending a takedown notice to Google to remove a site from its search engine, that it's almost certainly letting Bing know to remove it too, right? Why wouldn't it. But if you do some digging, you can find sites that Microsoft has ordered taken down from Google, but which are still available via Bing. Here's just one example. If you look through Google's transparency report, there's a specific search takedown request that was filed on May 11, so not too long ago. You can see the full ChillingEffects notice here as well. The takedown was sent, on behalf of Microsoft, by a company called Marketly, who appears to send a large number of takedowns, according to the Google data. In this case, Marketly had sent a takedown to Google demanding the removal of a bunch of URLs from its index concerning a variety of XBox 360 games, including DiRT 2. The 20th URL listed goes to a page on TorrentRoom.
Now, if you take that URL and put it into Google and Bing, you get two very different responses. First, there's Google:
This would suggest that, either Marketly and Microsoft decide to leave up certain infringing content on Microsoft's own search engine while taking it down from Google... or that Microsoft certainly isn't that fast at doing removals. And yet, why don't we hear the people who always bitch about Google complaining about Microsoft?
Of course, the data is also revealing some other interesting "issues" with Microsoft's takedowns. Kurt Opsahl, for example, noticed that Microsoft sent Google a takedown, you can view here, which claims that previous takedown notices, also from Microsoft, are in fact, infringing. This one was also sent by "Marketly" and suggests that they don't do much research to make sure the sites are legitimately infringing before issuing takedowns.
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They always are screaming how Google needs to do more, spend more, more more more for them... but one of the largest takedown submitters seems to have forgotten they have their own search engine.
Of course it can't be because they are being slow, so that people will migrate to Bing to find things that were Google wiped. That would be so hypocritical and highlight that the process is a complete and total joke.
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The hard part would be knowing the actual person behind the keyboard, but there is some pretty interesting tech out there and even better stuff on the horizon (using analysis methods) that will with a high degree of certainty allow a company or investigator to fairly accurately tell who is using a computer. Sort of like criminal profiling techniques. Couple that with the fact that your IP can be tracked (even if you try to mask it through a proxy) and one of these days, it will be nothing for companies like Google to determine with relative ease who you are, where you are and where you've been on the internet.
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Pay Google to get information that Google does not offer...
Searching for information isn't a crime.
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bad wrong
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Anyone
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bad wrong
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Badong
Yes. Sharing is Badong
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Oh wait:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/02/google-catches-bing-copying-microsoft-s ays-so-what/
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BTW, can anyone name some good alternative search engines to the Google/Yahoo/Bing trifecta of censorship?
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It's a good secure browser
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Response to: Michael on May 25th, 2012 @ 5:14am
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From a privacy and interface point of view miles ahead
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/s but still............... :)
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tracking
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Actually... anytime I go to pirate Microsoft software from now on, I'm now going to do both Bing and Google searches. If I can find something that Google has removed due to a complaint by Microsoft, and that same result is still available in Bing, I'll document it and download it.
If Microsoft decides to sue me, I'll point this out. Since it appears that Microsoft's search engine is directing people to downloads of Microsoft's product, it is a reasonable assumption that Microsoft is supporting the distribution of their software via that means.
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Therefore, any notices I get about downloading infringing content will be sent back with a picture of a middle finger.
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According to what I read, WebFerret is a search robot which you can run from your computer. But maybe it still gets all its results from search engines. I don't know the particulars.
If ever there's going to be decentralized web search functionality, now's the time for willing parties to take a shot at it. We can ill-afford to depend on one or two sites to filter through all content.
BTW, thanks guys for posting those alternative search engines.
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I don't need to do it on my own - we can all gang together...
http://yacy.net/en/
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Don't look at the man behind the curtain!
Not only is it illegal to look at stuff that they broadcast over the public airwaves, and illegal to point to where you can find it, it is now illegal to know anything about the previous two [CENSORED].
I know it's true. I read it in the DMCA.
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dont do what i do, do what i say?
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what's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander?
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the old 'claim your posts' thing is no longer about it seems?
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Cached links from Google in Bing?
Wouldn't that be rich irony!
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:-)
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WOw
Privacy-Nerds.tk
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Permission
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I like google, but bing aint that bad a tool, just dont trust the people running it is all
Dont blame the tool
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I like google, not as much used to though, but bing aint that bad a tool, just dont trust the people running it is all
Dont blame the tool, blame the people missusing it
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That's a good point actually... So since an 'official' Microsoft site is in fact pointing us there...
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Yes, another interesting thought - which would possibly be a violation of Google's terms of use. Assuming they are scraping it - they are indeed using it then.
This might make for a very interesting experiment with these take downs - I wonder if it will still be there in a couple days... on bing.
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Ill tell you one thing, when bing starts to take down the same links that google are forced to take down, and i start noticing the same "empty internet effect" im noticing on google, over these recent times, gues what, i wont be using bing anymore........
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"If the king does not lead, how can he expect his subordinates to follow?"
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what? maybe they are like everyone else who didn't know it existed. quick research... google 'largest takedown submitters google' response 'microsoft' google 'microsoft search engine' response 'bing' ... whats this 'bing' thing? To those around me .. no response... never heard of it, never used it. great links to software, you need to try it! can I get an app for that?
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Every resource should be diverted untill this "piracy" *spits* is sorted out, then we can concentrate on the smaller, less important things, like murder, no wait, jay walking, yeah jay walking, my bad, jay walking is almost as distructive as murder.....no wait i mean piracy........no wait, no, yeah i mean piracy.....is that what i mean????
And the rrrrrealy small matters such as government corruption, well, theres no harm done, its not hurting anyone in a physical sense..........not unlike piracy
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Microsoft slow or non-responsive??
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Microsoft should sue bing and reward themselves millions
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Speaks volumes
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I hope none, because if they are, then they've become extremely good at covering their tracks, i mean they've potentially had a long time to practice
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Thats BS
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Oh but remember why they're in business???
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Microsloth!
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Huh?
Microsoft owns a search engine?!?
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Its true
I dont think ms want to take results from bing cause the don't have many results to begin with.
Anyway, if you are looking for pirated software, BING is the way to go. Esp if you want android pirated software. Bing seems to high light that because they don't want to show the official google play properties.
Anyway (again), ms is will be gone within a few years.
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bing vs. google
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